How many non-irish in Galway?

snubbleste

Was listening to a report there on Rte Radio 1, the reporter stated in a piece on the Polish saturday school, that there 11,000 polish nationals in galway. Is this really true?

biko

When you title it non-Irish, do you only mean Polish? Since the 2006 census is before the crash I hazard there are much less Polish here now.
Numbers (general non-Irish) below from 2007, also before the crash.

Wednesday, 18 July 2007 **
New figures released by the Central Statistics Office have revealed that Galway city and county has the second-highest percentage of non-Irish nationals in Ireland, at 10.7 per cent.
However the huge non-Irish population of Gort, where half the population are non-Irish nationals, has skewed the county Galway figures. Over 80 per cent (83.3%) of Gort's non-Irish population is Brazilian - almost 900 people.

According to John Moylan, Chairperson of Gort Chamber of Commerce, Gort's Brazilian population has integrated very well "from a cultural, working and business perspective", with many of them having settled in the town now running their own business and providing fresh employment opportunities.
The population of Galway city, according to the figures, is 65,832, while the county has 143,245 inhabitants.

In the year before the census was taken, Galway city and county attracted 4,953 new residents from other areas in Ireland, with 1,252 of these coming from Dublin city or county.

mega man

its possible. i was in a doel office in the midlands yesterday. while i was waiting for my ticket to be called i counted 9 polish/eastern europeans people out of 14.

snubbleste

My question is in relation to the all non-irish population

The journalist referred specifically to the polish numbers in galway and said 11,000 which I think is too high, wonder where she got the statistic from or is it sloppy journalism again?

mega man

how hard is it to count all the polish/foreigners in ireland. all they have to do is check the pps system. we never seem to get any solid facts regarding them.

Xiney

If she meant 11 000 Polish nationals in the County then it works out pretty well:

2006 population of Galway county was 231 035 (wikipedia)

It's entirely possible that 11 000 of those were polish - that's under 5%. If 10% of Galway's population is made up of foreign nationals (as per previous post) that means half of the foreign nationals are polish, which in my experience seems pretty much on the money.

Xiney

mega man wrote: »

how hard is it to count all the polish/foreigners in ireland. all they have to do is check the pps system. we never seem to get any solid facts regarding them.

Just because someone has a PPS number doesn't mean they currently reside in the country though.

snubbleste

mega man wrote: »

how hard is it to count all the polish/foreigners in ireland. all they have to do is check the pps system. we never seem to get any solid facts regarding them.

PPS numbers issued by nationality are publicly available on www.welfare.ie That does not tell us how many of those people left the country or where in Ireland they are living.

AmazingMan

i thought the numbers of immigrants was in decline

mega man

snubbleste wrote: »

PPS numbers issued by nationality are publicly available on www.welfare.ie That does not tell us how many of those people left the country or where in Ireland they are living.

yes but wont it tell you how many are employed or are on the doel?

soundbyte

Census06 showed around 10,000 people in Galway from Slavic countries. No link, just remember reading it when Krcma in Salthill opened.

kinetic

A piece on Rte news today clearly stated that there are 11000 polish people living in galway city.

gaeilgegrinds

Entirely possible. I know LOADS of Polish families. Have many coming to my school, loads of neighbours too. That school is in Mervue Primary, have spoken to some of the teachers, very well run.

ronnie3585

Tuuk err jerbs!!

happyoutscan

I have a family that may be Iberian next to me, a Polish couple directly across the road as well as one a couple doors down, a Nigerian family also across the road and next to them an Arab family with the rest Irish as far as I know (we have a friendly neighborhood without really knowing each other if that makes any sense). All the kids are friendly and they all play together without any prejudice, the way it should be and hopefully will be.

Personally I think it is brilliant, my own feeling is and always will be that irregardless of any presumptions of 'foreigners' taking jobs, the working man should never be thought of as anything other than that. A working man looking after his family, wherever he is from, is doing the best he can for his family. Can't fault that.

inisboffin

And I wonder if the 'non Irish' is used to include English/Scottish/Welsh? That would shift the number way more?

If so, wouldn't the figures be WAY higher? Ton of English settled in Galway, and have been here for yeears. Half the people outside Neachtains in fact...they're everywhere!:p

Mrs OBumble

I have an Irish passport.

But I wasn't born here, didn't come here 'til I was 40, and have a foreign accent.

Am I Irish or non-Irish?

