Hell In A Cell Aftermath Discussion. RESULTS INSIDE

JP Liz

Just reading the results Orton and Taker won :eek:

krudler

Was a pretty pointless ppv, Tag title match was great, as was Morrisson/Ziggler and the triple threat, but the main events sucked big time, Punk jobbing to Taker in the opening match? Cena no selling the punt after a few mins, this is the same punt that put people out of action for weeks and SuperCena is up 2 mins later and not selling it, Orton must have been pissed after it with him. HHH was barely in the main event leavin Shawn to get a kicking for most of it, and the ppv buried the HIAC gimmick, the only match it was involved in was the main event, the other 2 could have been standard matches for the amount of spots the cell as used for

rossie1977

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

yeah dont like seing the title being passed about so much but atleast they really made Orton look strong tonight.

on ppv they always make orton look superstrong against cena this past 18 months, their matches together:

WM24 orton pins cena clean
Backlash orton pins cena clean
NOC orton pins cena clean
Summerslam orton pins cena 3 times in one match
breaking point orton beats the crap out of cena for 20 mins but cena wins
HAIC orton pins cena for the 7th time on ppv since april 2008, in that time cena has pinned orton once on ppv........

rossie1977

krudler wrote: »

Was a pretty pointless ppv, Tag title match was great, as was Morrisson/Ziggler and the triple threat, but the main events sucked big time, Punk jobbing to Taker in the opening match? Cena no selling the punt after a few mins, this is the same punt that put people out of action for weeks and SuperCena is up 2 mins later and not selling it, Orton must have been pissed after it with him.

i would say orton was more pissed at his own botch of a punt that didn't even touch cena, note the commentators saying "he didn't get the usual power behind the kick"

Dime101

That was probably the worst set of cells ive ever seen in my life.Orton v Cena was a joke.Plus there were no "devastating moves really,or blood.

When Ziggler v Morrison is the best match of the night you know something is wrong.

What should have been the best event of the year turned out to be the worst event in history.I want my 10r back!

Bounty Hunter

krudler wrote: »

the ppv buried the HIAC gimmick, the only match it was involved in was the main event, the other 2 could have been standard matches for the amount of spots the cell as used for

This really stood out for me too I really cant remember any spots in the title matches involving the cell atleast not any significant & memorable ones.

rossie1977 wrote: »

on ppv they always make orton look superstrong against cena this past 18 months, their matches together....

breaking point orton beats the crap out of cena for 20 mins but cena wins

I guess I just was thinking of the Breaking point match where i thought he looked weak as despite the 20mins of dominance he tapped almost immediately while SuperCena refused to tap time and time again during the match.

CM Punk/Taker: Dissapointing
Orton/Cena: good match but below average considering it was a HIAC imo
Kofi/Miz/Swagger: Good match, not too memorable though, but enjoyed it at the time
Morrison/Ziggler: very good match
Jerishow/Batista&Rey: much better than i had expected
Drew/R-Truth: Should have been much earlier on the card, because of how late it was it kinda became a piss break match
Mickie/Fox: This was when i made food, someone commented that Mickie aint what she used to be.
DX/Legacy: I liked this and Legacy were good again but it did stand out how for the 2nd ppv in a row Shawn took a beating while HHH did nothing for the majority of the fight.

rossie1977

Dime101 wrote: »

That was probably the worst set of cells ive ever seen in my life.Orton v Cena was a joke.Plus there were no "devastating moves really,or blood.

welcome to 2009, blading is not allowed in wwe anymore so don't expect to see blood anytime soon unless its a real cut, there hasn't been big spots in HIAC matches for years, the days of crazy people like mick foley jumping off the cage are over, i can't believe anyone expected something like that last night, there were no big spots in edge/takers HIAC at summerslam last year either

on the orton point, i don't thinking beating the crap out of someone makes you look weak, in that match he was booked as being too cocky and paid for his cockiness, he has looked weak against batista and hhh in the past but at breaking point he looked strong imo despite the finish, does cena not look weak now getting pinned by a punt that didn't even connect???

krudler

rossie1977 wrote: »

welcome to 2009, blading is not allowed in wwe anymore so don't expect to see blood anytime soon unless its a real cut, there hasn't been big spots in HIAC matches for years, the days of crazy people like mick foley jumping off the cage are over, i can't believe anyone expected something like that last night, there were no big spots in edge/takers HIAC at summerslam last year either

on the orton point, i don't thinking beating the crap out of someone makes you look weak, in that match he was booked as being too cocky and paid for his cockiness, he has looked weak against batista and hhh in the past but at breaking point he looked strong imo despite the finish, does cena not look weak now getting pinned by a punt that didn't even connect???

