Mayweather puts the UFC back in its place !

mikethemouth

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boxnumbers092509

While every dog on the street knows UFC 100 just broke a million if they were lucky ( Please Dana - allow your numbers open for audit) , the Pretty Boy comes back with 1 m PPV,$52m generated in revenue from the event, over 300 plus cinemas at 80 % capacity for the event and the highest viewership figures ever for a 24/7 episode (p.s what a legendary programme).

My main gripe with Dana White and UFC if they cant mention MMA without having a crack at boxing . I do believe both sports can co- exist and thrive.

Boxing is dying ..... the ppv numbers answer that rhethric

While there is no doubt there are issues in boxing at the minute the sport is in a very healthy state with a golden era of welter weights

roll on cotto v pacman

Rodgrigez

mikethemouth wrote: »

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boxnumbers092509

While every dog on the street knows UFC 100 just broke a million if they were lucky ( Please Dana - allow your numbers open for audit) , the Pretty Boy comes back with 1 m PPV,$52m generated in revenue from the event, over 300 plus cinemas at 80 % capacity for the event and the highest viewership figures ever for a 24/7 episode (p.s what a legendary programme).

My main gripe with Dana White and UFC if they cant mention MMA without having a crack at boxing . I do believe both sports can co- exist and thrive.

Boxing is dying ..... the ppv numbers answer that rhethric

While there is no doubt there are issues in boxing at the minute the sport is in a very healthy state with a golden era of welter weights

roll on cotto v pacman

Well said my friend!!! However love the UFC cant wait for Lesnar -v- Carwin. Some good points there none the less:)

mikethemouth

Rodgrigez wrote: »

Well said my friend!!! However love the UFC cant wait for Lesnar -v- Carwin. Some good points there none the less:)

Many thanks :-)

Well Lesnar is the cash cow now for the UFC. He draws huge interest from the WWE fraternity who will buy the PPV just to watch him. While the guy is a freak (has that Tyson aura about him) i think interest will over time time wane for him. Ultimately he is a wrestler whose style is to stiffle an opponent...his fights wont make for exciting fights imo over time. I do agree though the kid has a big PPV appeal and can sell fights not just to MMA fans but the casual joe soap.

It will be very interesting to see how does Pacquaio and Cotto does ppv wise . Historically speaking Cotto is not a fighter who sells fights even though his fights are usually wars and merited much higher PPV rates. That fight will be quite depenant on pacman going out there and selling the fight. Arum really needs to take a leaf out of golden boy's promotional methods for this fight - really needs to push this fight into the mainstream media.

dlofnep

All this bickering is silly. I love both sports. Combat sports fans should be supporting each sport instead of having pop shots at each other.

mikethemouth

dlofnep wrote: »

All this bickering is silly. I love both sports. Combat sports fans should be supporting each sport instead of having pop shots at each other.

Agreed.

IMO It is however very important that the Boxing communinity constantly monitors the health of it's sport. Since the 1970s Boxing has been marginalised to a minority sport (thats the reality of it) . in the 50s/60s/70s Boxing was one of the big 4 sports in the US ....those days are well and truly over.

While much of this damage was self inflicted no doubt its important that the boxing fraternity realises the threat from UFC and MMA. UFC particularly has savaged Boxing in the press. Ironic that a former failed boxer aka Dana White is the main culprit. While there is no doubting the man's genuis at promoting, its very important that boxing strives to redevelop itself to ensure we remain attractive to the key younger demographics. In this regard boxing has alot to learn from the UFC.

However the myth that constant perpetrates from the MMA camp is that Boxing is a dying sport. This myth needs to be stamped out as in the long run this will damage the sweet science.

dlofnep

Boxing's demise is it's own fault. Too many champions, deminishes the importance of a title. The weight divisions thin up the talent, but I understand from a boxing standpoint why every lb counts.

Look at the heavyweight division - it's stale out. 2 brothers hold the titles, neither will fight each other for an undisputed title. When the heavyweight division doesn't have a "real" champion, it affects the sport. This is true for many other divisions too.

