Religious Hypocrisy

Hellm0

This article I feel exposes a huge degree of hypocrisy on behalf of the catholic church. Now I'm all for generosity and such, I would rarely practice it myself I'll admit, but does the church not have money of its own it could be sending to these poor people? Something tells me cardinal Seán Brady has yet to see the sharp end of this recession, perhaps his time would be better spent convincing his masters in Rome to sell a few gold chalices or something to make up the shortfall.

Same with this dunce.
Call me crazy, but why should the state subsidize the indoctrination of helpless children into ANY religion? If funding has become such a problem, perhaps they should ask for some from their hedge fund buddies

Anyone?

krudler

The catholic church is one of the biggest moneymaking corporations on the planet, it could end 3rd world hunger with its vast wealth, but its more intent on keeping people fearing its boogeyman god and convincing us it knows everything about marriage when most of its members are celibate kiddy fiddlers

g5fd6ow0hseima

worse are the stupid cunts who believe in their teachings.

The_Kew_Tour

Was in Rome last year and all and now dont get me wrong the Vatician is an unreal place but I say if they lost only third of that they solve starvation across he world ya know but they dont.

I used to have quite a big amount of faith but have lost it all pretty much now. Its pity in way but you look around the worlds and see people suffer the way they do its hard to understand.

Im not bad person I always help out others and will continue to do so and if there is a god and he says im not entering the gates because i have not prayed to him well i dont want go then anyway

krudler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


Everyone should listen to this man

zonEEE

here we go again......

strongr

strongr wrote: »

here we go again......

More of these threads the better.. Drill the ridiculousness off the catholic church into peoples heads. Get rid of what was beat into us at children.

jumpguy

Deleted User wrote: »

More of these threads the better.. Drill the ridiculousness off the catholic church into peoples heads. Get rid of what was beat into us at children.

If that doesn't sound like propaganda I dunno what does.

The choice is down to the people, what they feel, what they choose to believe. Atheists seem to have a serious superiority complex imo.

That said, I don't like the Catholic Church. It has a past that is hardly forgiveable, even though it's distant, has been corrupt so much. But if Christian values are beliefs are being questioned...

The_Minister

In practical terms most of the Vatican's holding are in land and art, and cannot be liquefied without seriously damaging the church itself (the church can't really sell the Vatican).

It also has to pay the wages of all the clergy, and the maintenance of all its buildings and art, which absorbs most of its money.

Despite this, the church is one of the biggest charities in the world, and spends over a billion a year in the third world, feeding people, and providing education and healthcare.

Latchy

The_Minister wrote: »

Despite this, the church is one of the biggest charities in the world, and spends over a billion a year in the third world, feeding people, and providing education and healthcare.

'' suffer little children who come onto me '' And so it should .

brendansmith

I love god but i hate the church.
So to get back at them I make up my own prayers. Check this one:

Jesus, You are divine.
No doubt about it.
Its a given.
Bless my family and friends.
Drop a love bomb on those bitches.
Thats right, really get your love into those places where other gods just dont reach.
That is all lord.
Over and Out
Peace!

What you think?

krudler

Despite this, the church is one of the biggest charities in the world, and spends over a billion a year in the third world, feeding people, and providing education and healthcare.

It also claims condoms attribute to the spread of aids, and tries to preach family morals when the people involved in it have zero basis for this as they're celibate (well most of them are)

The_Kew_Tour

brendansmith wrote: »

I love god but i hate the church.
So to get back at them I make up my own prayers. Check this one:

Jesus, You are divine.
No doubt about it.
Its a given.
Bless my family and friends.
Drop a love bomb on those bitches.
Thats right, really get your love into those places where other gods just dont reach.
That is all lord.
Over and Out
Peace!

What you think?

your going heaven.. simple as:D

philologos

Hellm0 wrote: »

This article I feel exposes a huge degree of hypocrisy on behalf of the catholic church. Now I'm all for generosity and such, I would rarely practice it myself I'll admit, but does the church not have money of its own it could be sending to these poor people? Something tells me cardinal Seán Brady has yet to see the sharp end of this recession, perhaps his time would be better spent convincing his masters in Rome to sell a few gold chalices or something to make up the shortfall.