They wasted the spot on the roof on Raw last week, they could have had that for last night to give the "big spot with hint of danger" touch to the match

Endaaaagh

Any chance of someone posting detailed results? I stopped spending money on box office a while back. Who won the DX/ Legacey match??

JP Liz

WWE Hell In A Cell Opener:

The video package airs, highlighting the three main event Hell In A Cell matches. The pyro explodes and Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler run down the RAW card. Todd Grisham and Jim Ross run down the SmackDown! card, including a video package of the history between Undertaker and CM Punk, starting with the screwjob at the Breaking Point PPV.

Hell In A Cell
(World Title):
-CM Punk (c) vs. The Undertaker Match immediately goes to the outside of the ring. Undertaker slamming Punk into the cage a lot early. Punk runs back in the ring to avoid Taker. Taker chases him in, Punk goes outside the ropes and is on the apron. Taker with a running boot that knocks Punk off the cage, where he blasts the cage back-first. Taker goes out after Punk after a few moments and Punk slams the steel steps into Taker. Taker is down now, selling his knees. Punk smells blood and is on the attack. Both guys are battling on the apron now and Taker launches Punk shoulder-first into the cage. Taker back on the offense now but still selling a bad leg injury. Taker drops a legdrop across Punk's throat on the ring apron. Taker continues to sell his leg injury. Punk is in the ring now with Taker coming back in. Punk hits a running dropkick on Taker as he's entering the ring, knocking him to the floor. Punk hits the ropes and does a dive over the ropes, smashing Taker into the cage. Back in the ring now Punk and Taker are trading punches and headbutts as the crowd starts to really get into the action. Taker with a big boot and a leg drop. He tries a pin but only gets two. He's back up now and signaling for the chokeslam. He slaps the hand on Punk's throat but Punk kicks Taker in his bad leg. Punk goes to the floor and pulls a steel chair out from under the ring. He goes in the ring and blasts Taker with it and immediately covers him for a pin. Taker kicks out at two. Taker hits a Last Ride out of nowhere and tries a pin, but this time Punk kicks out at two. Taker goes for "Old School" now. He walks the ropes but Punk pulls him down and lands a knee to the mid-section. Taker hits a big boot on a chair into Punk's face. He chokeslams Punk. He picks him up now for the Tombstone and hits it. He covers Punk and gets the clean victory to become the new World champion.
Winner and NEW World champion: The Undertaker
Intercontinental Title:
-John Morrison (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler For the second straight match the champion has entered before the challenger. In the last match, the title changed. Let's see if that's a pattern tonight. Morrison is in the ring now as the cage is lifted back in the ceiling. Ziggler is in now and our I-C title bout is officially underway. Lots of mat-wrestling with reversals and pin attempts to start the match off. Really good match, almost impossible to keep up with. Morrison with some undescribable moves/spots while Ziggler dominated offense for the most part. Finish came when Morrison finally hit the Starship Pain finisher, after several failed previous attempts.
Winner and STILL Intercontinental champion: John Morrison

Josh Matthews Interviews Batista & Rey Mysterio
Backstage, Josh Matthews is with Batista. Matthews goes to introduce Rey Mysterio, but Batista takes the mic and tells Matthews to get lost. He introduces Mysterio and tells Matthews now he can do his interview. He asks about when they were WWE tag-champions. Mysterio talks about how they'll become Unified tag champions tonight. Batista says Jericho and Big Show have never defeated them and agrees he and Mysterio will become tag-champs tonight.
In The Arena: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Four people dressed up in full Ninja Turtles costumes are shown dancing in the audience. This leads us to a clip of the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles video game. PG baby, PG. Michael Cole even passionately let out a "cowabunga!"
Divas Title:
-Mickie James (c) vs. Alicia Fox

