Interesting preview from Tubridy

Liam Byrne

"We chat to a former Taoiseach"

No mention by name, and no mention of the book.

Was he afraid people would switch off, I wonder ?

dvpower

So, the prince of darkness is on tonight; and Ozzy Osbourne too.

starbelgrade

Liam Byrne wrote: »

"We chat to a former Taoiseach"

No mention by name, and no mention of the book.

Was he afraid people would switch off, I wonder ?

Is it Charles Haughey? That'd be some scoop. The Late Late.. beyond the grave.

Mr.Micro

Is Turgidy betraying his politicial affiliations FF, FF and more FF. What a waste of paper in Ahern's book and he calling it non fiction:rolleyes:

Biggins

Tubridy: I want to your comic. sorry - book Bertie! Is it in the fiction or non-fiction section Bertie? :rolleyes:

DrumSteve

ah bertie... where did it all go wrong.

starbelgrade

Tubridy... "Well, Bertie, how come half the pages are blank?"

paddyland

As I mentioned elsewhere, there are two reputations on the line here tonight, and one must fall. Either Tubridy asks the questions the nation is screaming to ask, or we get another Bertie whitewash.

Either Tubridy makes a name and a reputation for himself tonight, or he loses his credibility in his new prime time slot for good.

Does he rate Bertie's reputation more than his own?

Biggins

starbelgrade wrote: »

Tubridy... "Well, Bertie, how come half the pages are blank?"

Bertie: "I wanted to include pictures of the cheques that I got too - that was my horse winnings of course!"

Liam Byrne

Tubridy's an "entertainment" presenter, though.....

It's curious how neither Ahern nor Cowen was on TLLS while Kenny was presenting it.

Still, Tubridy could possibly do better then the Snots earlier; given his affiliations, I doubt it, but I could be pleasantly surprised....

Liam Byrne

Great start anyway! A VERY MUTED applause at the start as he came out!!!!

"Brian Cowen doing a good job"


FFS:mad:

Liam Byrne

"Since Lehman's went down"

You'd swear they were an Irish bank!!!!

How about "Since Anglo-Irish went down", you asshole ?

Tubridy mentioned that he was warned about the economy, but forgot the infamous "commit suicide" quote!

I've just lost all respect for Tubridy.......

paddyland

Jesus, he seems really rattled! He's like a guy not sure when the shoe is going to come flying across the studio...

Mr.Micro

How will RTE pay Ahern? Brown envelope with Sterling and dollars or a bookies coupon, it certainly wont be a cheque.

This is balls. Tubridy spends a minute on the JOD story and moves onto the book. Why do I watch this cráp?

Liam Byrne

Tubs : "Did he ask you to do anything wrong (context: Haughey)"
Ahern : "No"
Tubs : "Well, you shouldn't have written the cheques"

Slight recovery from Tubs.

Biggins

Papa Smut wrote: »

This is balls. Tubridy spends a minute on the JOD story and moves onto the book. Why do I watch this cráp?

'Cos your still looking for where the value is for your TV licence!
(Welcome to the club!)

Liam Byrne

Mahon Tribunal

Ahern : "If I'd known I'd end up at the Tribunal I'd have done things differently"

Paraphrase : If I'd known I'd get caught, I'd have done it differently; otherwise, no.

And having hit that high, Tubridy changes the subject to Ahern's high point : the GFA.

Absolutely dire! Recovery undermined. Switching off now.

Dannyboy83

V.disappointed by Tubridy's performance there now tonight.
He put in a far better performance against Cowen.

If only it had been Dunphy asking the questions

Dannyboy83

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

If only it had been Dunphy asking the questions

Ahern wouldn't have done the show...

paddyland

Tubridy was mentioned this evening on the Six One News among the highest paid 'stars' of RTE.

He had a chance this evening to mark himself out as something special, and move someway towards being worthy of being among the highest paid. He didn't take it. Perhaps he knows what side his bread is buttered, and wants to be a 'company man.'

Instead, he has marked himself out as a lightweight. He has his money, his job is safe. But he is a lightweight, and I will no longer take him seriously at all. BBC have Ross. We have dross.

Liam Byrne

Actually, I just thought of something...