Also, you have some fighters who can't fight each other due to conflicts between management and promoters. This ruins potential blockbusters.

mikethemouth

dlofnep wrote: »

Boxing's demise is it's own fault. Too many champions, deminishes the importance of a title. The weight divisions thin up the talent, but I understand from a boxing standpoint why every lb counts.

Look at the heavyweight division - it's stale out. 2 brothers hold the titles, neither will fight each other for an undisputed title. When the heavyweight division doesn't have a "real" champion, it affects the sport. This is true for many other divisions too.

Also, you have some fighters who can't fight each other due to conflicts between management and promoters. This ruins potential blockbusters.

I agree with all your points. But lets not get off topic. The sport is still in a very healthy place with a golden era of welterweights and the signs are that we will have a golden era of middleweights in a few yrs time.

the last 3 yrs have been boxing most successful PPV wise with some huge fights been made.

while boxing has lost momentum in the States no doubt in terms of participation rates, globally the sport is in a very healthy position. The European boxing scene is as active now as it ever has been with Germany becoming a major power house. In the Far East we have a number of world champs and a certain manny pacquaio. Boxing has seen huge growth in China last 10 ten years - olympics helped raise the profile of this momentom. Central America is still as strong as ever. boxing is thriving globally.

Danye

mikethemouth wrote: »

and the signs are that we will have a golden era of middleweights in a few yrs time.

Not saying we wont, but just as a matter of interest who are these middleweights?

The Sparrow

LOL at this thread. First a few facts from Dave meltzer of Yahoo Sports and The Wrestling Observer who is for my money the most knowleageable MMA journalist.

UFC 100 is expected to finish at somewhere between 1.35 million and 1.65 million PPV buys. And in terms of revenue generated, the total gross revenues from UFC will be a minimum $67 million and could be as much as $78 million. a number that only the biggest boxing events in history have reached.

So fair play to PBF but UFC 100 smoked the Mayweather fight. And UFC in November with Brock/ Carwin and Tito/ Griffin is expected to break another million PPV buys. I hope you will change your thread title to "UFC outdraws Mayweather"

Boxing is not dying. But MMA is fast becoming a more popular sport.

Personally, I'd prefer if each sport was really strong as I love both. Oh and it is quite ironic to hear you give out about Dana always going on about boxing when you start a gloating thread when you get a scrap of information. And incorrect information at that.

mikethemouth

The Sparrow wrote: »

LOL at this thread. First a few facts from Dave meltzer of Yahoo Sports and The Wrestling Observer who is for my money the most knowleageable MMA journalist.

UFC 100 is expected to finish at somewhere between 1.35 million and 1.65 million PPV buys. And in terms of revenue generated, the total gross revenues from UFC will be a minimum $67 million and could be as much as $78 million. a number that only the biggest boxing events in history have reached.

So fair play to PBF but UFC 100 smoked the Mayweather fight. And UFC in November with Brock/ Carwin and Tito/ Griffin is expected to break another million PPV buys. I hope you will change your thread title to "UFC outdraws Mayweather"

Boxing is not dying. But MMA is fast becoming a more popular sport.

Personally, I'd prefer if each sport was really strong as I love both. Oh and it is quite ironic to hear you give out about Dana always going on about boxing when you start a gloating thread when you get a scrap of information. And incorrect information at that.

Kevin Iole of yahoo sports also said the mayweather number could go as high as 1.6m. At the end of the day no one knows what agenda/ties these journalists have with either sport - all we do know is that boxing allows its PPV number up for audit. The UFC is a private company who to this day have yet to confirm or deny their estimated UFC 100 ppv number . The only thing they have confirmed is that they will refuse to allow their figures up for audit. Until that is the case one will never know what kind of figures the UFC is doing . Look at Bob arum ...Arum was making rumblings that Hatton V Paceman figure was over 1.6 m before the official number came out (number came out at 925k). I have no doubt that the UFC do the same with their numbers . Tts simply not in their interest to disclose poor performing PPV numbers. At the end of the day your source for for PPV numbers is a rumour mill called Sherdog , mine is the US inland revenue. In terms of revue generated i have seen articles ranging from 37m to 67 m $ .... no one knows what the sport is doing.

