CoD Community - We need to stick together!

Steffano2002

We need to make a stand guys! Sure all the latest bad news about MW2 is only really affecting PC Gamers but I think we should all get together to fight this stupid, money-hungry, capitalist decision IW / Activision made re: dedicated servers.

This decision will decimate the CoD PC Community! And the only reason this decision was made is to make more money off us!

If it wasn't for us, IW wouldn't be where they are today. Who went out and bought CoD1, CoD:UO and CoD2? WE DID! And we're being sold out! I guess making millions isn't enough anymore... They want to generate billions now!

The worst thing about this is that if people go out and buy the game, other game developers will want to do the same to force people to spend more on map packs and such and such... This is bad for gaming in general!

When is it going to end? When we have to pay a monthly fee to play online? I, for one, think it's unacceptable!

Read this if you want to see how bad things are going to be.

And guys, please make sure you and your mates all sign the petition!

So how do we stick together and hurt IW? Well it's simple: we don't buy the game! And it would be nice to all take a stand and have gamers not buy the game on console either!

So Cancel your pre-ordered copy of MW2 and Don't buy the game when it's released! CoD Community Unite!

Steffano2002

Why no MW2 Dedicated servers is bad

So why is this article needed? It is needed because the PC community needs valid reasons to present to IW and the console community as to why we need dedicated server functionality.

Latency
Dedicated servers are usually always provided by big game hosting companies, with massive bandwidth DSL connections. They have direct access to the internet backbone providing upload speeds in excess of 100 MBits/s. Now lets scale that back to the average user, lowest tier access to the internet with low priority connection, upload speed generally around 0.5-1.0 MBits/s. I don't know about you but that is not at all good when compared to what game server hosts provide, a 99% reduction in bandwidth. I realise this won't result in a 100 times worse connection, but it will definitly increase ping, if you are in the same state or country you will likely get a ping of 100-250 milliseconds, different state or country? 250-1000 milliseconds seems about right. This would result in awful hit registration and lag. This alone would make competitive play extremely difficult and public play very unpleasant.

Host drop out
The host of the game leaves for whatever reason, and so bang goes the game. I know IW will likely put in some feature that makes another player in the game a host, but this will most likely be not very good and may not work all the time, and in the best scenario would result in a delay in play. This is unacceptable, it disrupts and destroys gameplay and would destroy competitive play. Unless you have a poor server, the game will always be on with no disruptions.

Performance
This links in with Latency and host drop out. Big server companies pay lots of money for specialist server and networking equipment, and their sole purpose is to provide a server for you. The server they give you has one purpose alone, to host games, not host games and play them at the same time and whatever else goes on in the average PC. This will affect gameplay, if the host cannot handle hosting the game either due to poor hardware and/or poor connection, the whole game will lag (don't believe me? go play a company of heroes game against a 1 bar performance person), also RTS experience has shown that you don't even need a dodgy host to lag the game, all you need is someone with a PC that has a poor spec and it ruins the game for everyone.

No community
How can there be a community if there is no central point to access a game. It has been revealed there will be no server browser, and as there are no servers there will be no IP addresses to give out. So how can you advertise a game/match to the general public to play? Like on a clan website or whatever. And once the host is gone, the game ends, so you can't invite people to the same match again or keep it running. Whereas with a dedicated server you can advertise the IP, and people can come and go as they please, and you can create a community of gamers around that server. You cannot have regulars to a match if it ends when everyone leaves.

Lack of control
You most definitly won't be able to customise a match like you can with a dedicated server, so you will lose a lot of control. You won't be able to ban people, kicking you may be able to but it won't be the same either way. You also won't be able to get the gameplay exactly how you like it as there will be no config files, no more server cvars, no more mods, no more maps, basically no third party stuff at all. Competitive gameplay can forget it, as there most likely won't be enough configuration options available, and competition mods like promod just won't be able to exist.

No Mods, maps, hence no modding community
You won't be able to use third party maps or mods as there are no dedicated servers to put them onto. No competitive mods, no competitive gaming. Can't install mods? Then there will be no point in making them anymore so a whole group of people just die out.

No scrims/competitive matches
As there is no server browser, or IP address to give out, how do you advertise your server in general to strangers who are not on your friends list? You can't, it will be very awkward to add somebody to your friends list so you can invite them to a server if they a stranger, this means getting scrims/matchs over IRC will become impossible: not everyone will want to advertise their ingame name or have people adding them as friends just to play a match, there are no server IPs so advertising for a match will require some creative thinking. Basically it will become such a big farse to get a scrim it will become impossible.