If you or I broke our leg, would we have to still go to work on crutches, or could we "lie at home, leg up, writing a book" ?

Because that's how the little bollox said the book came about.

Nice to know that we were paying him while he was writing ? Does that mean that we can get some of the profits when it becomes the best-seller (fiction category) ?

Biggins

Just weak, weak, weak drivel.
At this rate the Late Late should be canceled. Rubbish.
What ever happened to the days when serious questions was asked and it wasn't like an extention of the old boys FF club!
Sad...

hallelujajordan

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It's curious how neither Ahern nor Cowen was on TLLS while Kenny was presenting it.

Cowen was on with Kenny at least once (at the beginning of the 2008 season) . . Bertie was on twice that I can remember, probably lots more . .


I'm sure all the anti-FFers and anti-Bertie crew would have loved to see Ryan attack Bertie but while that might be your views it clearly is not the mood of the nation and Tubridy would have done himself no favours attacking Aherne. . .

All in all I thought it was a very balanced interview . . He asked him about the property bubble and why he didn't see it coming . . he asked him about the Galway tent . . he asked him about the dig-outs, the cheques he wrote for Haughey . . He might not have gone for the jugular but he didn't shy away from anything.

Interesting to see the reaction Bertie got from the audience, lots of laughs, lots of cheers . . generally lots of support !

hallelujajordan

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Actually, I just thought of something...

If you or I broke our leg, would we have to still go to work on crutches, or could we "lie at home, leg up, writing a book" ?

Because that's how the little bollox said the book came about.

Nice to know that we were paying him while he was writing ? Does that mean that we can get some of the profits when it becomes the best-seller (fiction category) ?

For good sake, the man broke his leg !!

One thing you cannot accuse Bertie Aherne of is not working hard. . Do you remember when the GFA was signed, Bertie Aherne was up all night negotiating with the unionists. The next morning, he drove back to Dublin to bury his mother . . Later that same evening he was back in Belfast sitting around the negotiation table. The man has an incredible work ethic, regardless of how you feel about him or his policies !

Liam Byrne

hallelujajordan wrote: »

it clearly is not the mood of the nation

Are you actually typing from planet Bertie ?

hallelujajordan wrote: »

He asked him about the property bubble and why he didn't see it coming . . he asked him about the Galway tent . . he asked him about the dig-outs, the cheques he wrote for Haughey

Hang on a sec. Bertie bull****ted and joked his way through every answer.

Economics - mention Lehman; joke about economists changing their predictions every day.....DEFINITELY warranted a mention of the suicide remark

Haughey - cue joke about how Bertie didn't like the shirts - HA, ****ing, HA....hilarious - NOT!

Dig-outs - [paraphrased answer] If I could have gotten away with it and not ended up at a Tribunal, I would.

hallelujajordan wrote: »

He might not have gone for the jugular but he didn't shy away from anything.

Shy away : suicide comment
Shy away : signing cheques - "It's no laughing matter, Taoiseach"
Cop out : when Bertie said that O'D had no choice, Tubridy started to ask the Taoiseach's ACTUAL opinion as to whether he thought he SHOULD HAVE gone, and then chickened out

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Interesting to see the reaction Bertie got from the audience, lots of laughs, lots of cheers . . generally lots of support !

Planet Bertie again..... :rolleyes:

Liam Byrne

hallelujajordan wrote: »

For good sake, the man broke his leg !!

No argument here. So your point is ?

I'll ask the question that I already asked AGAIN, just in case the connection to Planet Bertie is dodgy.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

If you or I broke our leg, would we have to still go to work on crutches ?

The answer is a definitive YES.

nacho libre

I guess Tubridy was affected by the criticism he got in the wake of the Cowen interview. He really should have nailed Ahern on that moaner comment when Ahern started saying he got no warnings on the economy. i love the way he uses humour and the self- deprecating routine to deflect criticism and when the going really gets tough he rabbits on awkwardly and pleads innocence and naivety. Haughey was right about him anyway.

hallelujajordan

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Are you actually typing from planet Bertie ?



Hang on a sec. Bertie bull****ted and joked his way through every answer.

Economics - mention Lehman; joke about economists changing their predictions every day.....DEFINITELY warranted a mention of the suicide remark

Haughey - cue joke about how Bertie didn't like the shirts - HA, ****ing, HA....hilarious - NOT!