With regard to your point about UFC fast becoming a more popular sport than boxing i find that the most hidious statment i have seen in a while. Whats your rationale for this . What are your parameters for this statement. These are the facts not rumours :
In the UK and Ireland participation rates for boxing are as high as they ever have been. In fact in the UK they have brought back interschools contests which were last contested in the mid-60s.
In China Boxing and far east participation rates has exploded. All other powerhouse support bases are still as active as ever. In the US participation rates have fallen but to suggest particpation rates are higher in MMA rather Boxing is incorrect. On a global scale you cannot compare both sports participation wise.
Viewership figures for boxing globally smash anything that MMA has to offer. Thats the reality of the situation. Boxing events take place week in week out in all corners of the world, for MMA they are generally restricted to the US and Brazil.While i don t disput that MMA popularity has exploded in the last few years - to suggest your sport will soon become more popular than boxing is just plain wrong.....do remember in the 80s Kickboxing went through a similar fad of an explosion in popularity which eventually waned over time... The only sport been affected by the MMA rise is your sister sport WWE.

JoeyJJ

Love both sports, the point about the heavyweight champ not decided does affect boxing heavyweight division however the same can be said for MMA while Brock is UFC champ and it is recognised to have a very strong HW contingent you can't really call anyone the best MMA HW champ until Fedor etc fight in the UFC's best. At least back in 2003 when Pride was at its peak Chuck was allowed in to fight in the Pride GP, can't see Fedor going into a UFC fight with less than a 3 match contract where he gets whatever UFC top names get and not what he got with his latest deal.

In Boxing some boxers would have serious problems fighting another because of promotors and TV deals along with the different world organisations offering belts etc etc.

Both have their problems and they should try to co-exist in harmony.

mikethemouth

agreed about heavyweight devision point. personally i think the Klitschos are extremely under rated but there is no doubt there is an absence of talent in that devision for at least the last 10 years.
UFC has way more talent in their respective sport for that devision but its like comparing apples and oranges. I do see in the next few years though UFC having serious problems holding on to fighters though. Trying to keep that number of fighters under one promotional umbrella while the sport and revenues get bigger will be hard for them. Even at the moment the A list MMA fighters are paid pittance compared to boxings A listers. This split has already happened I suppose to a degree with other MMA promotions starting up.

Agreed about Fedor point - even though personally i dont see him ever hooking up with UFC.

Also agreed about sports co-existing in harmony. I think both sports can continue to grow - one of the key reasons for this I think is that both both sports appeal to different demographics and ethnic minorities.

leddpipe

Dana White speaks ill of boxing?
He started off boxing!
What am I missing....:(

The Sparrow

mikethemouth wrote: »

At the end of the day your source for for PPV numbers is a rumour mill called Sherdog , mine is the US inland revenue. In terms of revue generated i have seen articles ranging from 37m to 67 m $ .... no one knows what the sport is doing.

Where did I mention Sherdog? My facts are from Dave Meltzer who is the only MMA journalist that I would trust. Why should UFC release their figures? They are perfectly entitled not to.

mikethemouth wrote: »

With regard to your point about UFC fast becoming a more popular sport than boxing i find that the most hidious statment i have seen in a while.

Hideous. Really?

It's funny that you started off going on about PPV numbers and when someone challenged boxing's dominance in PPV buys, you start going on about global participation rates. Let's be clear, I'm talking about UFC making more money than professional boxing in the USA. No matter whether you like it or not, UFC draws more more PPV money than boxing.

mikethemouth

Yeh White has a background as an ameteur boxer, but later gave up and never turned pro. He ran a boxing gym in Boston and in fairness to him he set up a boxing program for inner city kids in Boston. Before he got in touch with his old classmates (feritta bros) to buy UFC, he flirted with boxing promoting.In Vegas, he opened several boxing gyms, where he managed a small group of fighters. While managing this bunch of fighters he got back in touch with Lorenza Ferrita who was a member of the Nevada state boxing commission and had serious pull .