Lots of back and forth action early on. Nothing too terrible so far. Fox hits a northern lights suplex and tries a pin, but Mickie kicks out at two. Mickie hits a sloppy DDT on Fox now and covers her. She gets the pin to retain the Divas title. Winner and STILL Divas champion: Mickie James
Unified Tag-Team Titles:
-Chris Jericho & Big Show vs. Rey Mysterio & Batista
Mysterio and Jericho starting things off. Both guys trade some offense. Jericho tags in Big Show. Mysterio teases a tag to Batista, but takes on Big Show himself instead. Show dominating the piss out of Mysterio now. After lots of offense from Show and Jericho, Mysterio finally makes the hot tag to Batista. Batista is cleaning house now. After some Batista domination, Jericho hits the Codebreaker out of nowhere. He tags Big Show back in. Big Show and Jericho take turns working over Batista until he makes the hot tag to Mysterio. Mysterio with a big DDT on Big Show. Cool spot where Jericho is thrown to the floor, but Big Show catches him. However, Batista nails him with a spear causing both men to crash to the floor. Mysterio hits the 619 on Big Show and goes for the follow up, but Big Show nails him with a knockout punch for the pin and victory.
Winners and STILL Unified Tag-Team champions: Chris Jericho & Big Show

Hell In A Cell
(WWE Title):
-John Cena (c) vs. Randy Orton
Orton gets a mixed reaction coming out. Cena is pretty much **** on. Cena smiles to acknowledge the reaction he got. And our WWE title Hell In A Cell bout is underway. Loud "Cena sucks" chant early, followed by "Let's go Orton" chants. After some early fire offense, Orton slows things down and is in control of the action now as an "RKO" chant breaks out. Definitely an anti-Cena crowd. Orton rams Cena into the ringside steps on the floor. Orton has Cena back in the ring now and is setting him up for the punt but Cena avoids. He knocks Orton down with some shoulder blocks as the crowd starts boo'ing. Cena tells Orton who he can't see and hits the ropes for the 5 Knuckle Shuffle. He hits it on him as the crowd ****s all over the spot. Cena has Orton up for the Attitude Adjustment now but Orton slides down the back and escapes out of the ring, pulling Cena's throat down over the top rope in the process. Orton has Cena draped across the middle rope and hits his DDT spot he likes to do. Orton sets up Cena for the RKO but Cena avoids it and hoists Orton up for the Attitude Adjustment. He hits it this time and immediately covers Orton, but Orton kicks out at two. Cena looks noticably disappointed. Cena tries going for the Attitude Adjustment on the top rope, but Orton escapes and has Cena up. He hits an electric chair and is now in control of the offense again. Cena momentarily gets some shots in until he tries a big legdrop off the top rope and misses. Orton now with the slow-moving eyes thing as he creeps around at ringside. He goes under the ring and pulls out a steel chair. He's still creepy-eyeball'ing Cena as he gets back in the ring and picks up the chair. He hits Cena in the back of the neck in a stabbing motion with the chair as Cole reminds us that Cena is a year removed from neck surgery. And another shot the same way by Orton followed by a nearfall. Out of nowhere, Cena slaps the STF on Orton. Orton tries crawling to the ropes but the hold won't be broken anyways. He makes it to the ropes and the ref tells him that means nothing. Orton trying to crawl completely out of the ring now. Cena eventually lets it go. He grabs Orton's legs but Orton pushes Cena into the ref. The ref is down now and Cena locks in the STF on Orton again. Orton is tapping out but the ref can't see it. Cena helps the ref back in the ring. He turns around and Orton hits the RKO. Orton tries a pin but Cena kicks out at two. Orton looks distraught now. Orton tangles Cena's arms up in the ropes now, leaving him defenseless. Orton slaps a choke on Cena and is choking the life out of him as the announcers question if this is legal. Obviously it is. Orton continues to choke away. He lets go and Cena's head drops, as he's still tied up in the ropes. Ref untangles Cena from the ropes and he falls face-first onto the mat. We have a close up as Cena tries getting up and Orton punts him. The only thing is, he missed by a mile and the camera was RIGHT in on it for us to see. They end the match on that spot anyway, with Orton getting the clean pinfall to become the new WWE champion.
Winner and NEW WWE champion: Randy Orton
Josh Matthews Interviews R-Truth Josh Matthews is backstage with R-Truth. He introduces a video package of their history on SmackDown. We return after the video and Matthews asks how he feels about finally going one-on-one with Drew McIntyre. R-Truth says now it's time for the moment of truth. He talks about how he's been disrespected by McIntyre one time too many. He says here in the U.S. to get respect, you gotta earn it. He finishes with his that's the truth speech.