Destruction of server ecosystem
This is more of a business and financial point, which can make it even more important. No dedicated servers = No server hosting companies. There are lots of games still out there that use dedicated servers, but big releases bring in lots of money for these companies, so they will lose a lot of business and hence money, this will affect everybody, not just CoD players. If server companies go bust because of this every PC gamer will suffer, CoD fan or not. Also dedicated servers are the foundation of many gaming communities, without servers, they become pointless. Even more money will be lost because of this, as there is no central way of joining up in a match without a server IP for strangers/general public (remember matches are not 24/7 like game servers), these communities will just disappear.

VAC is bad - Cheating
I know punkbuster is extremely annoying, but it is simply better at catching cheaters than VAC. Just look at the Counter Strike games for an example, it is extremely easy to get away with cheating when using VAC. Cheating destroys the gaming experience for everyone and makes the game not worth playing.

Matchmaking
As there is no server browser, you can no longer choose which match to play on. The game chooses for you, whether you like the match it connects you to or not is tough, as you cannot browse directly for a game you like. Sure there will most likely be filters, but the experience is diminished, and it will be a farse waiting for the matchmaker to find, and then connect you to a game. Also mentioned in the fateful interview, is that you will be paired up with people of the same rank. Rank is not an indicator of skill, any n00b can rank up to level 55 without any skill at all. You won't be able to choose who you play with/against, and you won't be able to judge their skill on their rank.

No more big games
You won't be able to have big games without a dedicated server because of the Latency and performance issues mentioned above. The average person's connection just won't be able to handle it, even small games will suffer without the bandwidth of a dedicated server company.

No competitive gaming
Competitive gaming has been mentioned throughout this posting so for additional reasons you should have read this article better. As there is no competitive gaming there will be no more clans or gaming communities as we know it, simply because competitive gaming relies on dedicated servers in almost every aspect. Without a dedicated server you will not be able to customise the match as greatly as you would with a server, IW will most likely not create a competitive gaming mode (why would they? If they did they would'nt have removed dedicated servers in the first place), no server browser or server IPs would make it very hard for strangers to get into the match, there will be no spectating or CoDTV so there will be limited coverage of major gaming events, cheating would be massive anyway as VAC is a poor anti-cheat solution so why bother playing competitivly? As there can be no server mods for obvious reasons, gameplay cannot be changed in the way that promod can change it, for the better, another reduction of control.

Symptom of a larger problem
All in all, the removal of dedicated servers is the symptom of a much larger problem: lack of support for the PC platform. By removing dedicated servers IW is making the PC experience more like the console experience is nearly everyway. If I wanted a console experience I would have brought a console, not a gaming PC. There is no reason for the PC gaming platform to exist if there are no differences between the console version of the game and the PC version, sure you have the keyboard and mouse, but that is all you have that is unique and special about the PC now. MW2 is basically just a straight console port, with most of the effort going into the console version of the game (Proof: the map packs came out on console before PC, so more effort is going into console), this results in a lesser experience for PC users, and also more issues later on, like bugs (they still havn't fixed the bugs in CoD4), and as we are a forgotton platform we will not recieve a patch until much later than the consoles receive one. The lack of support for the PC is growing, and the actions by IW may affect every new PC game devoloped by Activision, and even the industry in general. This trend needs to be reversed fast, or the day's of playing games on the PC may be numbered.

KamiKazi

I concur with the angry French guy

Zulu

Signed buddy.
I won't be buying it either.

Whats the point IW / Activision? I pay money for multiplayer, not single player, and you've just wrecked the multiplayer for what good reason? Seriously? Clowns.

Kinetic^

I signed the petition yesterday.

If this goes ahead it's going to establish an awful precedent for online PC gaming which will virtually wipe out the multiplayer aspect of all new games for the PC as the gamers simply won't play them. Communities in games like BF2, CS/CSS, TF2 & Q/UT will just continue as are and not move on. I'm curious to see if there will be a backlash from those still playing IW's older COD releases and whether or not they'll continue to do so.

I really hope this doesn't go ahead.

KamiKazi

Guarantee you all that they'll blame piracy for poor PC sales :rolleyes:

Steffano2002

KamiKazi wrote: »

Guarantee you all that they'll blame piracy for poor PC sales :rolleyes:

Of course they will! And I also guarantee you that MW2 will be the most pirated game in the history of piracy!

