Mickey Harte out

Burgerman55

its clear he has lost the dressing room and should move on quietly now
like kennelly, he went a step too far trying to sell a few books
kavanagh is one of the best footballers in ireland this decade, he needs to be wrapped in cotton wool, not sneered at in a poorly written and constructed book

a shame as tyrone could possibly have topped up with another all-ireland now
seems to me that next season will prob have to be sacrificed to rebuilding under new mgmt

gerocks

Ah come on now.
Whatever about the team of the decade debate (Kerry btw).
Mickey Harte is manager of the decade.

manutd

gerocks wrote: »

Ah come on now.
Whatever about the team of the decade debate (Kerry btw).
Mickey Harte is manager of the decade.

Harte is manager of the decade, with no qyestions asked.

homerjay2005

this thread made me laugh. Harte is a great man and a class manager at that. have great time for him. he is going nowhere and to call for him out, is madness.

manutd wrote: »

Harte is manager of the decade, with no qyestions asked.

now now now, hang on, hang on. No questions asked?

Harte - 3 all irelands in 7 seasons.
Jack O Connor - 3 all irelands in 4 seasons and 3 national leagues.

They only played against each other once, which tyrone won. surely, Jack O Connor us up there and deserves a bit of credit?

typical

Burgerman55

nobody is saying he is not a great manager
he'll need to move on from tyrone though as a result of his treatment re sean cavanagh
cavanagh and most of the other players have snubbed harte since his book came out
last night on newstalk harte was saying he has nothing to apologise about, he is completely blinkered and should walk away now before this gets messy
i'm sure he'll work with another county in the future, would be perfect for the dubs

Lemlin

Burgerman55 wrote: »

nobody is saying he is not a great manager
he'll need to move on from tyrone though as a result of his treatment re sean cavanagh
cavanagh and most of the other players have snubbed harte since his book came out
last night on newstalk harte was saying he has nothing to apologise about, he is completely blinkered and should walk away now before this gets messy
i'm sure he'll work with another county in the future, would be perfect for the dubs

I must have missed this. What did he say that was so bad?

netwhizkid

Jack O'Connor is clearly the manager of the decade, He managed Kerry to Three NFL victories, and took them to the All-Ireland final in 2004, 2005, 2006 & 2009 winning 2004, 2006, & 2009. Mickey Harte's best repeat performance was a Semi-Final appearance this year and a mediocre Cork team side swiped them. Mickey Harte and the Tyrone are what I call hit and run footballers, they have no consistency and are kept going with easy draws, weak referees and sheer luck.

If Mickey Harte was a great Manager he would have defeated Cork this year and faced Kerry again, in either case he was doomed and Tyrone as a football team are going like Armagh.

Orizio

netwhizkid wrote: »

Jack O'Connor is clearly the manager of the decade, He managed Kerry to Three NFL victories, and took them to the All-Ireland final in 2004, 2005, 2006 & 2009 winning 2004, 2006, & 2009. Mickey Harte's best repeat performance was a Semi-Final appearance this year and a mediocre Cork team side swiped them. Mickey Harte and the Tyrone are what I call hit and run footballers, they have no consistency and are kept going with easy draws, weak referees and sheer luck.

If Mickey Harte was a great Manager he would have defeated Cork this year and faced Kerry again, in either case he was doomed and Tyrone as a football team are going like Armagh.

You really can't help yourself, can you? :rolleyes:

gerocks

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this thread made me laugh. Harte is a great man and a class manager at that. have great time for him. he is going nowhere and to call for him out, is madness.



now now now, hang on, hang on. No questions asked?

Harte - 3 all irelands in 7 seasons.
Jack O Connor - 3 all irelands in 4 seasons and 3 national leagues.

They only played against each other once, which tyrone won. surely, Jack O Connor us up there and deserves a bit of credit?

typical

But Jack is the KERRY manager.
A county steeped in (winning) football tradition.
Mickey Harte took over a county/team that never won anything and transformed them.
I'm from Kerry so there's no way I'm having a dig at Jack to wind anyone up.

