England Squads for South Africa Tour

randomer

Eoin Morgan has been included in the one day squad, but not included in the test squad.

I know it was a long shot, but I had hoped that Ed Joyce would also be included in the one day squad, but unfortunately he had not been included. Does this officially mark the end of Eds England career?

TrueDub

randomer wrote: »

Eoin Morgan has been included in the one day squad, but not included in the test squad.

I know it was a long shot, but I had hoped that Ed Joyce would also be included in the one day squad, but unfortunately he had not been included. Does this officially mark the end of Eds England career?

It's a pity for him & his ambitions, but it could be good news for Ireland - we still might see him in a green shirt in the World Cup in 2011. Mind you, there's lot of England ODIs to be played between this & then.

HonalD

TrueDub wrote: »

It's a pity for him & his ambitions, but it could be good news for Ireland - we still might see him in a green shirt in the World Cup in 2011. Mind you, there's lot of England ODIs to be played between this & then.

+1 Good news for us. One of the things w need is a batsman who can manufacture runs from slower bowlers, especially playing India and Bangl in 2011.

Cremated

Dont shoot me down for this, I might have said this before on here, either way incase I haven't ,

I was talking to a friend of mine who knows quite a bit about Cricket, and he heard that Joyce was indeed trying to get back in the Irish team when his last year was up for the English,

according to Wiki his last ODI was the 4th of April 2007, so is it three years or four before they can play again?, stupid rule,

he should have had to wait four years since his last ODI for Ireland also ...

TrueDub

Cremated wrote: »

Dont shoot me down for this, I might have said this before on here, either way incase I haven't ,

I was talking to a friend of mine who knows quite a bit about Cricket, and he heard that Joyce was indeed trying to get back in the Irish team when his last year was up for the English,

according to Wiki his last ODI was the 4th of April 2007, so is it three years or four before they can play again?, stupid rule,

he should have had to wait four years since his last ODI for Ireland also ...

4 years, afaik. This will place him perilously close to the WC2011 deadline, assuming he isn't picked by England in the meantime.

Ceartgoleor

I imagine Morgan will be disappointed to have missed out on the Test side considering Bell and Wright both made it. He needs to avoid being chalked down as a one-day specialist

kryogen

Joyce should have definatly been called up to one of those teams, cant believe he has missed out again, he was named in the Team Of The Year and still cant get a chance??

Ian Bell has had plenty of opportunitys, surely its time to give someone else a chance

f1dan

http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/429105.html

Sussex batsman Ed Joyce has expressed disappointment at being overlooked for a spot in England's limited-overs side to South Africa after averaging over 60.00 in domestic one-dayers this summer. Joyce, who has played 17 one-day internationals for England, may have to return to his native Ireland to resume an international career if the ICC give him special clearance.

"If I am not going to get picked after this season, having had such a good year, it is hard to see when I will be picked," he said. "But maybe that is me being pessimistic. My priority is playing well for Sussex. But having said that, things can change very quickly and I have to keep telling myself that something could happen and I could suddenly be back in."

Just under a year ago, Joyce quit Middlesex and moved to Sussex, whom he is representing in the Champions League in India. His form for his new county was impressive during the 2009 season; he hit three one-day centuries and averaged 58 as Sussex won the Pro40 and finished runners-up in the Friends Provident Trophy.

Joyce has not been able to add to his England tally of 709 runs at 27.70, including a century at the SCG in early 2007 and two half-centuries in the last World Cup. He has not played for England since that disastrous campaign in the Caribbean.

"That's not baffling to me," he said. "It was just bad timing, I really believe that. It was the end of Duncan Fletcher's regime, and Michael Vaughan was coming to the end, too. I am associated with that sorry Ashes series, even though I didn't play in it. And I don't think people even really remember that we won the CB Series because we were pretty dreadful for the first few games.

"And then the World Cup happened, which was a bit of a disaster as well. The series I was involved in were not especially great for English cricket. I think a lot of people got tarnished by that. I'm not the only one: Liam Plunkett, Jamie Dalrymple and a few other guys who actually did reasonably well in their England careers and just haven't played since. It's just one of those things, it was unlucky. Maybe get tarnished with a brush you didn't deserve, but you've just got to live with that."

Sussex will play New South Wales in Delhi on October 11 and Joyce is likely to open. "Looking at their squad is a little bit intimidating, because there are a lot of Australian internationals in there, but we do know that they haven't played as much Twenty20 cricket as us, so we should have an advantage in that way."

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kryogen wrote: »

Ian Bell has had plenty of opportunitys, surely its time to give someone else a chance

Oh, God yes, he has had WAY too many chances. He is one of ECBs golden boys though, and even when he misses out on squads he is next in line for them. Cook is crap at the moment and I think a lot of players other than him would have been given the boot.

Joyce fully deserves to be in the mix, esp when you see Bopara,Shah,Bell come round and round again like unwanted luggage on a carousel.

So England's definite loss will be Ireland's gain.