Dig-outs - [paraphrased answer] If I could have gotten away with it and not ended up at a Tribunal, I would.



Shy away : suicide comment
Shy away : signing cheques - "It's no laughing matter, Taoiseach"
Cop out : when Bertie said that O'D had no choice, Tubridy started to ask the Taoiseach's ACTUAL opinion as to whether he thought he SHOULD HAVE gone, and then chickened out



Planet Bertie again..... :rolleyes:

I'm sure if you were doing the interview you would have attacked him and blamed him for everything that is happening to the country. . The reality is that while this is a very populist view right now, it wasn't a couple of years ago at the last GE and it wasn't for the previous 12 years when FF was in government and we were all enjoying the tax breaks and the SSIA's.

By the way, Tubridy didn't shy away from the JO'D question . . he clearly pushed it as far as he could and even summarised how he got the impression that Bertie felt he shouldn't have resigned. .

No argument here. So your point is ?

I'll ask the question that I already asked AGAIN, just in case the connection to Planet Bertie is dodgy.

Bertie Aherne was returned to Dail Eireann as Leader of FF and had previously spent 12 years working hard for the country and for his party. When he resigned, his role in DE was no more that having a vote when needed. Regardless of the broken leg, I believe he was entitled to take it easy (and I believe the majority of the constituents who voted for him would agree with me)

old boy

how come someone with such a bad memory can write a book.

funnyname

hallelujajordan wrote: »

I believe he was entitled to take it easy (and I believe the majority of the constituents who voted for him would agree with me)

With that attitude no wonder this country is going down the pan.

Liam Byrne

hallelujajordan wrote: »

I believe he was entitled to take it easy (and I believe the majority of the constituents who voted for him would agree with me)

So you've no objection to paying him €833 a day to do SFA, at a time where he would be capable of being in work ?

And no objection to letting him earn other money by writing a book while you're doing so ?

hallelujajordan

Liam Byrne wrote: »

So you've no objection to paying him €833 a day to do SFA, at a time where he would be capable of being in work ?

And no objection to letting him earn other money by writing a book while you're doing so ?

I believe there are more important matters in politics to get worked up about than how many hours Bertie spends in Dail Eireann and i have no objection to him writing a book right now. I will enjoy reading it !

Liam Byrne

hallelujajordan wrote: »

I believe there are more important matters in politics to get worked up about than how many hours Bertie spends in Dail Eireann and i have no objection to him writing a book right now.

And how, exactly, do you propose that those matters get "dealt with" if the people that we're paying to deal with them don't bother turning up for work ? :rolleyes:

Mind you, I suppose phoning work and saying "I've broken my leg and so I'm going to doss" is a little better than phoning work and saying "I can't come in because a tribunal is investigating me for dodgy payments; I've made up 4 different stories and they don't believe me. Oh, and then I'm going to have to go to the tax office to get sort out my tax clearance" :rolleyes:

bauderline

Since when has the Late Late Show been a hardcore current affairs show ? I am not expecting Turbidy to turn the show into something its not meant to be, moreover I would guess Turbidy pushed the questions as far as he could last night within the parameters that had been set.

You would near think that audience was hand picked though, the reaction of the audience was anything but hostile..... curious....

hallelujajordan

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And how, exactly, do you propose that those matters get "dealt with" if the people that we're paying to deal with them don't bother turning up for work ? :rolleyes:

Mind you, I suppose phoning work and saying "I've broken my leg and so I'm going to doss" is a little better than phoning work and saying "I can't come in because a tribunal is investigating me for dodgy payments; I've made up 4 different stories and they don't believe me. Oh, and then I'm going to have to go to the tax office to get sort out my tax clearance" :rolleyes:

If you really believe that matters in Dail Eireann will not get 'dealt with' or will even move more slowly because of the absence of Bertie Aherne then I think you do not understand how Dail Eireann works. I'm pretty confident that if you compared Berties parliamentary presence to that of other ex-Taoisigh you would see a similar pattern regardless of the broken leg.

