GAA 2010 Championships Draw, Tuesday 13 Oct

manutd

From: hoganstand.com

The draws for the 2010 football and hurling championships won't be televised by RTE.

The draws, which will take place next Tuesday in Croke Park, will not be shown by the national broadcaster due to pressure of dates, but they are expected to be broadcast live on RTE radio.

The Irish Times reports that the GAA have been caught for schedule times because of a combination of factors. Firstly, the draws couldn't be made until after next weekend's Special Congress in City West, which will be considering the motions on the structure of the next year's hurling championship.

Once that has been concluded, it was simply a matter of trying to get the soonest date on which all of the provincial officers could assemble to carry out the draw, which is needed quickly to facilitate the setting of dates and venues for the fixtures.

RTE have traditionally televised the draws, but on this occasion, are unable to tie in with the GAA's date.

The draws take place on the same evening as the official launch of the 125 anniversary publication, 'The GAA - A People's History', which will be performed by GAA president Christy Cooney.

What is the big rush with the draw, the all-stars has not happened yet, but the GAA want the draw on after the Special Congress has happened.

So RTE say they will not shown it live on tv and its sayes but they are expected to be broadcast live on RTE radio.

mrgaa1

whats the odds on:
Kerry v. Cork
Dublin v. Meath
Armagh v. Monaghan or Down
Galway v. Sligo

being drawn out. Imagine RTE not being able to televise the draws.

aidan24326

mrgaa1 wrote: »

whats the odds on:
Kerry v. Cork
Dublin v. Meath
Armagh v. Monaghan or Down
Galway v. Sligo

being drawn out. Imagine RTE not being able to televise the draws.

What's special about Galway v Sligo? Or even Armagh v Down?

Daysha

I just hope we're on the other half of the draw to Tipp in Munster, as will all the other counties I'd imagine.

I've enough of playing Limerick at this stage (sorry lads!) and you never know with Clare after their U21 success (our C'ship record against them is quite poor too), so I'd happily take Cork in a semi final. But no 1st round matches, please!

suitcasepink

Agree with Daysha. Anything except a match agianst Tipp is fine by me
I agree that the draws mightent be as fair as they should.. Find out in 6 days I suppose.

adrian522

Would like to See Kilkenny and Galway in opposite halves of the draw in Leinster...

Other than that I'm not bothered.

Anyone know if Kilkenny will get a bye to the semi final again and not know potential opponents until June?

spongeman

Does'nt matter who Wicklow get, the Garden County are going all the way.

soccymonster

Hopefully limerick will be on the opposite side to kerry/cork in the football.

And id be happy with anyone but cork in the hurling :cool:

suitcasepink

soccymonster wrote: »

Hopefully limerick will be on the opposite side to kerry/cork in the football.

And id be happy with anyone but cork in the hurling :cool:

You dont mind playing Tipperary :eek::eek:

soccymonster

deise_girl wrote: »

You dont mind playing Tipperary :eek::eek:

dont get me wrong, i would love to avoid them but after the semis, ya know like....

blackbelt

Just something about the way the draw is done leads me to believe that the Dublin footballers will get Laois in the Leinster Quarter Final.Have a feeling we'll get Wexford or Galway in hurling.

Stevecw

Just hope we draw either Laois or Antrim in the hurling. 2 teams who we'd have a good chance against. A 1st round v Kilkenny would be a nightmare for Carlow in 1st year at this level! :eek:

As for footballers, maybe Wicklow at home...so Thomas Walsh can say hello to his former team-mates while he wears his native counties jersey once again

Daysha

Stevecw wrote: »

A 1st round v Kilkenny would be a nightmare for Carlow in 1st year at this level! :eek:

Don't worry, can't happen. Kilkenny get a bye in the semi's, and that draw won't be made until next summer.

Dubliner28

Kildare in Football and Wexford/Offaly in hurling and id be delighted with that

adrian522

Daysha wrote: »

Don't worry, can't happen. Kilkenny get a bye in the semi's, and that draw won't be made until next summer.

I'm not so sure about this because there's an extra team this year....

Antrim
Galway
Dublin
Laois
Wexford
Offaly
Carlow
Kilkenny

Should mean 4 quarter finals...open draw I presume?

Daysha

adrian522 wrote: »

I'm not so sure about this because there's an extra team this year....

