Ucc Travallers

Beachball guy

Should travallers be allowed to attend university? I ppersonally dont tink so, there extremely disrespectful to the rest of the student population.
What do you guys think? They do come across as quite intimidating?

Nova_era

If they pay their fees/registration, then why should'nt they be?

The Knee Grow

Please read above... Disrespectful to the nines... Sure they're all as mad as a bag of spiders

poetryinmotion

Beachball guy wrote: »

Should travallers be allowed to attend university? I ppersonally dont tink so, there extremely disrespectful to the rest of the student population.
What do you guys think? They do come across as quite intimidating?

Agreed

Beachball guy

Well if i was Batt O'Keefe i would not allow travellers have free fees at all!! What a waste of taxpayers money!

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Also agreed!!
If we lower standards to such extends then where will our society be in 10 years time? Living in BallyBeg thats where!!

Byron85

Beachball guy wrote: »

Should travallers be allowed to attend university? I ppersonally dont tink so, there extremely disrespectful to the rest of the student population.
What do you guys think? They do come across as quite intimidating?

What's disrespectful are comments like that. I find the majority of the student population to be a bunch of disrespectful middle class stereotypes who don't know anything about the world other than their own personal bubble.

I have had a lot of experience with travellers over the years and I have never had a problem with them. The people I have had trouble with are the "normal" joe soaps who find it pertinent to be complete and utter bigoted morons.

estreet girl

I find your comments disgraceful.There are no travellers in my course in Trinity that I am aware of but there is plenty of disruptive bored students in lectures,texting,listening to their i-phones,eating and drinking and talking...yes talking not whispering.The ones who sleep don't affect anyone but themselves but I wonder why do any of them bother.
I am sure there are plenty of travellers out there who would jump at the chance of a third level education.
If there are a few messers nip it in the bud now.
It's your education too.

PhatPiggins

Beachball guy wrote: »

Well if i was Batt O'Keefe i would not allow travellers have free fees at all!! What a waste of taxpayers money!

As opposed to the hundreds/thousands of students who come to college just because its free and they can arse about for a few years at the taxpayers money.

Travellers already get oddles of benefits. Why not offer them the oppertunity to get away from welfare dependacy. Or would you rather we just kept sweeping the problem under the carpet?

deisedude

Beachball guy wrote: »

Should travallers be allowed to attend university? I ppersonally dont tink so, there extremely disrespectful to the rest of the student population.
What do you guys think? They do come across as quite intimidating?

It is quite ironic of you saying certain people shouldn't be allowed in university and then making so many basic errors:rolleyes:

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deisedude wrote: »

It is quite ironic of you saying certain people shouldn't be allowed in university and then making so many basic errors:rolleyes:

This is ridiculous, we are not taking about the persons ability to type on a computer!! Stop trying to correct his errors just for the sake of "being heard", its possibly one of the most annoying things you could do on a forum, "excuse me but you put two p's in personnaly", cop the F**k on!!!

Beachball guy has a valid point here however I do somewhat agree with the noisy people in lecturers having no need to be there either etc., however With the past experieences I have had with "travallers" I would not like to feel intimidated in college, a place of learning.:D:D

O look deisedude i put two e's in experiences above, correct me quick before i meet a swift gramatical death.

ReacherCreature

Beachball guy wrote: »

Should travallers be allowed to attend university? I ppersonally dont tink so, there extremely disrespectful to the rest of the student population.
What do you guys think? They do come across as quite intimidating?

Why not? Have you run into a member of the travelling community while you were in class/library/on campus and had a disrespectul attitude shown towards you? What's your argument for them not being allowed into college? You just need to back up your claims.

Beachball guy wrote: »

Well if i was Batt O'Keefe i would not allow travellers have free fees at all!! What a waste of taxpayers money!

So if you were Batt, who would you allow in?

There could be intelligent members of the travelling community or people who want to learn. The only thing derailing a traveller from entering college is if they think they're not intelligent enough or if they don't have a leaving certificate.

cop the F**k on!!!

