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Canon 1D Mark IV Announced

  • 20-10-2009 7:35am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭


    Here on Gizmodo
    500x_1dsmarkiv.jpg500x_1dmarkivback.jpg
    500x_1dmarkivtop.jpg

    Expected to be $5,000, nice night time shot video though on the Gizmodo link,

    The Blurb:

    INTRODUCING THE ULTIMATE MULTIMEDIA IMAGING SOLUTION:
    THE NEW CANON EOS-1D MARK IV DIGITAL SLR CAMERA

    The EOS-1D Mark IV Features a Completely Redesigned 45-Point Autofocus System, Fast 10 fps Continuous Shooting, 16-Megapixel Resolution, Outstanding ISO Sensitivity, and Full HD Video Recording at Selectable Frame Rates

    LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., October 20, 2009 – Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging, is proud to introduce the next evolution in the EOS 1D series of cameras: the Canon EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR camera. The EOS-1D Mark IV is a high-speed multimedia performance monster with a 16-megapixel Canon CMOS sensor, Dual DIGIC 4 Imaging Processors, and 14-bit A/D data conversion, all at 10 frames-per-second (fps), with the widest ISO range Canon has produced to date. This new camera also features 1080p Full High-Definition video capture at selectable frame rates packaged in Canon's most rugged and durable professional camera body.

    The crowning achievement of Canon's 1D Mark IV Digital SLR is its new autofocus system that starts with 45 AF points including 39 high-precision cross-type focusing points capable of tracking fast moving athletes or wildlife accurately at speeds up to 10 frames per second. With greater subject detection capability than ever before plus a newly redesigned AI Servo II AF predictive focusing algorithm, the Canon EOS-1D Mark IV camera sets new standards for autofocus performance among professional digital SLRs. Whether shooting for the six o'clock news or the front page, the EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR is the quintessential camera to freeze fast-moving action with high-speed stills or capture stunning HD video with dynamic color and image quality. To accompany the new EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR camera, Canon is also announcing a new accessory, the WFT-E2 II A wireless file transmitter providing photographers with a wide range of professional digital connectivity options.

    "Canon works hard to be the imaging leader in all our business endeavors. This goal has fueled our innovation and R&D efforts to engineer the most advanced autofocus system Canon has ever produced. We are proud to announce the camera that will deliver the ultimate in imaging quality to professionals working in all areas of multimedia imaging, whether it's action photography, photojournalism or HD video and cinematography," stated Yuichi Ishizuka, senior vice president and general manager, Consumer Imaging Group, Canon U.S.A.

    The Canon EOS-1D Mark IV camera will intrigue professional photographers in virtually every category from photojournalism and sports through nature, wedding, portrait and fashion to commercial, industrial and law enforcement. What makes the EOS-1D Mark IV camera different from its predecessors, in addition to numerous focusing system and image quality improvements, is its exceptional Full HD video capture capability. With this new level of functionality, the 1D Mark IV Digital SLR is destined to appeal not only to professional still photographers but also to a diverse market of professional videographers and filmmakers who are looking for exceptional Full HD video quality, amazing low-light performance, outstanding portability and a level of durability unheard of in most HD video cameras in this price range.

    New 45-Point Autofocus System
    The new EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR camera features Canon's most advanced Autofocus system to date. It is equipped with a newly developed 45-point AF sensor featuring 39 high-precision cross-type AF points, and an all new AI Servo II AF mode that gives still photographers the power and performance to track and focus a fast-moving subject at speeds up to 10 frames per second. With more than twice as many cross-type focusing points as the EOS-1D Mark III and a new AF sensor construction that improves performance in low light and with low contrast subjects, the EOS-1D Mark IV has greater subject detection capabilities than any previous EOS model. To complete the range of AF improvements, Canon has developed a new AI Servo II AF predictive focusing algorithm that significantly improves responsiveness and stability by making better decisions on focus tracking in a variety of shooting conditions.

