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Science experiments

  • 24-10-2009 4:39pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭


    I'm rewriting my science experiment copy (mines a mess :P) but we did it two different ways in 1st and second year so I don't know which way to do it :confused:
    In first year we did planning my activity (I think thats the right way) and of course the method etc and in second year we just wrote out the method.
    What do you write for planning my activity? I'm slightly confused :confused: I really want that 10% so any help is appreciated :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Ahh...back in the day. I did the same as you, and my teacher told me I'd just completely wasted my time. It doesn't matter how messed up and scruffy your experiments are, as long as all the information is there it'll be accepted. Also, there is only a SLIM chance your experiments will be even checked. They usually only check them if your answers don't correspond with what experiments you've ticked. For example, if you've ticked all the experiements, and did **** on the paper and project (as if you put no work in), they'd probably check. This is because any conscientius student would have studied sufficiently for the exam and done all the experiments.

    Also, you ONLY need the mandatory ones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭bluejay14


    Do you not have an experinment book that came with your science book?
    We have and it has all the headings already written out.I think it goes something like : Date
    Title of experiment
    Preparatiion and planning
    -list of apparatus
    -control(if neceaasry)
    -variable (if necessary
    Outline your method
    Labelled diagram
    Risks involved/safety procedures taken
    Observations (e.g. figures taken)
    Conclusion and Evaluation of Resuls
    Comments
    Signature
    Date


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Xx_emma_xX wrote: »
    All we do on our experiments are Aim, Apparatus, Method, Result, Conclusion and of course the diagram...none of that extra variables and safety procedures or preparation...
    I'd be bothered but I think it's just our teacher ticking them off [unless our answers in the papers don't correspond or whatever] and giving us whatever out of 10 for them. We record more than just the mandatorys as well, which means I have more than one lab copy, which gets annoying.
    I'm sure you've been told of the 2 coursework experiments you have to do for the exam, yeah? If not, don't worry they are extremely easy anyways and you will find out soon enough. Anyways on the front of these is a list of all the mandatory experiments, basically all our teacher did was ask us all to open up our experiment notebooks and find each experiment and show it to her and then you tick it off. Its very simple and its hardly what you should be worried about.

    The science test itself is so easy and simplified alot of the stuff that you learn is actually incorrect and you'll be wondering what the hell the JC science course was all about if you end up doing any of the sciences for the LC. I do chem and bio and they are completely different to JC science, biology is more indepth obviously but chemistry makes everything you did for chemistry in the JC look like a total lie because its so simplified.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭Closed ac


    I was going to re-write my Science Exp. copy also.. but I'm not sure if I can be bothered. :p

    I do need to though, it was a hardback copy but the hardback has been ripped off.. :D

    Do you get any marks for it being neat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    DKZ wrote: »
    I was going to re-write my Science Exp. copy also.. but I'm not sure if I can be bothered. :p

    I do need to though, it was a hardback copy but the hardback has been ripped off.. :D

    Do you get any marks for it being neat?
    NO, you get no marks for neatness, just being written up. Seriously, don't waste your time at this, just make sure you have all the mandatory ones written up in some sort of a way, and you're grand.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭Slow Show


    DKZ wrote: »
    I was going to re-write my Science Exp. copy also.. but I'm not sure if I can be bothered. :p

    I do need to though, it was a hardback copy but the hardback has been ripped off.. :D

    Do you get any marks for it being neat?

    Nope, they're not allowed take marks off it for being untidy. As long as you have all the experiments that you've ticked off written out problem, and a diagram drawn you should get full marks.
    I missed 3 mandatorys in Chemistry at the start of First Year...I heard you're only allowed miss a maximum of 3 per subject, so I can't miss anymore [we only have like a few chapters left in Chemistry though] but do you actually lose marks...On the full exam paper for last year that our teacher showed us there was a box for each experiment and the marking scheme said that two marks were to be awarded for each experiment ticked off, so will I lose marks?

    For the sake of 6 marks I don't care, I'm just curious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭Closed ac


    Xx_emma_xX wrote: »
    Nope, they're not allowed take marks off it for being untidy. As long as you have all the experiments that you've ticked off written out problem, and a diagram drawn you should get full marks.
    I missed 3 mandatorys in Chemistry at the start of First Year...I heard you're only allowed miss a maximum of 3 per subject, so I can't miss anymore [we only have like a few chapters left in Chemistry though] but do you actually lose marks...On the full exam paper for last year that our teacher showed us there was a box for each experiment and the marking scheme said that two marks were to be awarded for each experiment ticked off, so will I lose marks?

    For the sake of 6 marks I don't care, I'm just curious.

    My teacher says if we want to get the 10% we need to have all experiments filled in from the three year course?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Evan93


    Its rare for the SEC to check the Science notebooks anyway,and even if your teacher says your not allowed write it up because you werent in, go ahead and write it up, its your exam not theirs. No point in writing out a whole new experiment copy, just make sure you know the experiments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭padocon


    Write up all experiments or you run the risk of 10pc ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Xx_emma_xX wrote: »
    Sugar, seriously?
    I would just write them up but my teacher has an issue with that - she says if you're not there it doesn't count - and she says she'll be checking them off and it is very rare that they get checked by someone from the examination commision or anyting and it will be her who gives us the 10%...
    This annoys me, because I had to study those chapters inside out for my summer test last year without ever having been taught about them and I could do them no problem.
    Well, I know that you use a Liebeg Condenser for Distillation anyway :rolleyes:
    I'd have a major problem if my teacher wouldn't let me do out experiments because I wasn't in on the day. Missing one day shouldn't mess up your marks in an exam like that. TBH, if the time comes and she still wasn't letting you tick it (I suspect your teacher might just be trying to scare ye), I'd be bringing in the parents.

    However, that said, I'm not sure of the SEC guidelines. Your teacher has to sign off a form certifying he/she confirms everything is done as said in the coursework.

    HOWEVER, all is not lost. If you haven't got a mandatory experiment done (well, ticked in the coursework), you may write in a "voluntary" experiment that's on the course to make up for it. You can do this for up to 2 experiments per section, so basically you can miss 2 experiments in chem, biology and physics, and you can still get full marks if you have 2 "voluntary" experiments that are on the course done.


    This is how the experiments are counted from the 2009 marking scheme
    COURSEWORK A

    Count the number of mandatory biology investigations/experiments claimed on page 5 of the Coursework booklet and enter it in the Coursework A grid on the cover page.

    Count the number of mandatory chemistry investigations/experiments claimed on page 6 of the Coursework booklet and enter it in the Coursework A grid on the cover page.

    Count the number of mandatory physics investigations/experiments claimed on page 7 of the Coursework booklet and enter it in the Coursework A grid on the cover page.

    Total the number of investigations / experiments claimed and award 2 marks per investigation / experiment to an amount not exceeding maximum 60 marks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭bluejay14


    it really doesn't matter if they're neat or not, once you have the mandatory experiments done and the information there in some way, shape or form it shoul dbe accepted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭padocon


    The topics for Science Journal are out! I will post them tomorrow!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Evan93


    Xx_emma_xX wrote: »
    Is that actually allowed???


    Yeah, you can do 2 "voluntary experiments" or non-mandatory ones and they can replace 2 mandatory ones from each section. For exapmle in Chmistry if you di not have Distillation exp. done then you can replace it with the order of reactiveness exp. , as far as I know thats not mandatory.


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