M4's Vs AK's The Great Debate

The Master

Spurned on by a post in the airsoft news thread I thought it might be fun to enter into a little light harted debate on the subject of;

"M4's vs AK's"

Please feel free to post your opposing views on why you think one or the other is better.

Try to remain on topic and keep arguments and the like out if it.

If you dissagree with someones point of view , attack the post not the poster

You must state what side you are on in your posts title! ie M4 or AK

Let The Great Debate Begin

Remember folks this is only a bit of craic and not to be taken too seriously

PS thread will be locked after a set amount of time TBD

Edit - No pics either folks

Sam Fisher

AK

For M4,

Not really against the AKs, but if I am to pick one to the field, I'd take the M4 and here are my reasons..

1. The mags. There fit most vests or rigs.
2. Attachements. RIS, RAS, URX, S-System....
3. After market parts.

Personally I find them easier to use. I have many M4s at home, but I still would love to have an AKs with the collection. AK's got history....

evilrobotshane

AK.

My opinions on this are more real-steel than airsoft-based, and those are by necessity primarily second-hand because I've never used an assault rifle for anything other than target shooting and have never fired an M4 at all.

Anyway, I used to hang around with this mate of mine who'd been in the U.S. Army and is an opinionated type of guy. He was a little bitter about the M4, in fact; he maintained that the greatest testament to the quality of the American fighting man was that they can achieve anything at all with that pile of crap. A slightly more accurate gun that doesn't shoot because it's dusty or wet is no advantage in a firefight.

He had a Czech version of the AK for "home defence", which he loved to bits and named The Baroness, after the Cobra lady from Action Force (his daughter, incidentally, is named after her as well, or maybe after the rifle). When the zombies come, an AK is what you want.

When I started airsoft and was choosing a gun I decided on a policy of no guns that I've fired the real version of, because the airsoft one would just feel silly and one plays airsoft to feel cool; so, no AKs (this also unfortunately rules out 1911s, amongst others). But a mate of mine got one of the Cybergun-branded 47s, and despite the big stupid logo on it, it looks and feels the business.

It's pretty much accepted that people issued the M4 are accepting of it at best and vehemently against it at worst; that it's power and corruption in the military-industrial complex keeping it in service.

I'm a Mac user. I like and respect stuff that just works.

Masada

AK

Ak's are made of wood, I don't trust no gun that grew somewhere...

Necron99

AK baby, touch it, feel it, hold it, love it!

mcshape

AK

M4 for the Win!
Every time i see an ak on TV its held by a toothless guy in a turban, The terrorists weapon of choice, I just dont like the feel of an AK, Love the Bits you can get for M4's (Peq's and the Like), And im also a magpul whore...
I have fired the AK in Real Steel, It is a beast, I havnt fired a real steel M4 so i cant compare... But when it comes to airsoft, Its the M4 for me

evilrobotshane

You know what else? What the hell is with that fire selector switch? It's like tuning a bloody radio.

TheDoc

AK

Excellent, the potential to be the best thread on the planet,with the least amount of useful information.

Lets get cracking

Armalite

Arma - A fantastic realistic shooter on the pc that just whipes the floor both visually and gameplay wise with most products out there.

Lite - A healthy weapon, it wont pile onthe calories and you can keep in peak physical condition, when you ever seen a fat dude with an Armalite in cinema, but fat guys with AK's? Take your pick.

Arma1337 - Those of us who use the american rifle, know that we are jsut the best. We dont need to read facts, or statistics, they are just wrong, and we are right. You just look like hot **** wielding an M4, no matter who you are, but you just look poor and uneducated wielding an AK. And your obviously a terrorist up to no good trying to oppress my freedom, but withmy m4, I just know that I'm promoting freedom and making the world a better place.

Eotechs - You guys jsut dont have them. Yeah you can go out and buy your epic rare scope mounts that look like some dodgy 80's sci fi creation, and then mount an eotech, but youll look like a spa.

Handy old m4s come with a fantastic creation called " rail systems" which allow us to easily transfer our eotechs and scopes without a hitch.

I dont need to mount a camera or iphone to my m4, buts its nice to know, that I can. Simple rail adaptors and mounts allow us to mount just about everything to our guns from torches and lasers, to toothbrushes and dildos.

The ak can I suppose, but in a horrid way, using tape. The AK user always says how tape is so handy, thats cause they need to tape things on, not to mention, tape it held together. Therefore, obviously giving weight to the fact, ak users are poor terrorists...cause everyone knows the tape industry is funded by terrorists...just like pirated DVDs.

Magpul. Magpul is the Megan Fox of the gun world. It used to be rare, expensive and classy, but now its more cheap, slutty and absolutely everywhere. I can wake up on a cool sunday morning, walk to the gun rack, tilt my head and say " hmm, that ctr stock just wont do, it doesnt match my belt". Off it comes in a few seconds, and on goes a lovely UBR stock.

However your AK is staying the same, no matter how hard you try. You wake up on a dusky saturday morning and walk to your rack and say " o no, that walnut handguard will not do, I think I'll go with some oak, yeah...thats nice".

The M4 is for pr0s. Not to mention we have a stock called "UBR", but our fire selector goes from safe, to "semi" then to full auto. A concept lacking with the AK, who prefer to go " well if i leave the selector there, theres a good chance i wont shoot my foot" to " its ok AK drum mags are cheap enough". There is no third selection on the AK...o wait sorry yes, semi kinda full auto. The M4 beautifully clicks into a motion that displays professionalism, control, and fluency, seemlessly firing one round at a time, allowing for beautiful slow mo actions. Another simple flick and we have a nicely controlled full auto mechanism that allows us to write our names in the enemys head.

The AK, said **** to proffessionalism. They knew their rifle was being put into the hand of the mong, so lets not rely on one shot kills, lets make them move a huge remo proof fire selector, to full auto, they just cant miss. Recoil? Yeah its a bit hefty, but whatever...our gun is ment to be hip fired, cause we just cant design a comfy shoudlering rifle.

The AK just cant be shouldered, its designed for the mong, with long arms, no shoulders, and two constantly rotating eyeballs. The m4 is a crafted piece of beauty, where it gorgously slides aganist the shoulder, to provide the comfort of a expensive duvet, and you unleash death. And again, it makes you look the business and look like you know what you are doing.

Magazines.

The M4 system uses this remarkable method, that can allow a semi decent user to reload well under 2 seconds, even that is slow. A lovely designed mag that just goes out, new one in. The AK however, had to be wonky, a dirty long dildo shaped mag, that just about fits no ****ing conventional pouch out there, and has a reloading system like a blind sex pervert mistaking a keyhole for his wife...its just not gonig to happen. The m4 uses a simple button, that atwo year old could operate, but the ak requires a seconds thought, 1 second for " why the **** did they use a lever" and another second for " why the **** wont this mag go in"

But but...no Mr.Armaleet, my AK can fire after being submerged in water...after being stuckin a sandpit....

Well Mr. Ak, we here at colt, just dont support selling our rifles to minors. We just didnt figure it into our design phase, when a child brings his rifle with him to play in his sand pit, or go swimming with his rifle in the paddling pool...its jsut not something we figured.

And if your talking about adults, well, our rifle is a bit more upper class, for the more intellegent user. so our users usually have the option of taking a boat accross water...and well just not having a bath with their rifle.

Plus we just dont figure our rifle would be the better option for building sand castles...


Ill step aside now and just let someone else have some input, in the spirit of debate.

Its like a pity ****, I'm giving you a pity chance to respond, I know your gonig to be wrong, we all know your wrong....but we have to give you a chance.


Heres our typical ak user.
A bit touched.
Was unable to master the complex use of "the fly"
Has plenty of tape
A towel for when he goes swimming with his rifle.

And he has an outtie, a ****ing outtie...


MONG

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Rooky1

AK

It has to be M4's.
Extremely comfortable and a very versatile!
Tons of add ons.
And loads of really Gucci parts! (sad I know)


It really comes down to personal preference.
I think AK's are a bit on the ugly side, but hey that's just me!!

MKIII

AK

For myself it has to be the M4.The sheer amount of add ons that improve the gun is so vast from M203s to lazers or even a simple handel.
Dont get me wrong I like the AK and its simple is best approach but RIS + Grenade launcher wow

fayer

AK

Post of the year Doc!

TheDoc

AK

Armalite users are more advanced, educated, intellectual and articulated people.

It should be expected at this stage.

But seriously lets wait for the AK guys to respond.


I think they are collectively gathering ideas at the moment...they should have a post ready in 2012 along the lines off

" **** off doc"

fayer

AK

TheDoc wrote: »

I think they are collectively gathering ideas at the moment...

Tapeing them together as we speak I bet !

mcshape

AK

fayer wrote: »

Post of the year Doc!

+1

Fookin fell of my chair laughing!

mcshape

AK

AHH But look at the family values the AK Brings...

<snip> - no pics please - The Master

TheDoc

AK

Guys on a serious note

Lets make sure the old "pictures" dont go sending the wrong messages or misinterpreted, hate to see this thread get locked before the lads get comeback time :P

evilrobotshane

M4s certainly are a fine piece for a variety of roles; hanging on a wall, throwing shapes with, maybe even bringing down the range if you're bwave enough for all those nasty loud noisies and don't mind the thorough cleaning it'll need. You can go shopping for it more than any pampered chihuahua, and have a good natter about accessories over lunch with your lady friends.

AKs are more specific. They're for murdering the hell out of folks. In fairness, the M4 and its predecessors have caused their share of American deaths too, but that was by breaking down because they were in a warzone instead of a fancy restaurant. You don't need EOTechs, or extending stocks, or laser designators to murder the hell out of folks. AKs are the kind of gun a guy buys for killing in a war. M4s are the kind of gun a guy buys for his girlfriend because it reminds her of dressing up Barbie.

One shoots people. The other can match your handbag.

TheDoc

AK

Airsoft is 80% looking good....

<snip> -nothing personal please - The Master

Firekitten

<off topic content removed> - The Master

Right.

Both have semi and auto
both have rails if needed (Remember the m4 didnt either at first)
both have stocks, folding sliding and full.
both can take silencers or flashhiders.
both have sights!
both take optics!

Whats the difference?


Personal Choice.

The Master

AK

Thread locked till later on

Please read the OP folks I wont edit any more posts I'll simply remove them

Thread will re-open later today and will be closed for good this evening

REMEMBER it's just a bit of fun