    Amazing High ISO Performance
    Wedding and event photographers shooting in low light without the benefit of a flash can take advantage of Canon's widest ISO range and highest performance ever. The EOS-1D Mark IV camera's ISO speed settings range from 100 up to 12,800 in 1/3 or 1/2 stop increments with ISO Expansion settings of L: 50 for bright light or H1: 25,600, H2: 51,200, and H3: 102,400 for even the most dimly lit situations. Photographers and documentary filmmakers working in available light will be impressed by the low-noise image quality of the 1D Mark IV, capturing amazing still images and video footage even at speed settings as high as ISO 12,800. High ISO, low light still images are further enhanced by Canon's adjustable High ISO Noise Reduction feature, now a default setting in the camera.

    The EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS HD Video Powerhouse
    Over the past year, Canon's EOS HD Video technology has changed the way users capture 1080p HD video and opened new doors for multimedia journalists and Hollywood cinematographers alike with full manual exposure control, selectable frame rates, and interchangeable lenses on some of the largest and most sensitive image sensors on the market. Canon continues this innovation trend with the new EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR with Full HD capture and full manual exposure control, plus selectable frame rates on an all-new APS-H-sized image sensor that's similar in size to a Super 35mm motion picture film frame. The large sensor allows filmmakers to achieve shallow depth-of-field just as cinematographers have traditionally done using much higher-cost motion picture equipment.

    The more than 50 Canon EF lenses compatible with the EOS-1D Mark IV give videographers incredible creative options, including an impressive selection of large-aperture professional L-series primes as well as zoom lenses, macro, Tilt-Shift and Fisheye optics. The Canon EOS-1D Mark IV allows for three video recording resolutions – 1080p Full HD and 720p HD in a 16:9 aspect ratio and Standard Definition (SD) in a 4:3 aspect ratio. The camera will record Full HD at 1920 x 1080 in selectable frame rates of 24p (23.976), 25p, or 30p (29.97); and 720p HD or SD video recording at either 50p or 60p (59.94). SD video can be recorded in either NTSC or PAL standards. Sound is recorded either through the internal monaural microphone or via optional external microphones connected to the stereo microphone input. The camera also provides an in-camera video editing function allowing users to remove the start or ending of a video clip directly in the camera to eliminate unwanted footage and speed up post-production.

    Image Quality and Performance
    The heart of the EOS-1D Mark IV camera's outstanding image quality is a newly developed 16.1-Megapixel CMOS sensor featuring Canon's latest and most advanced proprietary technologies. These technologies include improved photodiode construction to enhance dynamic range and gapless microlenses that are positioned closer to the photodiodes for improved light gathering efficiency. The transmissive quality of the color filter array has been enhanced to improve sensitivity. Canon has also upgraded the sensor circuitry to improve noise reduction before the image data is exported from the CMOS sensor to the rest of the image processing chain.

    With 60 percent more pixels than the EOS-1D Mark III, the EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR employs Dual DIGIC 4 Image Processors with approximately six times the processing power of DIGIC III for full 14-bit A/D conversion at 10 fps. High-speed continuous shooting up to 121 Large JPEGs is possible using a UDMA CF card. This camera also features three RAW shooting modes for versatility with Full RAW (approx. 16 million pixels), M-RAW (approx. nine million pixels), and S-RAW (approx. four million pixels). Three additional JPEG recording formats (M1, M2 and Small) are also available.

    The 14-bit per channel conversion facilitated by the dual DIGIC 4 Processors provides smoother tonalities in final images capturing all 16,384 distinct tones in each channel (red, green and blue) at the full 10 fps frame rate. RAW images shot on the new Canon EOS-1D Mark IV use the entire 14-bit space when converted to 16-bit TIFF files in Canon Digital Photo Professional (DPP) software, which is supplied with the camera at no extra charge. The 14-bit A/D conversion is also the foundation for Canon's Highlight Tone Priority feature that takes maximum advantage of the camera's extensive dynamic range to preserve detail in highlight areas of the image. Canon's new EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR also features an improved white balance algorithm making colors more accurate when shooting under low color temperature light sources such as household tungsten lamps.

