ISIA (Irish) and NZ Ski Certs

Hey guys,

I am just wondering if you lads can share your view on this. I showed this: http://www.nzsia.net/ski/qualifications/levelthree/ to a a level 2 irish instructor in Kilternan and he said he couldn't believe how bad the standard is for level 3 NZ (highest standard before doing further coaches coaching etc) and that it's what they do in level 1 basically in Kilternan minus one or two things. NZ say (obviously) that it makes you very employable around the world.

What are your thoughts on this ? I was a bit surprised by this but he knows better than I do since he has done the Kilternan coaching and I have not...any thoughts ?

If you click on the link I posted, there is a level 3 video of what needs to be done.

Is the Irish ski standard really that much higher ?

Fattes

First things first the qualification is only a guide. It is the person with it that is the important factor

With the exception of the Outside edge skiing and the 180 to switch all of that is included in the IASI level 1 and

If the videos there are the standard a couple of those guys would be getting negative feedback in relation to their Stems especially ono the jump turns and the bracquage (The first video) is not actually up to the level 1 IASI standard:eek:

The carving for Iasi is on all terrain at level 2 not just piste.

The level 2 Iasi standard includs the ability to ski bumps and variables and the level 3 has bumps and variables on 35 + degree pitches.



Based on the vidoes and the web description about 60% of the IASI level 1 guys are equivelant to this standard and all the level 2 guys would probably be above it.

robinph

That braquage, or "puvut slups" as they call them in NZ, was pretty bad demo alright.

Having done all but the exam of the IASI level 1 course and also passed the NZSIA level 1, they are very similar indeed. The NZSIA only takes the teaching up as far as wedge turns though where the IASI one teaches a bit further. NZSIA level 1 does cover teaching on snow though whilst the IASI level one is artificial surfaces only.

As for the standard of skiing that you need to be at, it is probably pretty similar. Some people were caught out by the snow/ weather conditions during our level one exam in NZ, other than a bit of rain though that wouldn't be an issue at Killternan.

robinph

Fattes wrote: »

With the exception of the Outside edge skiing and the 180 to switch all of that is included in the IASI level 1

It is not tested though in the IASI level 1, just shown as demos and practice exercises.

Fattes

Guys here is the IASI standards

http://www.iasisnowsports.ie/downloads/IASI-Outcome-Standards.pdf

Bracquage is tested at level 1 IASI but you do not need to have it perfected, One legged skiing in various forms is part of the assement and has to be acquired

The way the assses it is by making trainees provide Demos and exercises and asses the standard they are at for the exercise and drill

To pass you will have to have acquired: by acquired they mean perfect and done without thinking

Core Skier
-Straight Running
-Plough Turns
-Plough Parallel
-Parallel
One Legged Skiing

Practice, Meaning you can do it but have to think about it.
Carving
Bracquage (On one ski both uphill and downhill has become a regular drill)
Short Radius

Interesting stuff. Thanks for that.