Burgerman55

he has basically called sean cavanaghs integrity into question and has pretty much said that playing football for tyrone has become more of a chore than anything else for him
cavanagh asked harte to drop him for the semi cause he "wasn't feeling well"
harte told him to sort his head out and take as much time as he needed
then harte decided to tell all in his new book and has basically stated that many of his big name players have lost the necessary appetite for inter-county football
the camp has been destroyed according to reports and most players want harte out

LeoB

Maybe it is time for Micky Harte to move on. He has given wonderful service to Tyrone football. But maybe also its high time some manager stood up to some of the prima Donnas and dumped some of the s**t stirrers off county panels. Some think they have a divine right to be there. Tyrone are turning out quality players year in year out and Cavenagh is not indespensible maybe its also time for a few others to move on also. Tyrone have a lot of quality coach's in their club scene and quite a few have tasted success with various underage teams, schools and collages. So there could be another "battle of Omagh" yet.

I dont think their is any real debate, Jack O'Connor wins this tussel. I have listened to Harte in a few interviews and he is very interesting to listen to, a real deep thinker who is a lot more down to earth than some thought, me included!!

mfceiling

netwhizkid wrote: »

Jack O'Connor is clearly the manager of the decade, He managed Kerry to Three NFL victories, and took them to the All-Ireland final in 2004, 2005, 2006 & 2009 winning 2004, 2006, & 2009. Mickey Harte's best repeat performance was a Semi-Final appearance this year and a mediocre Cork team side swiped them. Mickey Harte and the Tyrone are what I call hit and run footballers, they have no consistency and are kept going with easy draws, weak referees and sheer luck.

If Mickey Harte was a great Manager he would have defeated Cork this year and faced Kerry again, in either case he was doomed and Tyrone as a football team are going like Armagh.

Yeah Ulster gets easier every year - imagine if we could get a footballing powerhouse like clare or waterford to start the year going instead of derry,armagh or donegal!!
Sheer luck will only get you so far - 3 all irelands (including one where they beat the munster,leinster and ulster champions en route) is not luck.
We know you love kerry and that you believe that no other team could possibly match them but read some of homerjays or DC1990's posts and you will understand that they know what they are talking about!!;)

premierstone

netwhizkid wrote: »

Jack O'Connor is clearly the manager of the decade, He managed Kerry to Three NFL victories, and took them to the All-Ireland final in 2004, 2005, 2006 & 2009 winning 2004, 2006, & 2009. Mickey Harte's best repeat performance was a Semi-Final appearance this year and a mediocre Cork team side swiped them. Mickey Harte and the Tyrone are what I call hit and run footballers, they have no consistency and are kept going with easy draws, weak referees and sheer luck.
If Mickey Harte was a great Manager he would have defeated Cork this year and faced Kerry again, in either case he was doomed and Tyrone as a football team are going like Armagh.

Priceless, seriously you belong on a stage with this kind of material, and if anyone agrees with this assessment of Tyrone football in the noughties then I shudder for the Irish race and humanity as a whole :rolleyes:

bobsy

i think mickey harte is a great manager.when jack o connor is winning he's grand but when things are going against him he's a different kettle of fish.did anyone notice his bahaviour after the 2004 drawn munster football final between limerick and kerry.

Kenteach

Both teams were great teams in their own way, both managers were great managers in their own way. I don't think Tyrone would have achieved all they did without Harte, but I think O'Connors haul is still more impressive, regardless of him probably having better raw materials at his disposal.

About the current debate, book or no book maybe Mickey should move on. 7 years in this day and age is some stint.

shockframe

Kenteach wrote: »

Both teams were great teams in their own way, both managers were great managers in their own way. I don't think Tyrone would have achieved all they did without Harte, but I think O'Connors haul is still more impressive, regardless of him probably having better raw materials at his disposal.

About the current debate, book or no book maybe Mickey should move on. 7 years in this day and age is some stint.

dont agree with that.by that logic brian cody should have left kilkenny some time around 2005/2006.

mickey harte is by far the best manager of the decade.he won 2 under 21 all irelands and 3 seniors.i wouldnt be looking for his resignation.

jack o'connor is a good manager too but his record in all irelands reads wins over terminally flaky all ireland final opposition (cork and mayo).mickey hartes reads wins 3 wins over then reigning all ireland champions(armagh and kerry x2) teams of high standards.

Kenteach

The difference is that Cody is still winning. The 'same old voice' problem that can afflict some teams only really becomes an issue when results start going against them. Thats when the doubts begin, when the rumours start, etc. Believe it or not Cody was under a bit of pressure only a few years back - when they weren't winning. Ok, so after a lean year or two Harte could get Tyrone motoring again, but he'll need all his top players firing all the time. That may be easier said than done from here on in. Cody had a conveyor belt of awesome talent coming through annually, he could keep things fresher for longer. Can't see the same in Tyrone.