R-Truth vs. Drew McIntyre
And now it's time for our dark match, I mean our sixth match of the night. R-Truth comes out with his rapping and "what's up?" chants on the live mic. McIntyre hits the ring as JR describes him as a future World champion. Lots of "booring" chants from the crowd, despite the actual in-ring action being pretty good. This just feels like a "who cares?" match at this point. McIntyre hits a double-underhook DDT for the clean pinfall victory in his WWE PPV debut.
Winner: Drew McIntyre

Backstage: Tension Between Randy Orton & Legacy?
Backstage we see a close-up of the WWE title. The camera pans up and Orton looks exhauted. Legacy walks in and tells him how great what he did was. He says after they take out D-X they should all go out on the town tonight. Orton looks beat up and says even if you win, in Hell In A Cell you come out a different person. Legacy continues to talk with over-confidence as Orton keeps looking around like they don't know what they're talking about. Rhodes tells Orton he's starting to look beat up like his old man. Orton tells them he has no idea what they're in for. He tells Rhodes "by the way, I'm not your old man. I'm the WWE champion." Orton says if he were them, he'd listen when Orton talks. DiBiase says they shouldn't underestimate them and Legacy walks off as Orton looks confused.
United States Title:
-Kofi Kingston (c) vs. The Miz vs. Jack Swagger Miz comes out first with a microphone. He says tonight he will become the U.S. champion. He says the only problem is he's going to win it here in Newark, New Jersey. "Boo." Miz wants to quote his good friend Conan O'Brien who said all sewers lead to Newark. He says it makes sense - why else would the Ninja Turtles be here? He pleads for the Mayor to ban him from this city forever so he has an excuse never to come back. Lots of double team action as Swagger and Miz are strangely enough getting along and joining up in taking out Kingston. Miz finally turns first, taking out Swagger with a clothesline. Finish came when Swagger hit the gut-wrench powerbomb on Miz. Kingston then immediately hits Swagger with the Trouble In Paradise kick and gets the pinfall to retain his title.
Winner and STILL U.S. champion: Kofi Kingston
Hell In A Cell
-D-Generation X vs. Legacy