What about my friend Naimh (name changed to protect the innocent): she was born elsewhere in the EU but came here as a baby (one parent Irish, one not). Educated here. Lived here most of her life. Lovely Galway accent. But never got an Irish passport (why bother paying for two, when the one from the other EU country did the job?).

Simple .... nope!

inisboffin

Yep, not so simple. I assume they'd base it on Citizenship (birth cert or nationalised/passport), but they may base it on those with permanent resident status.

siltirocker

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Tuuk err jerbs!!

Day DUCK ERR DERBS!!!!!!:p

civis_liberalis

snubbleste wrote: »

PPS numbers issued by nationality are publicly available on www.welfare.ie That does not tell us how many of those people left the country or where in Ireland they are living.

It doesn't tell us how many are "living" in Ireland either. :rolleyes:

Fuinseog

how many galwegians i.e born and bred are in galway. precious few I would say.
galway seems to be quite open to foreigners. even dubliners are treated like normal people in the city of the tribes.

Xiney

Further to Just Mary - in a year I'll be eligible to apply for Irish citizenship on the basis of naturalization. I'm not Irish either - I don't even have Irish ancestry.

So it's really not simple.

mega man

Fuinseog wrote: »

how many galwegians i.e born and bred are in galway. precious few I would say.
galway seems to be quite open to foreigners. even dubliners are treated like normal people in the city of the tribes.

how are people from the travelling community treated in galway?

AmazingMan

galway isn't really irish though is it, i would describe it as faux-irish or irish-for-tourists or a little irish theme park for american tourists etc.

Robbo

siltirocker wrote: »

Day DUCK ERR DERBS!!!!!!:p

COCK A DOODLE DO!!!

Fuinseog wrote: »

how many galwegians i.e born and bred are in galway. precious few I would say.
galway seems to be quite open to foreigners. even dubliners are treated like normal people in the city of the tribes.

It's the economic migrants from Mayo who are the worst. If it weren't for the Pee Flynn Expressway, you could be forgiven for thinking that no one let them know the famine ended.

inisboffin

AmazingMan wrote: »

galway isn't really irish though is it, i would describe it as faux-irish or irish-for-tourists or a little irish theme park for american tourists etc.

Would you like steak, or are are you vegetarian?

Fuinseog

AmazingMan wrote: »

galway isn't really irish though is it, i would describe it as faux-irish or irish-for-tourists or a little irish theme park for american tourists etc.

true it's not irish at all. sure didn't they used to have city walls to keep paddy and ilk out of the town. a british outpost on the edge of the world

Fuinseog

mega man wrote: »

how are people from the travelling community treated in galway?

like the negra, but there is no smoke without fire.

galah

Xiney wrote: »

Further to Just Mary - in a year I'll be eligible to apply for Irish citizenship on the basis of naturalization. I'm not Irish either - I don't even have Irish ancestry.

So it's really not simple.

same here - here 8 years (in my own right), married to an Irish man (on top of that), could easily apply for and get an Irish passport - but can't be arsed paying close to 1 k for it...I can safely say that Galway and Ireland are my home, I'm settled here, and am plannign to stay and raise a family. But technically, for the statistics, I'll still be a foreigner...

Fuinseog

galah wrote: »

same here - here 8 years (in my own right), married to an Irish man (on top of that), could easily apply for and get an Irish passport - but can't be arsed paying close to 1 k for it...I can safely say that Galway and Ireland are my home, I'm settled here, and am plannign to stay and raise a family. But technically, for the statistics, I'll still be a foreigner...

i wouldn't lose any sleep over it. sure st. patrick was a foreigner.

irishvamp90

How the hell does Gort have so many people from brazil?And are they all legal?

Fuinseog

irishvamp90 wrote: »

How the hell does Gort have so many people from brazil?And are they all legal?

how the hell does America have so many Irish? and are they all legal?

Robbo

irishvamp90 wrote: »

How the hell does Gort have so many people from brazil?And are they all legal?

They were recruited to work in a meat plant which is no longer there. I believe the vast majority are bona fide.

ukgalwaymcguire

Fuinseog wrote: »

like the negra, but there is no smoke without fire.

Define Negra?????

Fuinseog

ukgalwaymcguire wrote: »

Define Negra?????

negro

ukgalwaymcguire

Fuinseog wrote: »

negro

racist and ignorant.. your exactly why im going into town to voice my opinion 2morrow, galway needs to wake up.. these terms are racist
negra, negro, coloured, and half caste are all slaves terms and i would love too see anyone of you say them in my ear shot to my daughters (who are mixed race/bi racial) because i would really tell you about yourselves.

to the op.. apologies for making this statement within your post but i will not stand for racists.

