Translation for "Orchard"

davedonie

So after 20 odd years the council finally put up a street sign and it has the Irish aswell ofcourse but they have it as tAbhallort. Its not in the dictionary and I always knew Orchard to be Úllard. Tá mearbhall orm.

davedonie

Úllord even, sorry.

An gal gréine

An t-úllghort or an t-úllord are used for the orchard....both masculine.
An abhaill means an apple-tree...feminine.
An abhallghort (also feminine) then is another word for the orchard.
So the council should have omitted the t ..at least.

davedonie

It makes sense now thanks. If you can go from úllghort to úllord then I can see why you might get abhallort from abhallghort, though I get the impression you shouldnt. I didnt know the t is for masculine. The shame. I thought thats what the séimhiú is for.

An gal gréine

The séimhiú does come into it when the noun is feminine.
For example an fhuinneog, an bhó, an chúis.
Masculine nouns... an doras, an punt, an mearbhall.

We were dealing with a noun that began with a vowel so we have
an t-eitealán, an t-údar, an t-anam for the masculine ones and
an oifig, an ubh agus an ócáid for the feminine ones.

davedonie

Thanks so much for taking the time. Whatever about me, I'm suprised the council got it wrong.

Múinteoir

davedonie wrote: »

Whatever about me, I'm suprised the council got it wrong.

Don't be! Irish councils mis-spell the Irish version of placenames all the time! It's quite disgraceful actually. There does seem to be a common official mentality of "It's only Irish, so who cares if it's correct". I'll see if I can grab a few other examples off the internet.

Ceilteach

Have you any citation for an t-abhallghort being feminine? To my mind it'd be masculine as it's the "apple field" as opposed to the "Appletree field".

So iontas na n-iontas the council got one right. Probably to be explained by the law of averages!

katiemaloe

The street I grew up on had Orchard in the name, and the sign had the Irish as ...... an tUlloird.

pog it

actually céard é an scéal with compound words like that- does the gender always go according to the second noun?

Múinteoir

pog it wrote: »

actually céard é an scéal with compound words like that- does the gender always go according to the second noun?

Generally yes, though you will find the odd exception, as always.

An gal gréine

Ceilteach wrote: »

Have you any citation for an t-abhallghort being feminine? To my mind it'd be masculine as it's the "apple field" as opposed to the "Appletree field".

So iontas na n-iontas the council got one right. Probably to be explained by the law of averages!

Tá an ceart agat a Cheilteach, bhí mé ar strae ansin.