    The EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR features Canon's Peripheral Illumination Correction function which corrects darkening that can occur in the corners of images with most lenses when used at their largest apertures. When activated, it is automatically applied to JPEG images and video clips as they are shot. For RAW images, it can be applied in DPP software.

    Other new features include a large three-inch solid structure Clear View II LCD screen with 920,000 dot/VGA resolution and a wide 160-degree viewing angle for enhanced clarity and more precise color when reviewing images and shooting video. The new in-camera copyright information feature helps professionals secure control over images by setting copyright data directly into the camera and appending that information to each image file in the Exif metadata. Additional features include a fluorine coating on the Low Pass Filter to further repel dust and enhance the EOS Integrated Cleaning System.

    Minimize Post-Production with Enhanced Canon Auto Lighting Optimizer
    Action photography truly is all about speed, capturing a fast subject with fast focusing and fast frame rates. However, all this speed might be wasted if it is slowed down by lengthy post-production procedures to adjust image quality. The EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR helps reduce post-production work with a powerful new Auto Lighting Optimizer (ALO) system. When enabled, Canon's ALO automatically adjusts the image for optimal brightness and contrast on the fly during in-camera image processing, reducing clipped highlights while keeping shadowed areas as clear and detailed as they actually appear. By optimizing brightness and contrast in-camera, Canon's ALO system significantly reduces the need for post-production image optimization, and gives photographers image quality they can take directly to press. Demanding professional photographers who tested ALO clearly stated that this one feature will reduce their post-production image optimization process by more than 75 percent. Canon's ALO works with both RAW and JPEG images as well as video recording.

    Rugged Reliability
    Canon has taken every measure to ensure that the EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR camera has the highest degree of weather resistance in the EOS line. The 1D Mark IV camera incorporates a wide range of design features that enhance its durability and reliability for professional assignments. For example, the 1D Mark IV's body, chassis and lens mount are completely weather-resistant and 76 gaskets and seals surround all buttons and seams. The body covers and internal chassis, including the mirror box, are constructed with magnesium-alloy, one of the strongest and rigid metals available for its weight. For added strength, the lens mount is constructed with stainless steel. In fact, when used with Canon's Speedlite 580EX II and/or most current L-series lenses, the entire camera system remains fully weather resistant, so professionals can concentrate on getting the shot instead of worrying about protecting their gear.

    New Wireless Connectivity
    Canon is announcing the availability of the new WFT-E2 II A* wireless file transmitter exclusively for the EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR camera. The WFT-E2 II A wireless transmitter is an extremely small and versatile device that offers professional photographers a wide range of digital connectivity options including IEEE802.11a/b/g and Ethernet, ideal for commercial and studio work. In addition to adding the ability to connect to wireless networks over 802.11a, the new WFT-E2 II A adds a wealth of new professional features to the photographer's tool kit. The new Camera Linking feature allows a single photographer to simultaneously fire up to 10 cameras remotely; and the updated WFT Server mode lets you remotely use Live View, control settings, and fire the EOS-1D Mark IV over the internet from anywhere in the world using a standard Web browser or many Web-enabled smart phones. Additionally, geotagging is now possible via Bluetooth, using compatible GPS devices to append coordinate data to the images.

    Pricing and Availability
    The Canon EOS-1D Mark IV Digital SLR camera is scheduled to be delivered to U.S. dealers in late December, and will be sold in a body-only configuration at an estimated retail price of $4,999.00[ii]. Final pricing and availability for the Canon WFT-E2 II A wireless file transmitter will be available later this year.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    It's official.