Less of that?

Davie89 wrote: »

Beachball guy has a valid point here however I do somewhat agree with the noisy people in lecturers having no need to be there either etc., however With the past experieences I have had with "travallers" I would not like to feel intimidated in college, a place of learning.:D:D

Okay it's acceptable that people could feel intimitdated but just give one of them a chance to learn if they want.

O look deisedude i put two e's in experiences above, correct me quick before i meet a swift gramatical death.

If you're making an argument it's kind of important to have grammar. You wouldn't hand up an essay written entirely in textspeak right?

My point is sure they should be allowed. Just my 2 cents.

deisedude

Davie89 wrote: »

This is ridiculous, we are not taking about the persons ability to type on a computer!! Stop trying to correct his errors just for the sake of "being heard", its possibly one of the most annoying things you could do on a forum, "excuse me but you put two p's in personnaly", cop the F**k on!!!

Beachball guy has a valid point here however I do somewhat agree with the noisy people in lecturers having no need to be there either etc., however With the past experieences I have had with "travallers" I would not like to feel intimidated in college, a place of learning.:D:D

O look deisedude i put two e's in experiences above, correct me quick before i meet a swift gramatical death.

He does not have a valid point. His point is xenophopic/racist. If they meet the entry requirements what right do small minded people like you have saying that they should not be allowed to go to college. I can't believe you are defending his ignorance

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Does he have a valid point?
Well the fact remains your making assumptions, assumptions based on the fact that he came on here and posted a comment which you consider to be "arrogant". Neither you nor I know why the OP posted this, but i doubt very much it is out of pure malice for the travaller community, we still await claims to back up his argument as another poster pointed out.

overexcitedaj

Give me reasons behind your comment. Why would you deny a fellow human the right to an education. There is a small minority of travellers out there that
can be disruptive but most are deceant people and if they want a higher education whats stopping em. This is what i hate about most universities in Ireland.Smug Children that have grown up in the comfort of the celtic tiger having an opinion based on myths heard while at the back of class of something.
Just imo on the matter

dlofnep

What sort of utter vile tripe is this? Why shouldn't they be able to get an education? Should we stop black people from getting an education too? What about people from westmeath? Or how about, people who like their tea milky?

Nonsense. Everyone is entitled to an education to give them an opportunity to better themselves.

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overexcitedaj wrote: »

can be disruptive but most are deceant people and if they want a higher education whats stopping em. This is what i hate about most universities in Ireland.Smug Children that have grown up in the comfort of the celtic tiger having an opinion based on myths heard while at the back of class of something.

I grew up in an inner city area with a single mother, i was by no means " smug " as you call it. And did we ever mention it being a "university wide" discussion, i see no distiction between university and PLC colleges or IT's, your simply making arrogant assumptions, but if you want a reason off me:

About two months ago I was attending a lecture in the boole (4pm lecture) and once it was finished I proceed to leave campus via passing the main SU building. in the amphitheatre where a group of what I would have guessed as being "travallers", now i will admit I could be mistaken on this fact they make not have been, but I would consider myself to be 99% sure they where. They where screaming and shouting at ever girl who walked past making extremely explicit remarks and it was obvious they where making the female student population in the area uncomfortable. I made eye contact with one of them and got a "what the F**k are you lookin at".

There you go, my reasoning behind the argument. And i can already here the next comeback " your making generalisations based on a minority" NO I AM NOT! This is the reality, whilst many may be very capable of excelling in university the fact remains that we as a society are judged by the actions of our minorities, its the way our system works, call it a bad one if you may.
However those girls who where essentially harrassed will have that memory etched into their minds, and it will come flooding back to them when they next meet a group like this.

oldyouth

overexcitedaj wrote: »

Give me reasons behind your comment. Why would you deny a fellow human the right to an education. There is a small minority of travellers out there that can be disruptive but most are deceant people ased on myths heard while at the back of class of something.
Just imo on the matter