D-X makes their entrance, tossing out glow sticks, etc. and are attacking by Legacy. Rhodes and DiBiase attack HHH and HBK before they even enter the cage. The fight is ongoing now outside the cage on the floor. D-X finally gets the upper hand and clears off one of the announce tables. They pick up Cody Rhodes and double suplex him on the table but it doesn't break. DiBiase comes out of nowhere and smashes HHH into the cage. He's working over HBK now. He takes HHH and dumps him into the first row. DiBiase suplexes HHH back over the barricade and onto the floor. On the other side of the cage is HBK and Rhodes fighting. HBK whiips Rhodes into the barricade hard. HHH and DiBiase are fighting way up in the crowd on one side of the arena while HBK and Rhodes now make their way into the crowd on the other side. Rhodes grabs the chain they use to lock the door and whacks HBK in the knee with it. He runs up the ramp, where HHH and DiBiase are now fighting, and blasts HHH with it too. Now it's a two on one attack on HHH as Legacy double-DDTs him on the ramp. Rhodes hits the Cross-Rhodes on HHH on the steel ramp now. They both go down now to double-team HBK, who is at ringside leaning against the cell. Rhodes holds HBK's leg against the inside of the doorway of the steel cage. DiBiase slams the cage door on his leg twice. Rhodes grabs the chain and locks HBK in the cell with both members of Legacy, as HHH is still out on the ramp. The cage door is locked shut now and HHH has no way inside. Legacy continues the assault on HBK as the bell rings to make the match official. The crowd boo's at that. HBK crawls to his feet as both Legacy members are standing on each side waiting for him. HBK looks scared. Legacy begins the double-team on HBK inside the ring now. HHH is shown still laid out at the top of the ramp. Legacy working a lot on the leg of HBK that they slammed in the cage door earlier. We see HHH struggling to his feet now. He's trying to walk down the ramp but keeps falling down in his attempt because he's still hurt, etc. Legacy continues to beatdown HBK outside the ring now, but still locked inside the cell. Rhodes slingshots HBK face-first into the cage. HHH is finally crawling to the cage now. He doesn't seem to notice that he's locked out yet. DiBiase and Rhodes taunt HHH now who is shaking the cage like a madman because he's locked out and can't get in. Meanwhile HBK runs into Rhodes on the apron and he smashes into the cell hard on the way down. HBK now taking it to DiBiase in the ring, hopping around on one leg selling the injury still. HBK hits Sweet Chin Music on DiBiase and tries a pin but Rhodes breaks it up. Rhodes now whacks HBK in the back with a chair. Rhodes goes back to work on HBK's injured leg. HHH has a chair now and is smashing it into the lock/chain on the door. DiBiase continues to taunt him from inside the cell. HHH gets real pissed but calms down and walks away to the back. Legacy continues their attack on HBK. They scream in his face that his partner left him. HBK looks pitiful with one of his facial-acting jobs. Legacy continues slamming HBK into the cell. Rhodes holds a chair and DiBiase dropkicks it hard into HBK's face. Legacy puts the same double-submission on the ring-post that they used at Breaking Point to make him tap out. HHH is coming back out to the ring now with bolt cutters. He cuts the chain off and finally gets in the cell. He throws DiBiase out of the ring. He hits a knee lift on Rhodes. Knee drop on DiBiase. HHH throws Rhodes into DiBiase. HHH with a spinebuster on Rhodes onto a chair. He goes to pedigree Rhodes on a chair but DiBiase makes the save. HBK is back up now and attacks DiBiase. He throws him out of the ring. A ref comes down and tries locking the cage door shut again. HHH grabs the chain from him and wraps it around his wrist. The door isn't shut or locked. He blasts DiBiase with the chain. HHH pedigrees DiBiase on the floor. HBK pulls DiBiase out of the ring. He and HHH walk inside the cell and lock the door shut. Now they're in the cage with Rhodes by himself, while DiBiase is locked out of the cell. The bolt cutters HHH brought with him to get in the first time, are locked inside the cell as well. D-X approaches Rhodes in the ring and puts a chair around his neck unfolded. HBK comes off the top onto the chair on Rhodes. HHH stops HBK from going for Sweet Chin Music. He goes under the ring and pulls out a sledgehammer. HBK hits Sweet Chin Music at the same exact time HHH hits Rhodes with the sledgehammer. HBK pins him and D-X gets the win. Winners: D-Generation X

chopperbyrne

Alicia Fox took the DDT right on the top of her head and then her back twisted awkwardly. Wouldn't be surprised if she got injured.

gimmick

Dime101 wrote: »

When Ziggler v Morrison is the best match of the night you know something is wrong.

I don't get this? 2 very accomplished workers who were always going to put on a good show.

dsmythy

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Alicia Fox took the DDT right on the top of her head and then her back twisted awkwardly. Wouldn't be surprised if she got injured.

She has a unique way of selling though so hopefully it was just a case of that. Certainly made the move look like it wins matches that's for sure.

Dime101

gimmick wrote: »

I don't get this? 2 very accomplished workers who were always going to put on a good show.

Yeah that's fair enough and all,but there were 3 CELLS!I mean I love Morrison,he is bloody great to watch,not so much Ziggler(His finisher sucks dick)

I just really expected the cells to be way more brutal,With the 1st I was expecting something like edge and taker did,which was a fantastic cell match.Cena v Orton I knew would be crap,Cena has 5 moves that he just does then either wins or loses.There was way too much doing nothing in that match.DX was the best for me just because Cody Rhodes got hurt bad at the end and I hate him with an unbridled passion.