    On the Canon official website - http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=19584

    16MP
    jpg, Raw, m-raw, s-raw
    45 AF points
    ISO 100-12800 (expandable to 102400)
    10.0 fps continuous shooting up to 121 Large JPEGS or 28 RAW using a UDMA CF card
    EOS HD movie with manual exposure control and multiple frame rates (1080: 30p (29.97) / 24p (23.976) / 25p, 720: 60p (59.94) / 50p, 480: 60p (59.94) / 50p).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    INTRODUCING THE ULTIMATE MULTIMEDIA IMAGING SOLUTION:
    so.............its not a camera anymore ! :pac:
    ISO Expansion settings of L: 50 for bright light or H1: 25,600, H2: 51,200, and H3: 102,400
    yikes.........:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭trishw78


    for anyone on facebook B&H might be giving one away T&C's I'm sure apply


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    WarehouseExpress are advertising it at £4499 pre-ordered.

    Hmmm, the temptation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Paulw wrote: »
    WarehouseExpress are advertising it at £4499 pre-ordered.

    Hmmm, the temptation.
    1,000 more fans needed!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    I'd still run a compare against the latest Nikon. I liked the look of that slightly more, don't know why.

    I mean if I were going to be spending that much money on a camera, which I won't....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,039 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    trishw78 wrote: »
    for anyone on facebook B&H might be giving one away T&C's I'm sure apply

    B&H?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    pre-release grumblers would point to the fact that there is a smaller sensor with more pixels than the previous version and it does nt have the metering system from the 7D...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭stcstc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭majiktripp


    B&H?

    B&H Photo, New York's biggest Photography store, are contemplating running a competition for a free D3s or 1D Mark IV on Facebook, if they can get enough people to become a fan of their facebook page. Get some publicity going really I guess..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭majiktripp


    stcstc wrote: »

    That "Nocturne" video does look very nice indeed! Shows there's some great possibilities for low light use with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    stcstc wrote: »
    1:35 dedicated to credits in a 4:41 total clip?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    An interesting article from Rob Galbraith on the camera, not complaining about it at all.

    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭stcstc


    one thing you will notice though is a serious crew lineup, editor, colourist, steadycam etc


    so they spent a lot of money on that thing, it aint something that you do in temple bar for 200 euros

    for example if the colourist is any good, they will cost around 3K for a day


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Valentia


    I was in with the Credit Union last week to borrow a few bob for a house extension. Wonder if I could siphon off a few bob without anyone noticing? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭sasar


    Has anyone found a sample photo shot at iso 102k?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Valentia


    Paulw wrote: »
    An interesting article from Rob Galbraith on the camera, not complaining about it at all.

    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310

    Give him time :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭ttcomet


    It looks like a good upgrade if like me you have a Mark2 but I am not sure it offers enough extra to jump from a Mark3. Unless you really want the video (or a working autofocus :) ). The macro parts of the video on the Canon site made it look very tempting.

    I found it interesting that the highest iso shot they had on the site was 3200.

    Edit: Re Galbraith, in the article he states he was not part of the beta testing, probably why he has not found anything to complain about yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    DPReview just posted their info/review of the camera - http://www.dpreview.com/news/0910/09102001canon1d4.asp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    Valentia wrote: »
    I was in with the Credit Union last week to borrow a few bob for a house extension. Wonder if I could siphon off a few bob without anyone noticing? :)

    I'm sure you could. Buy some sub-standard materials from sources of ill-repute and then tell the missus there were overruns. Just have to keep an eye out for the postman :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Perfect fit


    Paulw wrote: »
    DPReview just posted their info/review of the camera - http://www.dpreview.com/news/0910/09102001canon1d4.asp

    haha paul i can tell youve done feck all work today bar red reviews and daydream about this :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    haha paul i can tell youve done feck all work today bar red reviews and daydream about this :P

    That's totally incorrect. I've been in work since 8am, and my first post here about the 1D was 8:41. So, I did a solid 40 min of work. :D

    But, other than that, I'm researching a potentially large purchase, so I'm making sure to read as many reviews as possible. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭MartMax


    so.. who can fulfill my dream, who gonna get the Mark IV and sell their old Mark III at a very heavily discounted price. I'll be in the queue. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    mart_max wrote: »
    who gonna get the Mark IV and sell their old Mark III at a very heavily discounted price.