As far as I know the Vatican does contribute to overseas aid. Although, as an outsider to the Catholic Church, I do think that the Government should maintain the percent they give overseas in aid. Christian Aid, and other NGO's have harshly criticised the Government for this move, and it will mean they will have to up the ante in terms of collecting from individuals.

Hellm0 wrote: »

Same with this dunce.
Call me crazy, but why should the state subsidize the indoctrination of helpless children into ANY religion? If funding has become such a problem, perhaps they should ask for some from their hedge fund buddies

Anyone?

A lot of people don't agree with you on this one. I personally don't agree with funding Protestant secondary schools any more because firstly, most of them are private and charge fees, secondly, the reasoning behind allowing the funding was because Protestants weren't able to find places in public schools. This is no longer the case.

As for "indoctrination". I believe there is a difference in teaching people about Christianity, and in teaching people to develop faith than drilling it in peoples skulls.

Most people in Ireland aren't as vehemently anti-theist as you, and hence they recognise the role of faith in education.

Riddle101

Ah here we go again. Let's just end the thread now while we all still have out dignity because there is no way anyone is going to go away from this looking like a million bucks. It's been done countless times, and the fact of the matter is. Opinions are opinions at the end of the day. People choose what they want to believe in and no one should tell them any differently. At the end of the day, no one is going to be changed, people are still going to believe what they want. I just hope this post make some sense to some posters.

goingpostal

jumpguy wrote: »

. Atheists seem to have a serious superiority complex imo.

...

Maybe they seem to have a superiority complex because they are right.

ScumLord

adrian280582 wrote: »

Was in Rome last year and all and now dont get me wrong the Vatician is an unreal place but I say if they lost only third of that they solve starvation across he world ya know but they dont.

The_Minister wrote: »

In practical terms most of the Vatican's holding are in land and art, and cannot be liquefied without seriously damaging the church itself (the church can't really sell the Vatican).

It also has to pay the wages of all the clergy, and the maintenance of all its buildings and art, which absorbs most of its money.

I don't think Vatican city should ever be pillaged by private collectors and sold off across the world to try and fix a perceived money problem. Whatever about the religious aspects it's still a fantastic human endeavor. It's an amasing place, the art and architecture is a great example of what people can achieve in they're own right when they believe in it.

Terry

Riddle101 wrote: »

Ah here we go again. Let's just end the thread now while we all still have out dignity because there is no way anyone is going to go away from this looking like a million bucks. It's been done countless times, and the fact of the matter is. Opinions are opinions at the end of the day. People choose what they want to believe in and no one should tell them any differently. At the end of the day, no one is going to be changed, people are still going to believe what they want. I just hope this post make some sense to some posters.

Liverpool played against Man. Utd on Sunday.

jumpguy

goingpostal wrote: »

Maybe they seem to have a superiority complex because they are right.

An extraordinary and compelling argument. :rolleyes:

brendansmith

jumpguy wrote: »

An extraordinary and compelling argument. :rolleyes:

Dont worry jumpguy we will be the ones laughing when we are in heaven drinking Tequila and eating worms.

Min

The people own the church.

What are the people doing that are complaining about the church? Being hypocrites?

The church is the biggest provider of education outside of state education in the world.
It is one of the biggest providers of healthcare in the world.
About 26% of HIV/AIDS victims are cared for by the church.
It helps the poor with sustainable living.

If this is religious hypocrisy then more please, I'm sure the people who are complaining about the church aren't selling off their possessions to help the poor but feel they can point at the church (owned by the people).
Then they talk about hypocrisy.

jumpguy

jumpguy wrote: »

If that doesn't sound like propaganda I dunno what does.

The choice is down to the people, what they feel, what they choose to believe. Atheists seem to have a serious superiority complex imo.

That said, I don't like the Catholic Church. It has a past that is hardly forgiveable, even though it's distant, has been corrupt so much. But if Christian values are beliefs are being questioned...

What are you on about? We're baptised at birth and study religion every day from 4 to 17.

That's is not choice.

And that's what I meant when I said "Get rid of what was beat into us as children". You make it sound like we made an informed decision on what religion to follow.

