should i say anything?

artyeva

say for instance that someone you previously worked with stole from the company, and when word got out that the guards were involved etc, someone who knew this person told you that they knew this person's history, and that your company was not the first workplace they had solen from... and later you find out that this person had actually been previously convicted and imprisoned for theft.... and it left everyone thinking ''crap - if only we'd known we wouldn't have hired her''.....so now, while a case is pending, you find out that this person is working somewhere new... would you tell their new employer that a file has been sent to the DPP and basically they should keep an eye on them? i don't know what to do...

petes

Why would you say anything? As far as I can see it's got nothing to do with you.

Move on. I'm not saying what she did is right but the guards and DPP are already involved. No need to get yourself more involved now.

trad

Innocent until proven guilty.

If she was convicted previously did the case make the papers? Google her and see if there's a link to newspaper article. If there is you could always send a copy to the new HR department.

Against that are we not all entitled to a second chance? Some people learn from their mistakes. Your call.

artyeva

fair enough, i see where ye're both coming from... it's just that as soon as this person got out of prison they tarted up their cv, started working with us and within months was up to their old tricks... i think it's a disease of some sort they have to be honest. i take your point about innocent until proven guilty and all that. however, if we had known when we hired them my previous employer wouldn't be down the guts of €50k and maybe my co-workers would still have their jobs

trad

How can you be sure they are up to their old tricks? If you go to your boss and they take action on the basis of a gut instinct rather than hard fact they could well be in trouble for slander / libel.

Did you try google? I googled the MD of a company that I applied for a job with to find he was convicted of common assault so give it a try. Rule No 1 is mind thy self. Don't put yourself in a position where you become the looser.

artyeva

trad wrote: »

How can you be sure they are up to their old tricks? If you go to your boss and they take action on the basis of a gut instinct rather than hard fact they could well be in trouble for slander / libel.

very true - i don't know for sure!!! however, i wouldn't have said anything that wasn't cold hard facts that they could have verified themselves. as i said if someone had alerted us to the facts that 90% of their CV was fiction, their references were false and they had been to prison for theft in the past we may have thought differently about believing the lies that came out of their mouth!!!

but i take your points -maybe i won't say anything and just see if they're fired for stealing in a years time.:rolleyes:

trad

Who didn't check out the cv and references?

As I've said before see if you can find something from the print media about their conviction and imprisonment. Women getting a stretch usually gets a mention in the local media.

Eoin

I absolutely wouldn't tell the new employer at all; if anything, I'd worry if there were legal implications for you if you did so.

Euro_Kraut

eoin wrote: »

I absolutely wouldn't tell the new employer at all; if anything, I'd worry if there were legal implications for you if you did so.

How could there be legal implications? Its is not slander if what you are saying is true. i.e. that this person is under investigation for theft.

OP, I think you should let HR in her new company know. Just give them the facts as you know it and nothing else. They than can make the decision as to wether she deserves a second chance or not.

Eoin

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

How could there be legal implications?

As someone who isn't a lawyer, I don't know for sure. Which is why I wouldn't stick my nose in something that's none of my business.

artyeva

eoin wrote: »

As someone who isn't a lawyer, I don't know for sure. Which is why I wouldn't stick my nose in something that's none of my business.

fair enough.

BUT... [to be devil's advocate for a minute;)] if you were robbed and then someone walked past you as the guy who just mugged you was running off with your wallet, and they said ''hey i had a feeling he was going to rob you cause you're exactly the kinda person he's mugged 3 or 4 times before.. but erm.. i decided not to tell ya''

..... would you rather that than someone saying ''hey, see this guy coming towards you? he's mugged 3 or 4 people just like you before so i'd just watch my wallet if were you''.

Eoin

I understand where you're coming from, but you don't know the details of how he got his job. Are you in a HR position in your current company and worried if false references were given or something?

Shelflife

Artyeva as an employer and a businessman i try to check references but sometimes a bad egg will slip through the checks. i had this brought to my attention once and i was grateful and it possibly saved me alot of money.

in your case i would discreetly ring the boss / hr dept and tell them to double check her references. you dont have to give your name or be malacious.

the new company can make up their own minds then.