My point is that on a PPV called Hell in a cell,a standard intercontinental match should not steal the show over not just 1 but all 3 cell matches.

Also I didn't know about the blood thing that sucks,it better not be gone forever.

chopperbyrne

Dime101 wrote: »

Yeah that's fair enough and all,but there were 3 CELLS!I mean I love Morrison,he is bloody great to watch,not so much Ziggler(His finisher sucks dick)

I just really expected the cells to be way more brutal,With the 1st I was expecting something like edge and taker did,which was a fantastic cell match.Cena v Orton I knew would be crap,Cena has 5 moves that he just does then either wins or loses.There was way too much doing nothing in that match.DX was the best for me just because Cody Rhodes got hurt bad at the end and I hate him with an unbridled passion.

My point is that on a PPV called Hell in a cell,a standard intercontinental match should not steal the show over not just 1 but all 3 cell matches.

Also I didn't know about the blood thing that sucks,it better not be gone forever.

Steve Austin used less.

D2D

I just scene the replay to HIAC and it was a strange PPV.The HIAC was buried until the main event made it feel important again,rushed undercard matches after main events and a ultra fragile legend winning the World Title.On the bright side,there wasn't really a bad match in sight and several of them delivered the goods.

The dislike of classic WWE babyfaces was evident,but it was New Jersey after all.


Taker/Punk was short but crisp,people won't remember it however.

Morrison/Ziggler was a damn good match but neither are very over unfortunately.They had to work to get the crowd into it.

Batista & Mysterio/Jerishow was a very entertaining tag match with some nice sequences.

Cena/Orton was again nothing spectacular or very memorable,but entertaining nevertheless.

The triple threat was too rushed to be anything more than TV quality (I said the match with McIntyre was a mistake).

The DX/Legacy match was a very entertaining,ultra intense brawl - a very good main event.


The question is where does the WWE go from here?

SlickRic

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Cena/Orton was again nothing spectacular or very memorable,but entertaining nevertheless.

i thought this was a very good match.

if it hadn't been in a cell I genuinely believe more people would have been raving about it.

once again, the psychology was intense and believable; with Orton's performance in his role in particular stunning. his nigh-on breakdown after his RKO didn't get the job done to his change in demeanour when tying up Cena and finishing him off. very enjoyable.

if only he hadn't slightly botched the kick, and Cena hadn't undersold it slightly. he did a good 'far away look in his eye' but then he just strolled out.

Furious-Red

Found This:

According to Dave Meltzer, CM Punk is in the dog house right now over something that happened on the most recent overseas tour.

Apparently this is part of the reason why WWE decided to open the Hell In A Cell PPV with CM Punk dropping the World Title to The Undertaker.

This wouldn't be the first time that CM Punk has been on the bad side of management.

We will have more details on this story shortly

michael.etc...

According to the Meltzer/Alvarez Observer radio show this is the deal.

On a recent tour, Punk got some heat from his non-supporters for not looking/dressing like a champion. Supposedly Taker had a word with him, and Punk's reply was along the lines of, how come that rule applies to him, but not Cena..
Obviously when this got back to the office, they took it as him being arrogant and claiming to be on the same level of Cena. Thus, the talk all week was that he was getting squashed and the match order was changed accordingly.

That's the story atm anyways.

It boggles my mind- BOGGLES MY MIND when they do stuff to punish guys, that ends up causing everyone else to lose out. Putting the belt on Taker is a bad, bad idea. And If he's feuding with Batista off this, that's even worse.

Red Sleeping Beauty

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Steve Austin used less.

Yeah but he had a neck injury. It's open for debate when exactly the "dumbing" down of his repertoire began though.

michael.etc... wrote: »

According to the Meltzer/Alvarez Observer radio show this is the deal.

On a recent tour, Punk got some heat from his non-supporters for not looking/dressing like a champion. Supposedly Taker had a word with him, and Punk's reply was along the lines of, how come that rule applies to him, but not Cena..
Obviously when this got back to the office, they took it as him being arrogant and claiming to be on the same level of Cena. Thus, the talk all week was that he was getting squashed and the match order was changed accordingly.

That's the story atm anyways.