If people were taught about all religions and made their choice in their teens, then religion would be respected alot more than the current situation where you're born into it.

Min

Min wrote: »

The people own the church.

What are the people doing that are complaining about the church? Being hypocrites?

The church is the biggest provider of education outside of state education in the world.
It is one of the biggest providers of healthcare in the world.
About 26% of HIV/AIDS victims are cared for by the church.
It helps the poor with sustainable living.

If this is religious hypocrisy then more please, I'm sure the people who are complaining about the church aren't selling off their possessions to help the poor but feel they can point at the church (owned by the people).
Then they talk about hypocrisy.

All of this is funded by the collection box and an accumulation of wealth over centuries. If we gave as much to charity as we did to the church, there would be same effect.
And as for the Aids comment, the Catholic Church's stance on contraception does more bad than good.

philologos

Deleted User wrote: »

What are you on about? We're baptised at birth and study religion every day from 4 to 17.

Indeed we were. I personally have come to be sceptical about infant baptism although I received one myself, infact I've become sceptical about the entire system of initiation in many mainstream denominations. It could do with reform.

Deleted User wrote: »

That's is not choice.

I disagree with you on the education front, I agree with you on the baptism front.

Let me elaborate on the education front.

What simply happens at primary and secondary school is this, people learn about basic Christian teaching and basic Christian values. Upon growing up people make a crucial decision to either reject Christianity or to continue in it. If you think that you received a comprehensive education of Christianity in primary school you'll most likely be surprised when you come into contact with the Gospels for yourself as an adult.

Deleted User wrote: »

And that's what I meant when I said "Get rid of what was beat into us as children". You make it sound like we made an informed decision on what religion to follow.

If you consider primary education on Christianity to be "beat into" people you really ought to go to North Korea and see how they beat propaganda into people. Ireland has a high regard for freedom of conscience, much higher than most countries in the world.

As for making an informed decision on what religion to follow, I believe I did.

Deleted User wrote: »

If people were taught about all religions and made and informed decision in their teens, then religion would be respected alot more than the current situation where you're born into it.

Hm, I had a broad education on Abrahamic faiths, other religions, and secular ideologies when I was doing my Leaving Cert and my Junior Cert. I was unsure about religion for most of my teenage years until I decided that I wanted to live for Christ when I was 17 years old. I had some difficulties in leaving certain ways of life that I had that didn't conform to Christian teaching behind, but I eventually developed a deep faith.

I agree with you though. Christianity needs to reform itself, we need to change how we do church, how we do baptism, and how we do a lot of other things. Although, this must be done without compromising the Gospel. Such reform should bring us closer to Christian truths rather than further away from them.

The Monkey Pump

Dear Papa-Ratzi,

I have to admit, it was fun whilst it lasted, we really had 'em scared and made a packet. The thing is though, I reckon we took it one step too far when we backed the German fella with the funny 'tache and told them you were infallible. Anyway, I reckon that we cut our losses and feck of to Switzerland. That report in Ireland isn't going to do us any favours - feck, bring back the Romans, they loved that sh1t.

Yours,

Allah.

Gone Drinking

In before God

mikom

The worst I saw was a catholic boy being hit by a car outside a church.
A man ran over to him and said, "Are you ok, would you like me to fetch a priest, my son?"
The boy replied, "can't you see I'm fu<king dying...... Sex is the last thing on my mind."

topper75

Like other posters here, I resented the 'imposition' of hard-to-swallow dogma and nonsensical fables in primary school. One teacher in third class told us a story with a straight face about how the robin got its red breast by pearching on the beam of the cross and some of Our Lord's blood spilt down on its breast from the crown of thorns.:rolleyes: Unofficial Irish catholicism is full of this.

Although my faith in a superior being is intact, my faith in the church as an intercessionary is less so, esp having seen the ludicrous grandeur of the Palais des Papes in Avignon this summer. I have visited Rome but only had 1 weekend and had to leave the Vatican aside for a future visit. I read the gospels now and then to see if I can distill my own truth. It's not easy e.g. I read the story of the loaves and fishes lately and can't come to terms with such a miracle not being recorded in any other source at the time. So the questions continue! The Jesus that makes sense to me right now can be seen in the old Italian movie, Il Vangelo Secondo Matteo, made by a communist atheist no less.