After this he was introduced to MMA by a former fighter and signed relatively unknown Lidell and Ortiz to his bunch of fighters. After discussions with the Ferritas the boys agreed to stump up the cash to buy the UFC.

So as you can see Dana White has quite a comprehensive boxing background so I find it disgusting that he cant promote his own sport without slating the sport that introduced him to the fight game.

I will concede though he is one hell of a promoter.

Rodgrigez

mikethemouth wrote: »

. personally i think the Klitschos are extremely under rated but there is no doubt there is an absence of talent in that devision for at least the last 10 years.

Mike some excellant points their kid! You certainly put The Spparow in his place.:D

However I only half agree with ya about the Klitschos. Vitali is good but, Wlad is a chinny oaf afraid of a fight, great with the jab and keeping the fight at a distance. If there was anyone with a shred of talent and adrop of punching power he be KO'd again. The problem with Vitali is injures, one of his two losses - quitting on his stool in the 10th against
Byrd and other a great battle with Lennox Lewis only stopped on a cut, we has doing well up to that pointin the fight. Vitali definately is underated and a victim of the era of Heavyweights. Wlad is lucky he fights in 'The worst era of heavyweight of all time':)

mikethemouth

The UFC are entitled not to release their numbers. BUT Why would they not release them ...tell me that. None of their numbers are official so all your going by is an MMA journalist. For me that dont wash.

Yes extremely hideous ...you make a statement that MMA is becoming more popular than Boxing without a shread of evidence. On a global scale both sports cannot be compared.

I brought up participation rates as you all you do is make generalised statements . Back these up and we can a reasonable debate.

Also do remember PPV wise Boxing has always achieved top spot each year for its premier event over UFC. Also remember that the US is UFC only PPV market .... boxing has multiple global PPV markets - when Hatton fought mayweather he recorded more PPVs in the UK than US. All these PPV discussions need to be speaked about in context. I do concede though the UFC is doing a great job but to suggest the sport is more popular than boxing aint correct in my book. UFC is consistenly selling medicore cards something Boxing aint doing in the US but a high class boxing main event still draws more than a high class UFC main event. but as i say i have serious question marks over the validity of UFC's numbers - might explain why they pay their fighters pittance if their pulling in those numbers. Even this season alone in the states Friday Fight Nights receives 4m viewers on average. TUF receives 1m. Also remember Flyod Mayweather made his name in Boxing. Brock Lesnar made his name in WWE and in 3 fights was world champ....there aint a sport in the world that would allow that ...3 fights !

mikethemouth

Rodgrigez wrote: »

Mike some excellant points their kid! You certainly put The Spparow in his place.:D

However I only half agree with ya about the Klitschos. Vitali is good but, Wlad is a chinny oaf afraid of a fight, great with the jab and keeping the fight at a distance. If there was anyone with a shred of talent and adrop of punching power he be KO'd again. The problem with Vitali is injures, one of his two losses - quitting on his stool in the 10th against
Byrd and other a great battle with Lennox Lewis only stopped on a cut, we has doing well up to that pointin the fight. Vitali definately is underated and a victim of the era of Heavyweights. Wlad is lucky he fights in 'The worst era of heavyweight of all time':)

rodgrigez i completely agree with you about Wlad ....Vitali is a far superiour fighter . Vitali is a class act and is a victim of the times regarding absence of talent. They both have ridiculous jabs though - so straight and powerful. Then again Audley Harrison has a good jab so not sure what one can read into that lol

Iamcharlie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIFCE-YaRcM

sportingflynn

mike the mouth 100 percent spot on.


i love matthew hatton