Windows license refund donated to Mint

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Windows license refund donated to Mint

Written by Clem on Friday, October 16th, 2009 @ 11:44 am | Main Topics
I was recently contacted by a person called Graeme Cobbett. In his email he told me he got his Windows license refunded and donated that money to Linux Mint. Of course, as you can imagine, he felt pretty happy about it and he wanted to let people know how he did it.
So here’s his article on the topic. Good reading everyone!

Hello, my name is Graeme Cobbett. Today, I donated $112 to Linux Mint. But I didn’t fund this myself: Microsoft gave me the money. Here’s how I did it.
This is the story of how I bought a new notebook PC, replaced Windows with Linux and got a refund for the operating system I didn’t want. Not many people do that last bit about getting a refund, but perhaps you can too, if you have a calm attitude and persevere then it can be straightforward.
1. Choose your new computer.

Take a look at the vast array of new PCs on the market. Does the one you like come without Microsoft Windows? Unless it’s a netbook, probably not. Even if you do strike lucky, chances are it costs the same (or even more in some cases) than the equivalent with Windows. So you are probably kinda fixed with buying a copy of Windows you don’t want.
2. Don’t switch on your new computer yet!

You can only reject your software license if you do not use it. You’ll need to use another computer to do step 2:
3. Download Linux.

This one’s pretty easy. First, you choose what kind of Linux you want. I got Linux Mint because, being based on Ubuntu, it has a huge support base so you can easily Google for help. But unlike Ubuntu, it comes ready to play DVDs, music files and Flash files with no tinkering. If you use Windows to download your replacement operating system, the only tricky bit is that you have to use a special utility like Isorecorder to burn the file. (http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm).
4. Test Linux to make sure it works

You can do this on your new computer without starting Windows: just put your newly-burned CD or USB stick into your computer before you switch on. Not everything might work perfectly first time. For example, on my Dell Studio 1555, the sound didn’t work. So I just googled “Dell Studio 1555 Ubuntu Sound” and found a step-by-step fix which fixed things straight away.
5. Reject your software license

Have you ever read the Microsoft Windows End User License Agreement? It’s pretty scary what you commit yourself to. If you buy Dell, then as soon as you start Windows then you agree to a second set of scary software terms. So reject them. Email is probably the best way: unlike support phone lines it’s free, you can make your case concisely, and if your vendor makes an offer you have proof right in your inbox, so they can’t go back on their word. Don’t delay – for example, Dell like you to do this within 7 days. Here’s what I wrote:
“I do not agree to the terms of the Dell Software Licensing Agreement or the Microsoft Windows End User License Agreement.
“I confirm that I have not used any of the software, have not opened or broken the seal on any software packet and have deleted all preloaded or embedded software from my Dell.
“1. How may I promptly return the disks and other software items to you?
“2. How will you refund the cost of the software? I note that Windows Vista Home Premium retails at £133.96, Microsoft Works at £39.99 and Cyberlink PowerDVD at £39.99 today, which means a total refund of £213.94 is due.
“best regards”
6. Argue the case
I was all fired up for this bit. The article at http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381 covers your bases really well: I recommend looking there if your vendor tries to reject your request the first few times.
So, I was all ready for a pitched battle with Dell when they replied within 48 hours offering this:
“The software Cd’s can be returned to Dell.
“However, the refund for Cyberlink PowerDVD cannot be arranged as this software is already preinstalled on the system.
“The amount that would be refunded for Vista Home Premium is £57.82+vat
and for Microsoft Works is £3.86+vat”
Brilliant! With tax, that adds up to about £70 (US$110), enough for me to overlook their nonsense about the DVD software. I made sure never to say “I accept your offer”, instead preferring “thank you for your offer. You may collect the CDs on [date].” Then, if they screw me around later, I can take them to court for full retail.
7. Gently persevere