The fact is that the only people who might suffer from his absence are those who voted for him in Dublin central. I'm guessing your not one of those people. I'm pretty sure that when he answers to those people (as all politicians do) at the next election they will continue to give him the same vote of confidence that they have for the last 25-odd years.

hallelujajordan

bauderline wrote: »

Since when has the Late Late Show been a hardcore current affairs show ? I am not expecting Turbidy to turn the show into something its not meant to be, moreover I would guess Turbidy pushed the questions as far as he could last night within the parameters that had been set.

You would near think that audience was hand picked though, the reaction of the audience was anything but hostile..... curious....

I agree . . I think the show hit exactly the tone that you would expect and I think Tubridy did an excellent job. I think there are a lot of people (especially on here) who overestimate the negativity of public feeling towards Bertie . .

Berti Vogts

hallelujajordan wrote: »

I agree . . I think the show hit exactly the tone that you would expect and I think Tubridy did an excellent job. I think there are a lot of people (especially on here) who overestimate the negativity of public feeling towards Bertie . .

Well, the more that articles like the one below are published, the more public feeling is going to turn against Ahern.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6851009.ece

Former taoiseach Bertie Ahern has defended Fianna Fail’s schmoozing of property developers at the party’s fundraising tent at the Galway Races and says he feels sorry for builders who have “lost their shirts” in the recession.

Ahern has described his developer friend Sean Dunne’s plans for a diamond-shaped skyscraper in Ballsbridge as “imaginative”. Ahern said: “He’s lost a lot of money on it. Sean’s just one of the guys. I know a lot of them, like [Jimmy] Flynn, [Noel] O’Flaherty and the Baileys.

“You meet the Baileys at Croke Park every time you go there. You can’t avoid getting a slap on the back going in from them. Most of these guys lost their shirt. I feel sorry for them. You know, they employed 270,000 people in the Irish economy.”

hallelujajordan

Possibilities wrote: »

Well, the more that articles like the one below are published, the more public feeling is going to turn against Ahern.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6851009.ece

Former taoiseach Bertie Ahern has defended Fianna Fail’s schmoozing of property developers at the party’s fundraising tent at the Galway Races and says he feels sorry for builders who have “lost their shirts” in the recession.

Ahern has described his developer friend Sean Dunne’s plans for a diamond-shaped skyscraper in Ballsbridge as “imaginative”. Ahern said: “He’s lost a lot of money on it. Sean’s just one of the guys. I know a lot of them, like [Jimmy] Flynn, [Noel] O’Flaherty and the Baileys.

“You meet the Baileys at Croke Park every time you go there. You can’t avoid getting a slap on the back going in from them. Most of these guys lost their shirt. I feel sorry for them. You know, they employed 270,000 people in the Irish economy.”

I don't think such stories make a jot of difference to how Bertie is regarded by the public and I think that was evident during his performance on the late late show last night. Bertie is one of the most charismatic politicians this country has ever seen and I don't think his popularity will ever wane. For instance, during the 2007 General Election, he was up to his neck in the Mahon tribunal. He had huge media pressure on him, the stories of dig-outs etc were all in the papers at the time yet still he topped the poll in what is a working class constituency with almost 2 quota's. I liken his popularity to that of Bill Clinton. He has a way of bringing the public on side and that was on show during the Late Late last night.

Ultimately, we will probably get to judge this for ourselves in a couple of years time at the next presidential election . . . Paddy Powers have him as second favourite at 4/1

funnyname

hallelujajordan wrote: »

The fact is that the only people who might suffer from his absence are those who voted for him in Dublin central. I'm guessing your not one of those people. I'm pretty sure that when he answers to those people (as all politicians do) at the next election they will continue to give him the same vote of confidence that they have for the last 25-odd years.

Why doesn't he just quit, cause a by-election and give the people of Dublin Central a chance to vote for someone who will look after their needs rather than spend time doing the media rounds and doing a deservice to the people of Ireland by giving his sporting opinions for a rag of a newspaper.

hallelujajordan

funnyname wrote: »

Why doesn't he just quit, cause a by-election and give the people of Dublin Central a chance to vote for someone who will look after their needs rather than spend time doing the media rounds and doing a deservice to the people of Ireland by giving his sporting opinions for a rag of a newspaper.

