Why you shouldn't fly IMC in the mountains

ronnie3585 · 20-10-2009 4:36pm #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

Complete f*cking idiot.:eek:

Steyr · 20-10-2009 5:22pm

:pac: Unreal.

damo · 20-10-2009 5:44pm

****ty pilots.

there are alot of cowboys flying in general aviation....i saw alot of it when i was flying pa28s in florida.

FlutterinBantam · 20-10-2009 6:23pm

Absolutely, almost flew into the cloud lined with stone:eek:

diverdriver · 21-10-2009 9:48am

Just watching the video gave me chills. Many a pilot's last sight on this side of existence is of the hill he didn't think was there.

This is the famous cartoon.

Say, what's that mountain goat doing way up here in a cloud bank.

What's not so funny is that it keeps happening.
The hills of the world are littered with the wrecks of aircraft in the wrong place at the wrong time.

pclancy · 21-10-2009 11:19am

I didnt realise he'd actually clipped the ground and was gobsmacked when I sen the wing damage. They are incredibly lucky to be alive and I hope that muppet isnt flying any more.

Who in there right mind trusts GPS that much to fly blindly with it alone?

Flyer1 · 21-10-2009 11:53am

That pilot should start doing his lotto

jimbis · 21-10-2009 9:02pm

That scarey stuff alright!:eek:

Amature question here but what does IMC mean?:o

Beeker · 21-10-2009 9:11pm

jimbis wrote: »

That scarey stuff alright!:eek:

Amature question here but what does IMC mean?:o

Instrument Met Conditions. In other words visibility zero and you fly using your instruments and not by looking out the window, which would be VMC or visual met conditions.:)

diverdriver · 22-10-2009 3:46pm

IMC conditions don't have to mean zero visibilty just conditions below VFR limits. Generally you fly VFR in VMC. The PIC tried to fly VFR in IMC. If he had any sense they would filed IFR with ATC even when they were in VMC so that when they flew into IMC they wouldn't have hit the mountain. It is definitely better to fly IFR in VMC than to fly VFR in IMC or even fly IFR in IMC. As it is the PIC nearly ended up with a CFIT and as the aircraft obviously has no CVR or FDR it would have been RIP for them all and no one would have known what happened unless the they played it all back on the VCR. I hope that clears it up for everyone.

FlutterinBantam · 22-10-2009 4:20pm

Indeed it does..the PIC was indeed a PrIC who maybe, just maybe, deserved a little touch of the CFIT (into a soft area)

Steyr · 22-10-2009 5:45pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Indeed it does..the PIC was indeed a PrIC who maybe, just maybe, deserved a little touch of the CFIT (into a soft area)

:pac::D:pac:

Pull up!Pull up!

cyrusdvirus · 23-10-2009 6:42am

diverdriver wrote: »

IMC conditions don't have to mean zero visibilty just conditions below VFR limits. Generally you fly VFR in VMC. The PIC tried to fly VFR in IMC. If he had any sense they would filed IFR with ATC even when they were in VMC so that when they flew into IMC they wouldn't have hit the mountain. It is definitely better to fly IFR in VMC than to fly VFR in IMC or even fly IFR in IMC. As it is the PIC nearly ended up with a CFIT and as the aircraft obviously has no CVR or FDR it would have been RIP for them all and no one would have known what happened unless the they played it all back on the VCR. I hope that clears it up for everyone.

Ahh.... the old TLA's......with the odd FLA to throw it out there

Mr Benevolent · 27-10-2009 5:01am

Sweet Zombie Jesus that was close. Morons of the highest order. Flying up a valley using GPS is...

There are no words for it.

pclancy · 27-10-2009 5:49am

FFS that's a of ot TLAs there

ttyl...

Manic Moran · 01-11-2009 3:55pm

Who in there right mind trusts GPS that much to fly blindly with it alone?

I need to go back a chapter or two in my book (I'm only studying for my IFR ticket) but if I recall correctly, the FAA has recently approved GPS as a primary navigation device for intrument flight. The caveat to that is that they will only certify fixed installations, that way they know for sure that the antennae are in the right places and will get the proper signals: Portable devices such as the one in the video are not authorised as a primary device.

Frankly, if I wait a year or two, the IFR Knowledge Exam is liable to be a whole hell of a lot easier. Almost all the ground-based NavAids are going away, leaving just LORAN. GPS is the new king. Pity, I always did find cutting my position with the VOR needle to be a fair bit of fun.

NTM

Dacian · 02-11-2009 3:39pm

Thanks for the explanation of IMC. Now try reading out look the paragraph with all the TLAs and wait for a reaction from a listener!

1) Those guys were really lucky.
2) Those guys are really stupid for having a GPS in an aircraft.
3) Those guys are imbeciles for publising this video showing their idiocy.
4) Those guys should be removed fom the gene pool for their reaction to what happened. At 2.33 on the video you can hear several men laughing as the camera goes close on the smashed wing tip.

Manic Moran · 02-11-2009 8:09pm

Dacian wrote: »

2) Those guys are really stupid for having a GPS in an aircraft.

What's wrong with having a GPS in an aircraft? They're extremely handy and user-friendly. There's quite a product line available now, they're very popular. I never fly cross-country without one.

4) Those guys should be removed fom the gene pool for their reaction to what happened. At 2.33 on the video you can hear several men laughing as the camera goes close on the smashed wing tip.

Laughing about it is a common reaction to a near-fatal incident. Ask any combat veteran.

NTM

Dacian · 03-11-2009 1:18pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

What's wrong with having a GPS in an aircraft? They're extremely handy and user-friendly. There's quite a product line available now, they're very popular. I never fly cross-country without one.

Laughing about it is a common reaction to a near-fatal incident. Ask any combat veteran.

I am assuming that having a GPS could increase the likelihood of the pilots not paying as much attention to the actual instruments....as seems to have happened here. Am not sure, I assume there was a internal altimeter in that cockpit. And if they were flying VFR surely they should have looked at a map and noticed any high ground.

Point taken about the post stress reaction.

hibby · 06-11-2009 11:04pm

Dacian wrote: »

I am assuming that having a GPS could increase the likelihood of the pilots not paying as much attention to the actual instruments....as seems to have happened here.

In my experience, you are correct. I fly with both a handheld and panel-mounted GPS. There is a real risk of over-reliance on the GPS at the expense of "traditional" navigation skills, situational awareness and general lookout. Since I realised this I make a point of turning on the handheld GPS and then putting it away where I can't see it. I navigate using the chart and ground reference, and the GPS is there in case I need it in an emergency.

Am not sure, I assume there was a internal altimeter in that cockpit.

You assume correctly. Every plane has an altimeter, a compass and an airspeed indicator as a minimum legal requirement.

Fishtits · 06-11-2009 11:32pm

The Ruskies flew me around many times with the downstairs Nav (IL76) using a hand held type GPS (must admit he was twisting & typing on the console so I have no idea as to what input the Garmin had)

GPS is fine as long as you understand how it works and know its current degrade/accuracy IMHO.

Why you shouldn't fly IMC in the mountains

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