    Well, I can't think of anyone who will.

    I know I'll be keeping my MkIII, but selling my 40D when I get the MkIV.

    I'd say others will do similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    I was in with the Credit Union last week to borrow a few bob for a camera extension
    ^^ I've corrected your post Valentia :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chorcai


    List Price (body only)
    • £4499 (UK)
    • $4999 (US)
    • € 4599 (EU)

    Live rates at 2009.10.20 11:33:58 UTC
    4,999.00 USD = 3,336.30 EUR

    Buy in the USofA I thinks !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    Chorcai wrote: »
    List Price (body only)
    • £4499 (UK)
    • $4999 (US)
    • € 4599 (EU)

    Live rates at 2009.10.20 11:33:58 UTC
    4,999.00 USD = 3,336.30 EUR

    Buy in the USofA I thinks !

    Might work for amateurs, won't do the job for pros unfortunately, as I presume that (as usual) they have the support localised to whatever region you buy the camera in ? I know Nikon do this, I've heard before that its official canon policy but that people have gotten around it ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Pint


    Perfect amount of MP.

    "You can use high-ISO speeds and noise reduction without worrying about backing up your buffer" Neato.

    "auto lighting optimizer" - faux HDR / fill light

    I'm really interested in seeing how this measures up to the D3s, which looks absolutely b-a-d-a-s-s as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    Might work for amateurs, won't do the job for pros unfortunately, as I presume that (as usual) they have the support localised to whatever region you buy the camera in ? I know Nikon do this, I've heard before that its official canon policy but that people have gotten around it ?

    I've never noticed this with Canon, and I've had my 1D MkIII serviced by Canon (FoC, under warranty) even though I didn't buy in the EU.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭majiktripp


    Paulw wrote: »
    I've never noticed this with Canon, and I've had my 1D MkIII serviced by Canon (FoC, under warranty) even though I didn't buy in the EU.

    Similar situation, G10 sensor issue , repaired under warranty by Canon UK even though was purchased in Thailand. Just had to scan and email copy of the shops receipt (which was in Thai/English).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    Just searching for Nikons warranty terms to confirm ...

    http://www.europe-nikon.com/home/en_GB/local/broad/386/1.html
    Nikon wrote:
    • Warranty for digital product is only valid in the country or region of purchase.

    Googling around a bit, the official line from Canon -does- seem to be similar, depending on where you buy it (there are apparently 'international' warranties issued in the US, but not in Australia for example) but that Canon will in general honour the warranties anyway, probably realising it's bad for business to tell your actual customers to go take a hike (although there are plenty of anecdotes in which they've done just that) ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭ttcomet


    Calumet have a better pre-order bundle then warehouse express it includes a spare battery.

    Must not buy, must not buy, must not buy :P

    edit: Pics at the bottom of this page are supposed to be high iso including 102,400.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    I can honestly say that I've never had need for a 2nd battery for the 1D. You get 3,000 shots per charge.

    But, some nice bundles to encourage you to pre-order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭sasar


    This high iso just seems to be useless...

    iso3200_sc.jpg

    iso102400_sc.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Chorcai


    sasar wrote: »
    This high iso just seems to be useless...

    Make prudy colors :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    the high iso claims is prob just pure bollix!

    I wish they went with a 12mp full frame sensor..


    I think I'll get a 2nd hand 1d mkIII when the price comes down more, Id like a 1ds mkII for IQ and full frame/wide angle advantage but iso 6400 from the 1d mkIII would be usefull for me, and 10fps.


    anyone know how much my 1d mkII might fetch??
    it has paint wear as I use it like its supposed to be(but no drops or heavy abuse), it has just had a new shutter fitted and been serviced by canon, firmware update,sensor clean etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭democrates


    At ISO 102,400 I'm almost certain it's picking up the CMB.
    Those samples from cnet asia look suss, who'd light a test shot like that or use a cheaply printed calendar as the subject?