It boggles my mind- BOGGLES MY MIND when they do stuff to punish guys, that ends up causing everyone else to lose out. Putting the belt on Taker is a bad, bad idea. And If he's feuding with Batista off this, that's even worse.

Don't suppose that;s the free show is it ?

Yeah, the punishment thing is balls.

rossie1977

undertaker is the one to talk to punk about dress code, undertaker the guy who dresses like this outside the ring, whats he going to tell him, wear an affliction t-shirt and a bandana so as not to stand out

Red Sleeping Beauty

Three hell in a cell matches and not a single drip of blood ? Wow, how times have changed.

krudler

Taker doesnt have to go by the dress code afaik, him , Cena, a few other guys whose gimmicks call for it can dress how they want

Gambra

michael.etc... wrote: »

According to the Meltzer/Alvarez Observer radio show this is the deal.

On a recent tour, Punk got some heat from his non-supporters for not looking/dressing like a champion. Supposedly Taker had a word with him, and Punk's reply was along the lines of, how come that rule applies to him, but not Cena..
Obviously when this got back to the office, they took it as him being arrogant and claiming to be on the same level of Cena. Thus, the talk all week was that he was getting squashed and the match order was changed accordingly.

That's the story atm anyways.

It boggles my mind- BOGGLES MY MIND when they do stuff to punish guys, that ends up causing everyone else to lose out. Putting the belt on Taker is a bad, bad idea. And If he's feuding with Batista off this, that's even worse.

Nice to see that WWE are finally trying to reclaim the heel vs. face thing that Jim Cornette was always going on about.

Penn

rossie1977 wrote: »

Haha, I like how he's carrying his Taker hat while walking round in jeans and a t-shirt with sun-glasses on his head

DM_7

From JR latest Q&A http://www.jrsbarbq.com/jrs-qa

I can essentiilly assure you that the "dress code" had zero to do with Punk losing the title. I have heard no rumblings of Punk being in "hot water" whatsoever as he's a top hand whose recent in ring work on the mic and wrestling has been excellent. However, the internet tale makes for a good story.

Rjd2

DM-ICE wrote: »

From JR latest Q&A http://www.jrsbarbq.com/jrs-qa

I can essentiilly assure you that the "dress code" had zero to do with Punk losing the title. I have heard no rumblings of Punk being in "hot water" whatsoever as he's a top hand whose recent in ring work on the mic and wrestling has been excellent. However, the internet tale makes for a good story.

But that means Meltzer could be wrong:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
His hardcore disciples are going to have a fit reading that..:D

Vince135792003

DM-ICE wrote: »

From JR latest Q&A http://www.jrsbarbq.com/jrs-qa

I can essentiilly assure you that the "dress code" had zero to do with Punk losing the title. I have heard no rumblings of Punk being in "hot water" whatsoever as he's a top hand whose recent in ring work on the mic and wrestling has been excellent. However, the internet tale makes for a good story.

Whether the story is true or not, it would be absurd to think that Ross in a public forum would state on a blog that it was absolutely down to attitude issues in regards to Punk. He'll give the political answer.

Plus, he's not completely rejecting what Meltzer said either. Ross is clever with how he phrases things.

Rjd2

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Whether the story is true or not, it would be absurd to think that Ross in a public forum would state on a blog that it was absolutely down to attitude issues in regards to Punk. He'll give the political answer.

Plus, he's not completely rejecting what Meltzer said either. Ross is clever with how he phrases things.

Yes he is.
PW insider have stated that it was Taker who suggested their match go on first as he did not feel he should be in the main event with his health issues right now.

According to Mike Johnson(PWinsider audio update), Ziggler/Morrison was the original opener and Taker/Punk was going to main-event.

And, at the 11th hour, Undertaker asked for the match to be moved as the first Cell match, because he feared that his hip wouldn't be well enough to put on a main-event performance.

Johnson also questions the "Punk being buried for the dress code" thing, saying Punk's always dressed like that. And, apparently, the only person who made a complaint about Punk's clothes wasn't Undertaker, but was Matt Hardy.

michael.etc...

Rjd2 wrote: »

Yes he is.
PW insider have stated that it was Taker who suggested their match go on first as he did not feel he should be in the main event with his health issues right now.