People buy the game to get a CD Key to play online. If there's no online gaming anymore, why buy it...?

KamiKazi

Steffano2002 wrote: »

Of course they will! And I also guarantee you that MW2 will be the most pirated game in the history of piracy!

People buy the game to get a CD Key to play online. If there's no online gaming anymore, why buy it...?

Exactly.

ToughyIRE

stop copying and pasting **** from other websites! just give the link, thb who really cares if it fails play different games.

Steffano2002

ToughyIRE wrote: »

stop copying and pasting **** from other websites! just give the link, thb who really cares if it fails play different games.

What's happening to use these days ToughyIRE? You used to be chilled! Nowadays you just sound miserable all the time.

KamiKazi

Steffano2002 wrote: »

What's happening to use these days ToughyIRE? You used to be chilled! Nowadays you just sound miserable all the time.

Yea Toughy,

Talk to Dr. Steff :P

Blazer

I signed the petition about 11 this morning...sigs were at 46,512.
Now it's at 53,000...there's a lot of pissed off people there.

brian plank

its better on consoles anyway. . the problem is people like this little moron and how many more like him will buy the game. listen to his solution. :pac: that'll learn 'em.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUmXwrGMCx4

Zulu

Whos that nummer?

IgsTer

brian plank wrote: »

its better on consoles anyway. . the problem is people like this little moron and how many more like him will buy the game. listen to his solution. :pac: that'll learn 'em.

Hehe yeah i knew when I first heard him that he was a twelve year old kid who hasnt a clue what a pc even is. His solution, buy it on console :cool:, wow that really fixes the issue.

ToughyIRE

petitions, posts, flaming etc, will not make the slightest difference, IW dont care all that you can hope to achieve is a patch, allowing dedicated servers in maybe a few months time. I wouldn't hold your breath, why would IW change their planned business model for the sake of a tiny percentage in sales.

Lord Nikon

Ahem, 100k petition has got them talking at least.

papajimsmooth

Yeah but most of those people are all talk, i guarantee most of them will go out and buy it the day it comes out

the_syco

They'll care when the bored script-kiddies DDOS their servers a few times

Codofwar

neuromancer wrote: »

Ahem, 100k petition has got them talking at least.

Its now gone up to 154227

@ Toughy it might make sh!t all of a difference but whats the harm in trying. It takes less than a minute to do and if there are another 1 or 2 hundred or thousand or more with the same attitude as you it wont help anything now will it. Your pc wont bite you for doing it so as nike say just do it.

sharky0922

ok..i'm bit out off topic, didnt play cod4, but was thinknig to give a chance MW2, since BF BC 2 will be in march,
can somebody explain this whole mess?
in Bf2 people join to dedicated servers, yeah? i understand same was in cod4,
so in MW 2 what? we have to open server? and there wont be any list for that? ee...
EDIT
i read a bit more about it..and
ITS GONNA SUCK..
but what i;m suppose to play, bf2 for 4 year? heh.. i will wait for demo, and reviews at least..
but for sure i can say BAD COMPANY 2..

Lukker-

ToughyIRE wrote: »

petitions, posts, flaming etc, will not make the slightest difference, IW dont care all that you can hope to achieve is a patch, allowing dedicated servers in maybe a few months time. I wouldn't hold your breath, why would IW change their planned business model for the sake of a tiny percentage in sales.

Toughy's been intergrated into the system, he knows the problems, but he thinks he's too small to make a difference.

sharky0922

i was thinking all the time when DICE will wake up and use this opportunity to
smash IW in the mouth.. and here we go..
the best thing is title, saying everything
Dedicated to our PC Players!
check this ..
http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2009/10/26/dedicated-to-our-pc-players.aspx
good move from DICE.. saying that IW really don;t care about PC gamers
and other funny thing, dice is use same reason to keep servers like ALL pc players.. haha FTW DICE
so now question is IW are just dumb? or they pretend to be dumb?

CyberGhost

Somebody made a very good point about the P2P system

by Conker
You know theres even more problems with p2p. Many people don't know how to port forward. Many people on pc's have routers between the connections. Its going to be a disaster mostly. 2vs2 4vs4 lagged matches with bad hit detection will suck. Anyone with a brain won't buy it. Every p2p game has failed.