Antrim
Galway
Dublin
Laois
Wexford
Offaly
Carlow
Kilkenny

Should mean 4 quarter finals...open draw I presume?

Ah right you are adrian, my mistake. Forgot about the extra team.

They could opt for a preliminary round before the quarters and still give Kilkenny a bye to the semis if they wanted to, but it does make much more sense to have a straight 4 match quarter final.

hawkwing

Does it really matter as we will have Kerry v. Cork/Tyrone,and prob Kikenny v.Tipp again even if some of them lose early on anyway. With every year the provincial titles mean less and attendances are dropping at those games.shut the door!!

adrian522

So we have a system that means the best 2 teams in the country meet in the final....why would we want to get rid of that?
Note niether Tipp nor KK came through the back door. In fact 2004 was the last time a in hurling that a team lost in their province and subsequently went on to win the AI.

hawkwing

adrian522 wrote: »

So we have a system that means the best 2 teams in the country meet in the final....why would we want to get rid of that?
Note niether Tipp nor KK came through the back door. In fact 2004 was the last time a in hurling that a team lost in their province and subsequently went on to win the AI.

yes indeed it was and it gave us the novel Cork/ Kilkenny final,much better than Waterford v. Wexford of course.If Dublin and Clare win the provinces next year let's hope that tipp and the cats get to the AI instead.goodbye to the GAA forum from me.

adrian522

so what do you suggest? Have the back door for certain teams only? OR go back to teams training all winter, come against one of the big guns in May and that's their year finished?

netwhizkid

I am hoping for a Kerry - Cork encounter allowing us to throw the match and then be written off only to sneak in through the back door and snatch the Sam Maguire before mugging Cork and heading out the front door again:D

Nah, Seriously Kerry V Tipp or Clare with a Cork V Kerry Munster Final would be sweet. I expect Cork to be demoralised and may even be beaten by Limerick if they drawn them.

adrian522

I guess I was wrong on this---i think this is pretty stupid but anyway:

Cats given pass into Leinster semi-finals

By Colm Keys
Friday October 09 2009

Champions Kilkenny have been afforded a bye into the semi-finals of the Leinster hurling championship in 2010 despite the fact that it will be an eight-team competition.

The Leinster Council decided on their draw structure ahead of next Tuesday's complete sequence of provincial draws but overlooked the simplicity of a straight four quarter-final/two semi-final structure.

Instead they have created one preliminary quarter-final to cater for Kilkenny's bye and will have an open draw to decide the two teams who will contest it.

The winners of the preliminary quarter-final will join the five other teams in three quarter-finals, with the winners of these advancing to the semi-finals where they will join Kilkenny.

The structure of the draw means that the likes of Dublin, Galway and Wexford may have to play four games to win a Leinster title as opposed to two for the champions.

As finalists this year Dublin might have expected a seeding, but the Leinster Council have opted to leave all parts of their draw open, which could potentially produce a lopsided look to the Leinster championship next year.

Dublin could conceivably have to beat Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny just to qualify for a Leinster final. Offaly on the other hand could have just Carlow and Laois to negotiate to get to a semi-final.

The Leinster Council took this approach to apparently negate the prospect of one-sided games.

A distinction from the 2009 championship is that the semi-final draws will take place with the rest of the draw on Tuesday next.

Last year the semi-final draws were held over until the quarter-finalists were known, so Kilkenny did not know the identity of their first opponents until two weeks beforehand.

Daysha

What a stupid decision. How can they justify one team having to win twice as many games as another just to win the same provincial title?!

adrian522 wrote: »

The Leinster Council took this approach to apparently negate the prospect of one-sided games.

Surprise surprise guys, you're going to get a few one-sided matches whenever Kilkenny are involved, and no convoluted system is going to change that! Dublin have walked Leinster for 5 years running now, Kerry and Cork still dominate Munster football, and few people would bet against Tipperary winning another Munster hurling title next year, but they still treat all teams completely equally, not matter what standard the team is at.

I could grudgingly understand why they had to give Kilkenny a bye in 2008 given the uneven number of teams, but there's no such excuses this time round.

Baffling.

spongeman

Stevecw wrote: »

Just hope we draw either Laois or Antrim in the hurling. 2 teams who we'd have a good chance against. A 1st round v Kilkenny would be a nightmare for Carlow in 1st year at this level! :eek:

As for footballers, maybe Wicklow at home...so Thomas Walsh can say hello to his former team-mates while he wears his native counties jersey once again

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Wicklow would destroy Carlow.