Osgoodisgood

On the plus side at least it will be a fairly inexpensive tour to South Africa for the ECB as many of the players will be able to stay with their parents.:D

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Ed Joyce got a first ball Duck playing in the T20 Champions League today. Brett Lee bowled him. Still think he played better than Ian Bell can manage!

kryogen

dooferoaks wrote: »

Oh, God yes, he has had WAY too many chances. He is one of ECBs golden boys though, and even when he misses out on squads he is next in line for them. Cook is crap at the moment and I think a lot of players other than him would have been given the boot.

Joyce fully deserves to be in the mix, esp when you see Bopara,Shah,Bell come round and round again like unwanted luggage on a carousel.

So England's definite loss will be Ireland's gain.

i hope if he wants to come back that he can before 2011! it would be a real shame for him to not have any sort of international career and it would be great for us to have him back, isnt cricket a funny sport in this way!

Cook-in there on reputation really, hasnt performed for England in a while
Bopara-lol
Shah-just not consistent enough with the bat
Bell-what words are needed for the sherminator!

ill say it again, how joyce has not got a chance in that team this season is beyond belief. he must have really pissed someone off at the ECB! maybe Strauss wasnt impressed when he left Middlesex!

f1dan

I see they're trying to steal Rankin now too...

http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/429415.html

HonalD

f1dan wrote: »

I see they're trying to steal Rankin now too...

http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/429415.html

Also, am I mistaken or did porterfield play as a sub for England this year? Against the West Indies I think.....he may even have taken a catch in the deep...please correct me if I'm wrong!

Beasty

HonalD wrote: »

Also, am I mistaken or did porterfield play as a sub for England this year? Against the West Indies I think.....he may even have taken a catch in the deep...please correct me if I'm wrong!

He was 12th man in a Test match v New Zealand in 2008. Not sure about the WI this year. Either way, appearances as substitute for England do not disqualify him for Ireland

HonalD

Agreed but it shows intent from England's perspective - and now he is the top Associate Player of the Year, he'll be next in line for picking........:(

Beasty

HonalD wrote: »

Agreed but it shows intent from England's perspective

...and presumably ambition on his part.

I hadn't realised he is already 25, and if he wants to make a name for himself at international level, he really needs to break into the England set-up over the next year or two. However his first class record is not particularly impressive (averaging only 32 or so). He may prefer to keep out of the England set-up, remaining a big fish in a small pond

RoyMcC

Hi, just popped over from the Athletics forum. I'm sad to see that the Bell knockers are alive and well here. It is definitely the in-thing to be doing in cricket circles.

Whilst it is clearly evident that Bell has never gone on (yet) to scale the heights of which he appears to be capable, his Test record still holds up well against most of his rivals. 41.79 and 8 Test centuries is not too shabby.

No one else has yet proved themselves worthy of grabbing a permanent spot at no.3 and I reckon Bell is still the best bet.

imo as an ex-Warwickshire resident of course

kryogen

RoyMcC wrote: »

Hi, just popped over from the Athletics forum. I'm sad to see that the Bell knockers are alive and well here. It is definitely the in-thing to be doing in cricket circles.

Whilst it is clearly evident that Bell has never gone on (yet) to scale the heights of which he appears to be capable, his Test record still holds up well against most of his rivals. 41.79 and 8 Test centuries is not too shabby.

No one else has yet proved themselves worthy of grabbing a permanent spot at no.3 and I reckon Bell is still the best bet.

imo as an ex-Warwickshire resident of course

honestly, he has had his chances with England...many chances, and i think its time to give someone else a good run of games now to see if they can make the position their own

of course Bell bashers will be alive and well! he is still giving us reason

RoyMcC

kryogen wrote: »

honestly, he has had his chances with England...many chances, and i think its time to give someone else a good run of games now to see if they can make the position their own

of course Bell bashers will be alive and well! he is still giving us reason

Well, every team seems to have its scapegoat who can do no good in anyone's eyes. Everyone was baying for Shah, Bopara etc - they have been given a good go. Maybe Morgan can step up - he seems to have what it takes. But for now it's time for Bell to come back and prove his knockers wrong.

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RoyMcC wrote: »

Well, every team seems to have its scapegoat who can do no good in anyone's eyes. Everyone was baying for Shah, Bopara etc - they have been given a good go. Maybe Morgan can step up - he seems to have what it takes. But for now it's time for Bell to come back and prove his knockers wrong.

I don't rate Bell at all, but his test record against South Africa is decent (as opposed to his averages of 26ish against Australia and India), so lets see how he gets on.

The same old faces will keep getting a chance, Bell, Shah, Bopara etc, if not this series, the next, despite form, and the same old faces will miss out, despite their form, Key, Joyce etc.


I think with Ashley Giles a selecto,r Bell is laughing anyway, nice little Warks. connection.

RoyMcC

dooferoaks wrote: »

I think with Ashley Giles a selecto,r Bell is laughing anyway, nice little Warks. connection.

Ah c'mon. He was one of the selectors that dropped him against the Aussies. I'm not shouting from the rooftops for Bell at all - but if you've seen him batting whilst on form then it's not difficult to see why he might still be the best bet in the selectors' eyes.

Anyway I agree, let's see what the winter brings and we'll make a further judgement then.