So are you suggesting that Mike Johnson and Pwinsider are to be trusted with their info- but Meltzer isn't (I'm guessing judging by the smilies in your first post you're a cynic when it comes to Dave). Why?

At the end of the day, they're both reporting what they've heard, and they both are credible sources. I guess it's one of those issues where there's folks backstage stirring, and others on the defensive and it's almost impossible to interpret the entire truth.

JR tows the line in his blogs though.

Rjd2

michael.etc... wrote: »

So are you suggesting that Mike Johnson and Pwinsider are to be trusted with their info- but Meltzer isn't (I'm guessing judging by the smilies in your first post you're a cynic when it comes to Dave). Why?

At the end of the day, they're both reporting what they've heard, and they both are credible sources. I guess it's one of those issues where there's folks backstage stirring, and others on the defensive and it's almost impossible to interpret the entire truth.

JR tows the line in his blogs though.

I like Dave like most sane people but I just feel that to many people on the net hold him up as some godlike person. He is a fine reporter but I get the feeling that some net people decide what they like in line with what Dave likes.
People need to realise he can be wrong as can many news reporters. He also seems to be trying to hard to pick holes in WWE these days which I suppose I can understand as us Net people are the most cynical wrestling fans around.:pac:

michael.etc...

Rjd2 wrote: »

I like Dave like most sane people but I just feel that to many people on the net hold him up as some godlike person. He is a fine reporter but I get the feeling that some net people decide what they like in line with what Dave likes.
People need to realise he can be wrong as can many news reporters. He also seems to be trying to hard to pick holes in WWE these days which I suppose I can understand as us Net people are the most cynical wrestling fans around.:pac:

I agree with you. Net fans are ridiculously cynical, and many of us not in a constructive manner whatsoever. And yeah, i really hate when people use Dave's opinion as their own, and just blindly follow him and his views, rather than establish their own.

I don't agree that he picks too many holes in WWE at the moment though. Especially on the audio shows, he tends to choose his moments, and is far more level-headed about most stuff than Alvarez. If anything, Wade keller is the most nitpicky person around for my money.

I just felt your initial post came across like an unfair dig at Dave's work... but i get ya now.

Vince135792003

Rjd2 wrote: »

Yes he is.
PW insider have stated that it was Taker who suggested their match go on first as he did not feel he should be in the main event with his health issues right now.

I'm not saying Dave Meltzer is wrong or right.

What I am saying is that using Ross's blog to refute that his report was inaccurate isn't fair because Jim Ross has a job in the WWE and a public blog of his will never be able to tell the full story.

Ross is very clever at how he answers things on his blogs and if you read it in a certain context, Meltzer and Ross could still both be right in that Ross confirmed he was not stripped of the belt in that fashion for a dress code issue.

He did not confirm however if it was an attitude issue which seemed to be a big issue too in Meltzers opinion with Punks remarks about Cena being seen as him being needed to be put in his place.

Or it could be as simple as they decided to change the belt AGAIN in the opening match because of the nature of the ppv and Undertakers injury. I'm not taking either side, just pointing that Ross's blog while interesting isn't reliable either.

Rjd2

So anyways finally seen the PPV on my day off.
DX v Legacy
Those who complain about cena's selling need to look at how HBK after taking a vicious ten minute beating, magically healed the second Hunter returned to the ring. Hilariously bad from HBK to be honest.

Cena v Orton
Decent match and yet again Cena unlike Hunter and Batista makes Orton look like a genuine superstar. The punt from Orton was horrid though.

Punk v Taker
To short to be memorable and Taker clearly cant work like he used to. This feud has done Punk no favors at all.

Jerishow v Rey/Dave
Really fun little match I thought and the crowd loved it. The finish with Show and Rey was awesome as well.

Jo Mo v Dolph
Great match which got more time than I expected. The only worry for Vince is both had to work really hard to get the crowd into the match. They were dead for the beginning of it. They need work if they want to main event. Ziggler especially looks to be losing a lot of steam right now.

Kofi v Miz v Swagger
Nothing bad here, but it was till pretty forgettable.

Diva Match
People finally are beginning to realise Mickie doesn't care anymore, and its about time. She has been dreadful all year. This match really should have happened on Raw.