Terry

Gone Drinking wrote: »

In before God

Too late.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62727173&postcount=18

Handsome Bob

krudler wrote: »

The catholic church is one of the biggest moneymaking corporations on the planet, it could end 3rd world hunger with its vast wealth, but its more intent on keeping people fearing its boogeyman god and convincing us it knows everything about marriage when most of its members are celibate kiddy fiddlers

:eek:

Please give me the link to this extroardinary new finding.

Wayne Mushy Raindrop wrote: »

worse are the stupid cunts who believe in their teachings.

I'd rather be around a religious moderate, a stupid **** in your words, than to be around an intolerant bigot. Of course that's not directed at you, I'm speaking generally.

Min

Deleted User wrote: »

All of this is funded by the collection box and an accumulation of wealth over centuries. If we gave as much to charity as we did to the church, there would be same effect.
And as for the Aids comment, the Catholic Church's stance on contraception does more bad than good.

The church is right says Harvard professor when it come to AIDS and condoms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/03/aids_expert_who_defended_the_p.html

ScumLord

I actually think if the Jesus storey has some of the more spectacular elements taken out, (I think the "miracles" where added to the storey to make him into a God) Jesus would make a great anti religion/establishment and anti mob rule storey. He fought against religious dogma and fell victim to an angry mob that didn't have the facts yet judged him anyway. I also think that Christians that still hate Jews because of that one event are being the Jews in that storey.

There are allot of aspects of religion that atheist should be looking to reclaim as part of the human storey.

Terry

LZ5by5 wrote: »

:eek:

Please give me the link to this extroardinary new finding.



I'd rather be around a religious moderate, a stupid **** in your words, than to be around an intolerant bigot. Of course that's not directed at you, I'm speaking generally.

Careful now.

philologos

ScumLord wrote: »

I also think that Christians that still hate Jews because of that one event are being the Jews in that storey.

I'm thankful for the Jewish tradition. Without it we wouldn't have Christianity. Jesus was going to be crucified, the Messiah has to be put to death according to Jewish teaching (Isaiah 53). If Jesus did not die, Jesus wouldn't have been the Messiah.

I feel no need to despise or hate the Jewish people, infact it's anti-Christian to be anti-Semitic if we are to take what Jesus said seriously about not holding others with scorn.

Indeed, Jesus opposed the hypocritical Pharasaic religion of His day, but what Jesus did was to offer people an authentic and a real relationship with God the Father through Him. That's where the appeal for atheists ends. Jesus not only challenged former religious traditions, but encouraged people to find a real relationship with God and to respond to their neighbours in an ethical and just manner.

LZ5by5 wrote:

I'd rather be around a religious moderate, a stupid **** in your words, than to be around an intolerant bigot. Of course that's not directed at you, I'm speaking generally.

I think most of the time you learn more from people who are more balanced than people who are not. This is true for both a secular and a religious outlook.

ShooterSF

jumpguy wrote: »

If that doesn't sound like propaganda I dunno what does.

The choice is down to the people, what they feel, what they choose to believe. Atheists seem to have a serious superiority complex imo.

That said, I don't like the Catholic Church. It has a past that is hardly forgiveable, even though it's distant, has been corrupt so much. But if Christian values are beliefs are being questioned...

Interesting. So say your hypothetical kid turns 18 and takes this cool personality test. A few weeks later their attitude changes and they become a scientologist. You'd be happy for them right? "The choice is down to the people, what they feel, what they choose to believe."

wudangclan

an excellent letter in todays' irish times...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2009/1028/1224257552159.html

TwoShedsJackson

Paging Sam Vimes to this thread for the nth rematch of him vs Jakkass..

wudangclan

Jakkass wrote: »

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. That's where the appeal for atheists ends. Jesus not only challenged former religious traditions, but encouraged people to find a real relationship with God and to respond to their neighbours in an ethical and just manner.



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that's been working out real well for the last 2000 years.:rolleyes: