Mayweather vs Manny?

Iamcharlie

If this fight did go down, who would win in your opinion?

walshb

I'd go with Floyd by points or late stoppage if he decides to open up and exert his authority.

Iamcharlie

Surely Floyd wont sleep with everyone telling him there’s a little Filipino fighter with a nations worth of fans and possibly even more admirers and some serious talent. Give every boxing fan, casual or passionate, the fight the whole world wants to see.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I'd go with Floyd by points or late stoppage if he decides to open up and exert his authority.

Highly unlikely.


Floyd has the size advantage and knows how to use it. A boring UD just like the Marquez fight.

Now if Manny pulls of a victory against Cotto I may change my mind.

cowzerp

I see an exciting fight, Manny wont let it be boring and floyd will have to come out a bit more to stop Manny but i still see a Floyd win by late stoppage or U Decision..

blackbetty69

T-K-O wrote: »

Now if Manny pulls of a victory against Cotto I may change my mind.

I dont think thats a very big if imo.. manny is well capable of beating cotto, but manny v money would be a tough one.
i'd probly go for money to win on points

magma69

I'd love to see that arrogant twat Mayweather lose. Unfortunately, I do not think it will happen. His defense is just too good so I can see him running around the ring for the first few rounds then stepping it up a gear in the later rounds and win by a late stoppage or points. I don't see it as a foregone conclusion though. If there is any fighter to give Mayweather problems it will be Pac Man and his unorthodox offensive style. Pac Man can knock him out but I think it is unlikely. Fingers crossed this fight happens sooner rather than later. The thought of this fight is making me froth at the mouth :pac:.

dlofnep

Floyd would destroy him. Manny isn't on his level, and Manny is a great fighter.

joepenguin

I think Manny vs Mayweather comes down to who fights the smartest. Manny could be left without a clue after a few of mayweathers counters. I just see so many openings with Manny and its his sheer speed that gets him out of trouble. I thought dlh and hatton would crease him with left hooks because of these and tbh i see mayweather being good enough to do so.
Obviously the other side of it is Manny is a clever fighter and works to his game plan. Mayweather wouldnt like having to deal with his style.

Im hoping we all have a better idea after the cotto fight.
Arum has been saying that its unikely to happen because of purse splits but its like any other mega fight... where else are you going to make that kind of money no matter what share you take. If Manny beats cotto then manny-pbf should be 50/50. Or what I think is a good idea... 60 to the winner, 40 to the loser

T-K-O

dlofnep wrote: »

Floyd would destroy him. Manny isn't on his level, and Manny is a great fighter.

Ridiculous. Manny is more than a match for Floyd the size will be the difference. Manny has destroyed elite fighters, Floyd has not.

joepenguin

T-K-O wrote: »

Ridiculous. Manny is more than a match for Floyd the size will be the difference. Manny has destroyed elite fighters, Floyd has not.

I think thats more down to the style of how they fight. Mayweather seems to be happy to go loads of rounds, play it safe and if the ko comes it comes but he wont take risks. Manny just goes in and does a job.

Maybe its because of his fragile hands or something

walshb

Manny has beaten elite fighters, but not elite above 130 lbs. Floyd is a 147 lb fighter, and a good one. Floyd was a great 130-140 lb fighter.

Let us not apply too much credence to the Hatton and Oscar wins. They prove nothing but the fact that both guys were atrocious in the fights, and it wasn't all down to Pacman.

Floyd wins a decision if he plays it safe, but does anyone feel that had Floyd decided to really take the bout to Juan, that Juan would have been stopped mid rds?

Now, Pac is a different animal to Juan, far more aggressive, but Floyd can nullify this with defense and speed and countering; hard countering. Manny's chin isn't steel, it's good, but he can be hurt and rocked and wobbled.

I can see Floyd landing very flush shots on Manny and frequently.

walshb

Will The Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Super-Fight Happen? Bob Arum And Freddie Roach Have Doubts

by James Slater - Simply put, it's the fight everyone interested in the sport of boxing wants to see; Manny Pacquiao Vs. Floyd Mayweather Junior - the battle for pound-for-pound supremacy. Since even before "Money's" short-lived retirement, the fans have been asking what would happen if the man who took his spot at the very top of the sport were to face him in the ring.

As natural a fight as the great ones that defined previous eras when it comes to the lower weight classes, Pacquiao-Mayweather could be as big, and as great, as Ray Leonard-Tommy Hearns, Julio Cesar Chavez-Meldrick Taylor and many other classics you could mention.. But - and it's a question that is a tough one to ask - will this particular mega-fight actually take place?

Depressingly, two men who know more than most with regards to this question - in "Pac-Man's" promoter Bob Arum and his trainer Freddie Roach - seem to think the fight is a long shot to go ahead.

In a recent interview with The Ring, Arum said the following:

"I don't think [Pacquiao-Mayweather] will happen within the next year because of all of Mayweather's posturing, the trash talk. That impedes any realistic negotiations. It would just be too difficult."

Arum has also gone on record as saying the demands Mayweather seems unwilling, maybe incapable, of backing down from will also make the fight a no go. "Money" wants a 60-40 split in his favour, as does "Pac-Man." Arum says no way will Floyd get the lion's share of the purse, as he is not the draw; Manny is. Of course, we can cross our fingers and hope the two fighters agree to take an even 50-50 split, but it doesn't look likely.

Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, joins Arum in doubting whether the must-see fight will actually get to be seen.

"It seems like there's a lot of things working against this fight ever happening," Roach told The L.A Times recently. "It makes sense. It would be a great fight, but it seems there's a lot of distractions around it. I don't think it's going to happen."

As maddening as the thought of never getting to see this potentially unforgettable fight is, we must try and stay at least a little optimistic. Remember, there was once talk that the much sought after Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton fight would not go ahead due to arguments over the purse split. In the end, sanity prevailed and both sides realised how important the fight was and came to an agreement. As financially huge as Pacquiao-Mayweather would be, surely egos can be put aside, at least for a time?

One thing that must be said, however, is that Miguel Cotto, as great as HE is, is being done a disservice by all the talk of whether or not a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will happen due to the money issue. It could well be that the 2010 mega-fight doesn't happen, but due to an entirely different reason: Cotto defeats Pacquiao on November 14th!

If that did happen (and a number of good judges feel it might) all this talk about Pacquiao-Mayweather would probably become irrelevant. All talk then would shift towards Cotto Vs. Mayweather. Would that be a super-fight that could be made?

walshb

My view is that this fight has to happen within 9 months to make it really interesting.
Both men are getting on and aren't the force they used to be, as in, they are past
their primes I feel. Manny is past his best weight and Floyd is too.

Cotto could spoil the party here, but if he does, then a Floyd-Miguel
bout is every bit as good I feel and pits two more equally
sized men together

I feel all the above talk is just to keep folks interested. It's all hype to
try and sell the potential bout even greater. The only real obstacle here
is Cotto. And on that note, Pac really must be commended for taking
such a brave move against a fighter who could scupper his plans
for his biggest ever payday

danlen

mayweather would be just too good. manny is a world-class fighter and one of the best p4p around at the moment but mayweather is probably, and i do not say this lightly, the best p4p fighter i have EVER seen. i'm not even a fan of the man himself but as a boxer he is flawless.

(would love to see this fight though!)

T-K-O

I want to be a fan of floyd but its to damn hard.

Manny has defeated some of the greats and has a fantastic CV, the same cannot be said about Mayweather.

Manny has the liathroid to step up and fight Diaz, Dela Hoya and Hatton after the cleaned out his own division. Floyd has achieved non of this.


I'll say it again if manny was the same size of mayweather he would inflict the first KO of Floyds career.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

I'll say it again if manny was the same size of mayweather he would inflict the first KO of Floyds career.

That's pure theory and fantasy, similar to saying that if Robinson was Ali's size, he would beat Ali? Nobody can prove this, and maybe Robinson wouldn't be the same
force he was if he had to gain 40 lbs and 3 inches in height. It's all speculation and science fiction

Well, let's play it out....Manny and Floyd were ever only the same when at 130 lbs. Floyd started out at 130 lbs and Manny was there from 05-08. Now, does anyone really think that Pac at 130 beats Floyd at 130?

Morales beat Pac at this weight and Erik was past his peak I feel. He had a close win over Juan and a win over a faded Barerra, both whom went 12, yet you claim that
that he KOs Floyd if equal in size?

Floyd was a tremendous talent at 130 lbs and I see him outpointing Manny comfortably.

Watch Floyd dismantle Diego at 130 lbs and then try and tell me that the 130 lb
version of Manny kos him, because I cannot believe it.

Hey, lets even use a 140 lb Floyd vs a 142 lb Pac. The Floyd who
destroyed Gatti weighed 139 lbs and no way does
Manny KO this version either. No matter what way one spins it, even
allowing a heavier Pac meet a lighter version Floyd, he doesn't KO Floyd.

Simply put, no version of Manny Pacquiao KOs Floyd as a 139-147 lb man,

And I would even say that no version of Pac KOs a 135 lb version of Floyd.

Maybe a 140+ Pac KOs a 130 lb Floyd, but I still wouldn't be surprised
if it didn't happen.

T-K-O

That version of morales was better than anyone Floyd fought at 130.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

That version of morales was better than anyone Floyd fought at 130.

So that's your point proved then?

Maybe he was better, but that goes nowhere to proving or
making a strong case for your statement.

Diego Corrales was close on 6 feet tall and weighed about 142
lbs on fight night if I remember correctly, and Floyd destroyed him.

Now, Morales would be damn hard pushed to beat Diego Corrales considering
that he would be 3-4 inches shorter and giving away fight night weight.

Pac too would be damn hard pushed.

T-K-O

Yes. Point proved.

T-K-O

When I say if Manny was the same size as Floyd, I'm not talking about putting on weight - in fantasy land they would be the same size and IMO Manny beats Floyd. He would have the speed and the aggression to give Floyd all kinds of touble.

walshb

I'd love to hear some cogent arguments on this issue.

Does Manny KO Floyd if both are equal?
If so, why?

Not necessarily fantasy , but reality. The best 130 lb Pac vs the best 130 lb
Floyd?

The best 135 lb Pac vs the best 135 lb Floyd

The best 140 lb Pac vs the best 140 lb Floyd?

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

When I say if Manny was the same size as Floyd, I'm not talking about putting on weight - of touble.

And neither am I talking about putting on weight, hence why I selected both from various times in their careers when they were equal.

Eg: Floyd weighing 130 lbs vs WHEN Manny was weighing 130 lbs....

T-K-O

The weights are misleading. Manny is out of his comfort zone at 140. At 130-135 yes I believe he would beat Mayweather.

Floyd is not a fan of aggressive fighters, an old Dela has him on the back foot and Zab Judah caused him a lot of problems.

If these guys fought today, Floyd would probably catch Manny on the way in like he did with Hatton, however all being equal l4l I would suggest Manny takes those shots just like he did against previous opponents.

Basically in a nut shell, Im saying L4L Manny is better than Floyd.

walshb

[QUOTE=T-K-O;62550568
Basically in a nut shell, Im saying L4L Manny is better than Floyd.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, that seems a whole lot different than what you initially claimed.

This is definitely debatable and possibly true, I can see
your point with this claim, but I cannot really see your point
with the original claim.

cowzerp

Mayweather at 130 was unbeatable, manny was not-Good fight but Floyd wins and Manny gets bust up rd after rd..

T-K-O

The way I see it Manny has proved himself without question. Even taking the fight against Cotto says a lot about the guy.

Imagine if Manny was the welter weight and Floyd was in his position. If that was the case this fight would never happen, people would fear for Mayweather.

Again, it's all ifs buts and maybes.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Mayweather at 130 was unbeatable, manny was not-Good fight but Floyd wins and Manny gets bust up rd after rd..

Not exactly true. Two things. Manny fought better competition and he was also a little wild back then.

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

Not exactly true. Two things. Manny fought better competition and he was also a little wild back then.

Manny was arguably beaten by Marquez twice, Mayweather toyed with him in fairness, i know styles make fights but this is 1 fight both have in common.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Manny was arguably beaten by Marquez twice, Mayweather toyed with him in fairness, i know styles make fights but this is 1 fight both have in common.

Come on be fair, style AND size contributed to that fight, but we can play that game..... Floyd lost to Oscar and Manny destroyed him from r1

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

Come on be fair, style AND size contributed to that fight, but we can play that game..... Floyd lost to Oscar and Manny destroyed him from r1

Well the difference between Manny and Marquez is not much so when comparing Floyd v Manny, Marquez is a fair comparison, where DLH was far bigger than the 2 of them and not really an indicator for the Mayweather Manny fight. although your argument is valid.

joepenguin

Mayweathers beating Marquez proves nothing, not with such a weight difference. Marquez wasnt even a genuine 135 fighter and we all know that. Mayweather beat up a super featherweight, so what. Would we care if Kelly Pavlik beat up the cotto / pac winner? Its 2 divisions of a difference with manny at least being able to make 140 easy.

Manny destroyed a shot oscar and an ill prepared Hatton. Mayweather won a close sd to a past prime / almost shot oscar and beat Hatton as he seen fit.

There are so many variables with their common opponents, stage of their careers at certain weights and level of opposition etc.

Their approach to fights are so much different. The big difference of late is the level of risk. Mayweather taking the easy route and Manny taking the risks.

walshb

joe, in terms of risk taking and fighting the tough opponent, Manny is in a league of his own, I won't argue there, and his willingness to meet men naturally bigger who posed danger, deserves full credit. But, match them at various stages of their career from 130-140 and I cannot see where Manny can win. I think it's a comfy win for Floyd across this spread.

danlen

walshb wrote: »

joe, in terms of risk taking and fighting the tough opponent, Manny is in a league of his own, I won't argue there, and his willingness to meet men naturally bigger who posed danger, deserves full credit. But, match them at various stages of their career from 130-140 and I cannot see where Manny can win. I think it's a comfy win for Floyd across this spread.

totally agree.

lads we can make excuses for manny about his weight all day but when it comes down to it he won't be able to beat mayweather. mayweather is just that good