You see, this is where people start to disagree in that I personally think that it is the wider travelling community that causes the rift between settled and travelling communities.
I pay my taxes, I pay for my rubbish to be collected, I pay my TV licence, I pay my parking fines, I will face prosecution if I keep my kids away from school, I am also open to prosecution if I keep my children living in sub-standard conditions, I will lose my job if I am convicted of a criminal offence, I receive nothing from the State by way of educational material or resources and yet you ask my sons to have equal..................etc

PhatPiggins

ReacherCreature wrote: »

If you're making an argument it's kind of important to have grammar. You wouldn't hand up an essay written entirely in textspeak right?

My point is sure they should be allowed. Just my 2 cents.

This is your thing isn't it, going from forum to forum correcting grammar.

PhatPiggins

dlofnep wrote: »

What sort of utter vile tripe is this? Why shouldn't they be able to get an education? Should we stop black people from getting an education too? What about people from westmeath? Or how about, people who like their tea milky?

Nonsense. Everyone is entitled to an education to give them an opportunity to better themselves.

Is there really a westmeath or a roscommon for that matter? I always thought people just said they were from there to avoid tax returns. Has anyone ever met someone form roscommon?

deisedude

Davie89 wrote: »

Does he have a valid point?
Well the fact remains your making assumptions, assumptions based on the fact that he came on here and posted a comment which you consider to be "arrogant". Neither you nor I know why the OP posted this, but i doubt very much it is out of pure malice for the travaller community, we still await claims to back up his argument as another poster pointed out.

I'll clarify it again, he doesn't have a valid point. He asked a simple question; should members of the travelling community be allowed attend college? Once they have the pre-requisites for college then yes they should be allowed. It is elitist and discriminatory to say otherwise. It seems to be endemic in Irish society that its ok to have a go at travellers. If it was any other minority that the OP mentioned there would be uproar at such a comment

deisedude

Davie89 wrote: »

About two months ago I was attending a lecture in the boole (4pm lecture) and once it was finished I proceed to leave campus via passing the main SU building. in the amphitheatre where a group of what I would have guessed as being "travallers", now i will admit I could be mistaken on this fact they make not have been, but I would consider myself to be 99% sure they where. They where screaming and shouting at ever girl who walked past making extremely explicit remarks and it was obvious they where making the female student population in the area uncomfortable. I made eye contact with one of them and got a "what the F**k are you lookin at".

There are 2 faults to your argument
1) You have no proof they were travellers.

2)You have no proof they were students at UCC.

Seloth

TBH I never have even heard of a traveler attending University.

As long as they do the work to get in then by all means allow them,but if they didnt do the work then no.

captainspeckle

deisedude wrote: »

It seems to be endemic in Irish society that its ok to have a go at travellers. If it was any other minority that the OP mentioned there would be uproar at such a comment

to be fair though, they do cause a good bit of strife in Irish society.. now not ALL of it, but a sizeable chunk! saying that, if they worked hard enough to get into college and paid reg fees like the rest of us, did their assignments like the rest of us, passed their exams and so on, then yes they should be allowed! its not like the trouble makers will be even bothered trying to get into college anyways, so there isnt really any worries there!

liberal

"No dogs, no Irish"

come on lads, you can't be serious about denying anyone access to UCC because of sterotypes, and if you genuinely have a problem with them attending UCC then I feel very sorry for you

BanzaiBk

"educated" people fail.

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deisedude wrote: »

There are 2 faults to your argument
1) You have no proof they were travellers.

2)You have no proof they were students at UCC.

I know this, i also stated it already but thanks for reitterating it. there is no way of knowing if they where travallers or not, or simply students hanging around or even if they where students at all but to be fair I had no way of finding out what with the aggression i was presented with

Orizio

Thread closed, as I can't see it going anywhere good. Racial and bigoted generalizations are against ie boards rules. Will go through the thread and punish where necessary.