Mr.Walsh was not thinking straight when he was signing the transfer forms.

Kev80

Daysha wrote: »

What a stupid decision. How can they justify one team having to win twice as many games as another just to win the same provincial title?!



Surprise surprise guys, you're going to get a few one-sided matches whenever Kilkenny are involved, and no convoluted system is going to change that! Dublin have walked Leinster for 5 years running now, Kerry and Cork still dominate Munster football, and few people would bet against Tipperary winning another Munster hurling title next year, but they still treat all teams completely equally, not matter what standard the team is at.

I could grudgingly understand why they had to give Kilkenny a bye in 2008 given the uneven number of teams, but there's no such excuses this time round.

Baffling.

Surely a straight forward 4 quarter final / 2 semi final structure is much fairer to all the teams in the competition. The system proposed by the Lenister Council does not give each team the same chance to win the competition.

adrian522

Apparently the the reason for the format of the draw is because of the Munster championship.

If there were 4 quarter finals there would would be 4 entrants to the qualifiers and 1 from munster, making the qualifiers uneven. This way you have one first round loser from leinster and 1 from munster. Thereafter there are 3 losing quarter finalists from leinster and 2 from the munster semis + the winner from qualifiers round 1 etc.

The qualifiers would have to be completely redesigned if the leinster championship was structured normally.

It's a bit lopsided now with 8 teams in leinster and 5 in munster but unless you scrap the provincials thats what are left with.

Flukey

Today's decision in relation to the Leinster Hurling Championship is a disgrace. We still have the ridiculous situation where Galway and Antrim can play in another province and Westmeath in particular, plus a few others, are not even allowed to play in their own. The Westmeath county board are actually happy with this decision. They should be fired immediately. Any of the 12 Leinster counties that want to play in the Leinster championship should be allowed to do so. None of the other 20 counties in Ireland should be allowed to nor the likes of New York and London. So it doesn't matter what way the Leinster Hurling championship draw is next week: it is wrong.

As for the other draws, it doesn't really matter whether the likes of Dublin and Meath are drawn in the first round or left to meet in the final. Many of the big counties will end up playing each other at some point and the best teams will progress to do so no matter who they get. Whenever those matches are, they are something to look forward to.

dcr22B

Any idea what time this draw will take place at tomorrow night?

yayamark

Hoping that Cork Kerry dont meet until Munster Final, cant beat a Munster Final in Killarney.

Daysha

The GAA and RTÉ have confirmed that the draws for the 2010 GAA Senior Football and Hurling Championships will be screened live on RTÉ Television and worldwide on RTÉ.ie

The draws for the two Senior Championships will now take place in Croke Park on Thursday, 22 October. They were originally scheduled for Tuesday, 20 October.

GAA President Christy Cooney welcomed the announcement.

He said: 'We're delighted that the draws for our inter-county Championship competitions will be broadcast live on television by RTÉ...

'The draws generates huge interest among our members and followers of our games and it is always our intention to bring them to the widest audience possible.'

Looking to the future, Cooney has also revealed that he is open to debate on the idea of an open draw for the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship.

Speaking to the Examiner in the aftermath of Saturday's Special Congress, he said: ' I want to get to the situation where, at next year's Congress, we'll have a roadmap for the development of hurling and a structure for our championships that will stand the test of time.

'There have been soundings over the last number of weeks and comments from interested parties that it's time to look at an open draw for the hurling championship.

'But if we look at an open draw for hurling, do we look at an open draw in football? I don't know, but if it comes from counties that we should look at the format of our hurling championship we will look at it. That's not to say it'll change, but if people want to raise it as an issue, it will be part of our discussions.

'Maybe it will come on the agenda, and it's certainly an option we should consider discussing.'

The draws will coincide with the launch of 'The GAA - A People's History', a new book that is being released as part of the celebrations of the GAA's 125th anniversary.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/1012/gaa.html

suitcasepink

An example of the Gaa at their best.. Wasn't the conclusion of the Leinster problem at the weekend, that all temas could play.. They didn't say anything about what happens then:rolleyes::rolleyes:


But im glad its on tv

manutd

Great to see it on TV.