If you believe that the people of Dublin Central would rather have a by election to replace a man with Bertie's stature and influence with someone else, then you're codding yourself. If Bertie were to run again in the next election he would top the poll again, regardless of how much time he spends in DE.

paddyland

hallelujajordan wrote: »

I think there are a lot of people (especially on here) who overestimate the negativity of public feeling towards Bertie . .

It's that lack of negativity among too much of the public that has this country deep in the mire in the first place.

If people were less interested in getting tax breaks and handouts and payrises and personal aggrandisement, and more interested in the good of the country as a whole, we would have a lovely country.

Alas, there will always be a big vote for snake oil, whoever offers it.

funnyname

hallelujajordan wrote: »

If you believe that the people of Dublin Central would rather have a by election to replace a man with Bertie's stature and influence with someone else, then you're codding yourself. If Bertie were to run again in the next election he would top the poll again, regardless of how much time he spends in DE.

He's elected to do a job for the people not himself and more fool the people who'd vote for a "man of his stature".

hallelujajordan

paddyland wrote: »

It's that lack of negativity among too much of the public that has this country deep in the mire in the first place.

If people were less interested in getting tax breaks and handouts and payrises and personal aggrandisement, and more interested in the good of the country as a whole, we would have a lovely country.

Alas, there will always be a big vote for snake oil, whoever offers it.

I agree wholeheartedly and have said so in other threads here . . We are where we are because of the general greed of the nation throughout the boom years. . We all wanted (and voted for) a bigger piece of the pie and now we all have to pay for it.

hallelujajordan

funnyname wrote: »

He's elected to do a job for the people not himself and more fool the people who'd vote for a "man of his stature".

Irish politics is parochial and the Irish electorate will always vote for the more well known, politically powerful people who will make things happen for their area regardless of how much time they spend legislating in Dail Eireann . . .

Witness the reaction in Kerry to JO'D this week. IF he runs in the next GE he will almost certainly be returned to the Dail. Look at Michael Lowry for goodness sake !

My point is this . . those people who say (on here) that Bertie Aherne should resign or be vilified because he does not spend enough time sitting in the back benches debating legislation clearly have no understanding of Irish politics.

By the way . . I think its a little rich to call the electorate fools just because they dont agree with you !

funnyname

hallelujajordan wrote: »

By the way . . I think its a little rich to call the electorate fools just because they dont agree with you !

They be foolish to return a man who didn't represent them properly in DE, better off with someone who will fight their corner rather than a Mé Féiner.

Still that's all hypotectical as Berite might be in the Áras by the time the next election rolls around.

hallelujajordan

funnyname wrote: »

They be foolish to return a man who didn't represent them properly in DE, better off with someone who will fight their corner rather than a Mé Féiner.

Still that's all hypotectical as Berite might be in the Áras by the time the next election rolls around.

Is it not up to them (and not you) to decide whether or not he represents them properly and to reflect that decision in the ballot box ?

jimmmy

paddyland wrote: »

Tubridy was mentioned this evening on the Six One News among the highest paid 'stars' of RTE.

He had a chance this evening to mark himself out as something special, and move someway towards being worthy of being among the highest paid. He didn't take it. Perhaps he knows what side his bread is buttered, and wants to be a 'company man.'

Instead, he has marked himself out as a lightweight. He has his money, his job is safe. But he is a lightweight, and I will no longer take him seriously at all. BBC have Ross. We have dross.

True enough, and Ahern got away with murder. eg he said there was only 30 to 40 thousand empty houses in the country. Why did Tubs let him get away with that when the real figure is much higher is it not ?

Wexler12

He was supposed to give Cowan a grilling and dosent then that idiot goes on last night and gets away with ruining the country?? He should **** off to England and support his favourite ''soccer'' team

Jaysoose

Tubbers should have asked him the following questions....

"why if you had nothing to hide did you stand down due to mahon tribunal? surely if you were doing such a great job you should have stayed on instead of handing the reins to a man incapable of doing basic maths when minister for finance"

"Why did you allow the unions to dictate benchmarking"

"Why did you allow the countries finances to become dependant on an unsustainable property bubble and tell people who questioned this to commit suicide"

"why did you allow public spending to reach levels that were completely unsustainable"


Piss weak interview by tubbers pandering to this disgrace of a man.