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Looking to the future

  • 20-10-2009 3:39pm
    #1
    Sony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 301 ✭✭


    :)Hi all,

    After 4 years of waiting , saving etc I have finally been approved to begin my pilot training.

    Being only a year long (14 months to be precise) I have obviously always had concerns about the future or air pilots in particular newly qualified pilots with little or no experience.

    Anyway I was hoping some of you here could give me your genuine (hopefully realistic) opinions on the outlook - also what you think of my chances of finding an airline next year?

    Thanks everyone


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  • #2
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    14 months is pushing it to go from nothing to f-atpl my mate took just under 2 years

    anyway the only gig in town at the moment seems to be Ryanair were you will have to cough up about 5k for a mcc/joc then 27k for a TR have you done your class 1 medical yet?.

    get it done before shelling out money for flight training


  • #3
    cuterob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭cuterob


    i was reading on prune and a lot of people think it will take 5-7 years for improvement in airline industry


  • #4
    diverdriver
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    I have finally been approved to begin my pilot training.
    Who approved you? I take it you're doing an integrated course? Unless it's with PTC which is NOT an integrated course. It's an expensive modular course. Nobody needs to approve you to learn to fly. That's a marketing gimmick to give the impression it's tough to get into.

    In 14 months there will be no jobs for recent graduates with 250 hours. Any jobs that there will be will be filled by the current pool. You should see the stacks of CVs that pour in for any flying job.

    I would suggest you hold off until next year and see if a recovery starts as it probably will elsewhere. Here in Ireland it's liable to get worse, a lot worse. Aer Lingus is shedding jobs and may go down, in fact it's likely, Aer Arann is holding it's own for now, hopefully they hang on. Ryanair will take people but on their own terms. However the Irish economy as a whole is on a serious downward spiral and anything could happen.

    Don't believe the flying school spiel, they need you train with them to stay in business. There are few jobs, most of them abroad for experienced pilots.

    I do think 5 years is a fair assessment. In the past I've known people to take that long to get an airline job after finishing training. It used to be the norm in fact. People instructed part or full time or para dropped or glider towed for years. It's only in recent years that the idea took hold that you could do 14 months in a flying school and then walk into a job with an airline.

    Times have changed again, I'm afraid.


  • #5
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    diverdriver wrote: »
    Who approved you? I take it you're doing an integrated course? Unless it's with PTC which is NOT an integrated course. It's an expensive modular course. Nobody needs to approve you to learn to fly. That's a marketing gimmick to give the impression it's tough to get into.

    In 14 months there will be no jobs for recent graduates with 250 hours. Any jobs that there will be will be filled by the current pool. You should see the stacks of CVs that pour in for any flying job.

    I would suggest you hold off until next year and see if a recovery starts as it probably will elsewhere. Here in Ireland it's liable to get worse, a lot worse. Aer Lingus is shedding jobs and may go down, in fact it's likely, Aer Arann is holding it's own for now, hopefully they hang on. Ryanair will take people but on their own terms. However the Irish economy as a whole is on a serious downward spiral and anything could happen.

    Don't believe the flying school spiel, they need you train with them to stay in business. There are few jobs, most of them abroad for experienced pilots.

    I do think 5 years is a fair assessment. In the past I've known people to take that long to get an airline job after finishing training. It used to be the norm in fact. People instructed part or full time or para dropped or glider towed for years. It's only in recent years that the idea took hold that you could do 14 months in a flying school and then walk into a job with an airline.

    Times have changed again, I'm afraid.
    +1 why spend 100k on a f-atpl when you can get it done for around 65k doing the moduler route which can take 2-3 years to complete and you payg.
    and hopefully by the time your finished training the market will have picked up as driver said dont fall for the marketing spiel that some fto,s use.(train with us and we get you a job). wether you do intergrated/moduler you still get the same licence at the end


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