Fuinseog

ukgalwaymcguire wrote: »

racist and ignorant.. your exactly why im going into town to voice my opinion 2morrow, galway needs to wake up.. these terms are racist
negra, negro, coloured, and half caste are all slaves terms and i would love too see anyone of you say them in my ear shot to my daughters (who are mixed race/bi racial) because i would really tell you about yourselves.

to the op.. apologies for making this statement within your post but i will not stand for racists.

thats a tad OTT don't you think? unless you have a pernament chip on your shoulder.
negro is simply another word for black. what would you prefer to be called?
in any case this doesn't concern our hypersensitive self. the question was 'how are the travellers treated and i said like the negra'.
this was an inappropraite comparsion. galwegains are afraid of blacks, afraid that they wil be called racist. this is less the case with travellers. there is genuine discrimmination against travellers, while this is less the case with blacks who love nothing better than to play the case card, brilliantlt satirised by Ali G "is it because I is black?"

BTW whatmarch is on today?

Mrs OBumble

Fuinseog wrote: »

negro is simply another word for black.

Many of the people who it refers to don't see it that way. They see it as utterly and extremely offensive, and it could be dangerous to your health to use it in front of them.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Politeness would generally dictate that one refer to people as they refer to themselves, or rather, would prefer to be referred.

Fuinseog

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Politeness would generally dictate that one refer to people as they refer to themselves, or rather, would prefer to be referred.

if i accept this then i should use the term ******. don't they refer to themselves as such, ast least in their rap songs?
how do they refer to themselves? they are not afro americans. they are not africans because they probably have a british/irish passport.
so waht is the 'correct' PC term?

PopeBuckfastXVI

Anything that doesn't offend someone is a correct term to use.

It's common decency, not political correctness.

padraig71

Fuinseog wrote: »

if i accept this then i should use the term ******. don't they refer to themselves as such, ast least in their rap songs?
how do they refer to themselves? they are not afro americans. they are not africans because they probably have a british/irish passport.
so waht is the 'correct' PC term?

Generalising about black people from rap music?! I suppose they are all gun-toting homophobic misogynists who talk endless ****e about bling and hos as well?

If someone holds an Irish or British passport then surely they are Irish or British? Therefore if you are talking about black people from of those nationalities wouldn't they simply be called black Irish or black British?

Nationality and racial origin/colour are entirely separate. People have been moving and mingling about the world for far too many centuries to pretend otherwise.

biko

Everyone but Fuinseog in particular.
This thread was on number of non-Irish in Galway and you've taken it way off-topic. Either back on track or this thread is doomed. I'm sure Pope is itching for his first ban.

Robbo

Magnus wrote: »

I'm sure Pope is itching for his first ban.

Excommunication, surely?

AmazingMan

Magnus wrote: »

Everyone but Fuinseog in particular.
This thread was on number of non-Irish in Galway and you've taken it way off-topic. Either back on track or this thread is doomed. I'm sure Pope is itching for his first ban.

if he is banned for using the word "negra" then 'fraid to say but this place has gone well and truly bonkers

oh cripes, am i in trouble now for using a derogatory term that may offend those with some kind of mental illness

as far as I am concerned, intent is everything and fuinseog has absolutely no intention to make a racial slur and exhibits absolutely no signs of being a racist so perhaps it would be advisable to ease down on the pc mania guys - and yes i'm off topic, apologies!

JohnCleary

JustMary wrote: »

didn't come here 'til I was 40

You're that old? :eek: No wonder you're a cranky b1tch :pac:

I joke, I joke... yer lovely altogether!

JohnCleary

ukgalwaymcguire wrote: »

racist and ignorant.. your exactly why im going into town to voice my opinion 2morrow, galway needs to wake up.. these terms are racist
negra, negro, coloured, and half caste are all slaves terms and i would love too see anyone of you say them in my ear shot to my daughters (who are mixed race/bi racial) because i would really tell you about yourselves.

to the op.. apologies for making this statement within your post but i will not stand for racists.

I already know enough about myself tbh

If I ever meet you, i'm gonna say all of the above words and let you rant on and 'let me know about myself' - Unfortunately for you i'll be wearing 3M ear-plugs :pac:

PopeBuckfastXVI

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