    @KC check out adverts.ie if you're selling, your boards logon works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭mloc


    When a flagship camera reduces sensor size for the primary purpose of increasing video capability, that is a worry for me.

    It should have been full frame. The ISO claims are pointless, above 12800 it looks fairly unusable anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    mloc wrote: »
    It should have been full frame.

    Why??? Most PJs and sports shooters really don't need FF and want faster fps.

    Yeah, FF would be nice, but I'd trade that for fps any day.

    If you want FF, but a 5D or a 1Ds. Simple as. It's technically very difficult to produce FF and high fps (even Nikon don't do it).

    I really don't trust the high ISO picts posted earlier. I'll wait to get hands on a real model. I'm sure that ISS and such will have a demo model soon to show off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Paulw wrote: »
    It's technically very difficult to produce FF and high fps (even Nikon don't do it).

    not really, its just a matter of data bandwith which is limited by the processor and internal electronics, its not a case of fps, its mp/s

    the bigger mirror has no effect on limiting speed, canon had an 11fps film slr

    nikon have a perfect camera that fits everything you need from a dslr and its full frame.

    the 5d mk1 and mk2 are nice but limited by their autofocus and fps,

    the 1ds line would be great if they could squeeze 7-8fps out of it, but most people that shoot/need high fps dont like to be going thru lots of 20mb files on their computer, 10-12mb means a quicker workflow.

    the biggest load of bullsh1t out there is the so called crop advantage giving you more reach, its just cropping, and the crop cameras have a smaller viewfinder anyway so how exactly is it an advantage? anyone thats gonna be using full frame will prob have good lenses that perform well in the corners also


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭stcstc


    but canon have a full frame pro camera the 1DsMkIII at mo, and bet there will be a MKIV


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    stcstc wrote: »
    but canon have a full frame pro camera the 1DsMkIII at mo, and bet there will be a MKIV

    people want to be able to use wide angle lenses with high fps too, maybe they will boost the fps on the 1ds mkIV, who could possibly need more mp, thats what medium format is for


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    I'd say that the vast majority of 1D users don't want wide and high fps. The vast majority would be sports photographers using long primes. After that it would be PJs, who again, don't need big images for print, but do want the fps.

    There will always be a group who want FF, but the market the 1D is aimed at wouldn't have FF high on their list.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Paulw wrote: »
    I'd say that the vast majority of 1D users don't want wide and high fps. The vast majority would be sports photographers using long primes. After that it would be PJs, who again, don't need big images for print, but do want the fps.

    There will always be a group who want FF, but the market the 1D is aimed at wouldn't have FF high on their list.

    well nikon seems to do well with their d3

    long primes still work on full frame cameras, if you need more reach you can crop the image. if you want the nicer/larger bokeh from full frame you can leave it uncropped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    well nikon seems to do well with their d3

    long primes still work on full frame cameras, if you need more reach you can crop the image. if you want the nicer/larger bokeh from full frame you can leave it uncropped.

    Nikon did well with the D3 because for so many years they churned up sub standard crap to their customers. Who wouldnt be happy with a D3 after a D2xs that even pros who own them give out about.

    OT, the new 1dmk4 doesnt hold anything new for my work and cant see myself upgrading fir a long time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    the biggest load of bullsh1t out there is the so called crop advantage giving you more reach, its just cropping, and the crop cameras have a smaller viewfinder anyway so how exactly is it an advantage? anyone thats gonna be using full frame will prob have good lenses that perform well in the corners also

    You may be right to some extent but lets be honest - the only photographers out there that use the D3 and have the FULL range of lens from wide to 600mm are Sportsfile - and they don't pay a cent for them - so of course they are delighted with lenses that work well in the corners.

    Full frame means longer lenses that most people won't have the full range of unless they win the lotto.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07




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