So then comes the interesting bit. Dell arranged to collect the software from me but their collection agent didn’t show. Why would they? That’s going to cost them £70 ($110). They had me over a barrel, asking me to wait at home for a whole extra day. So I upped the “firm” factor with a message:
“On 27th August 2009, I wrote to you rejecting your software license terms. You wrote back on 31st August saying I could have a refund if I returned the software CDs.
“You offered to collect the CDs on 11th September. I lost a day’s work waiting at home for you to collect the CDs but you did not collect them. You have acknowledged this but not offered me an explanation.
“You now say I may not have a refund unless we arrange for you to collect the software CDs another time. I cannot afford to take another day off work, so I offered to post them to you. You declined my offer.
“I would like to give you another chance to make amends. Please grant me a refund now. If you are unable to do this, please send me a copy of Dell’s formal complaints procedure so that I may raise my complaint at the appropriate level.”
Dell knows that if I refuse a reasonable request by them then a small claims court will throw out any legal claim I make. So I played nice until they realised they would have to let me use regular post to send the CDs.
So eventually I got my refund. It took me 12 email exchanges in total, and Dell probably didn’t get a refund from Microsoft for the license. But I suspect that every time someone secures a license refund, it has a more than proportionate effect on the PC manufacturers’ next round of negotiations with Microsoft, gently loosening their tight monopoly grip on the operating system market.
8. Donate your refund to Linux Mint

Because you’re one of the good guys. Or just because you get a nice squidgy feeling from the idea that your the money you got back from your unwanted Microsoft software is keeping free, open-source software ahead of the game. Pat yourself on the back!

Naikon

I feel like shredding a tear after that :')
Seriously though, all non windows users should do the same.

I remember Macros42 posted a similar thread a while back.
12 emails is a bit excessive. Dell should streamline the process.

Linux usage is on the way up. It will be interesting to see how things
pan out in 10 years time. Linux has a chance of at least competing
with the Apple market share. Money from unused MS copies will help.

Orion

He's a drama queen. I bought a Dell laptop. Sent them a mail declining the license and requesting a refund. Got a reply two days later telling me the refund would be credited to my credit card within 10 working days and there was no requirement to send back the Dell CDs. That simple.

Nice call the donation to Mint if you use it though. But MS didn't pay for it - he did. He paid the donation out of his own pocket.

[edit]Dell don't get a 'refund' from MS. They pay in arrears for the amount of licenses they sell. That one doesn't count as a sold license so they just don't pay for it.

BopNiblets

This would be handy if I had actually paid for any Windows OS in the last 10 years

Johnboy1951

Macros42 wrote: »

He's a drama queen. I bought a Dell laptop. Sent them a mail declining the license and requesting a refund. Got a reply two days later telling me the refund would be credited to my credit card within 10 working days and there was no requirement to send back the Dell CDs. That simple.

Nice call the donation to Mint if you use it though. But MS didn't pay for it - he did. He paid the donation out of his own pocket.

[edit]Dell don't get a 'refund' from MS. They pay in arrears for the amount of licenses they sell. That one doesn't count as a sold license so they just don't pay for it.

Thank you for posting this.

May I ask what amount was the refund and for which version of Windows?

Thank you.

Orion

It was two years ago - iirc it was about €50 for Vista Home. On a €450 laptop that's 11% off essentially.

You shouldn't forget that this doesn't just apply to installing Linux. If you have a retail copy of Windows you can transfer that between machines. OEM versions are tied to the PC you bought it with but if you buy Windows in e.g. PC World you can install that on your new PC and reclaim the Windows tax from your supplier (you must remove it from your old PC ofc).

The numbers Clem posted in his blog are crap - he asked for retail price back. Dell/HP/Acer/etc pay (and charge) OEM prices not retail. That's the amount you get back.

When the search function is back up search for my original post on this - I copied the email I sent to Dell (which I copied from another website).

[edit]Google is a wonderful thing - found it:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53464078&postcount=7

It was Vista Business seemingly - which makes sense as I recall now that I used the Dell business site to purchase it. And I said later in that thread that it was about €40.