The Angelus

Greenman

Just watched the Angelus on RTE 1 this evening, nice photography but please no sound effects.:mad::mad::mad:

Discuss.

mike65

What happened? reverb, Rockman, exciter?

mental07

Bong.

Greenman

mike65 wrote: »

What happened? reverb, Rockman, exciter?

The video clip was fishermen and trawlers, I'm not sure if we want to hear the sound of diesel motors and winches bringing in the nets.

Maybe I'm on my own.

fryup

well at least they don't have the usual dreary pic of the virgin mary giving northern prods the finger

maybe they could get fat boy slim to put a techno beat to it

thetonynator

Why can't it just be left alone without a fuss about changing it every year or so?
Just let the bells ring, stop making a controversy over it and leave it be. It's easier like that.
Every time there is nothing in the mews someone has to bring it up again!

pickarooney

thetonynator wrote: »

Every time there is nothing in the mews someone has to bring it up again!

When even the basement's empty, you can only dig down.

starbelgrade

Last Christmas, Veritas was blocked by the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland from broadcasting a radio advert on RTÉ that would allow the store to advertise its presence and sell its products on the Christmas market.

At the time, Communications Minister, Eamon Ryan said that, "Advertising shouldn’t be used for promoting a particular religion."

In a country that broadcasts the Angelus daily, this all seems a little bizarre (nevermind Bill O' Hurlihey signing off the footie with, "Okey Dokey.. Good Night & God Bless)!

Elmo

starbelgrade wrote: »

Last Christmas, Veritas was blocked by the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland from broadcasting a radio advert on RTÉ that would allow the store to advertise its presence and sell its products on the Christmas market.

At the time, Communications Minister, Eamon Ryan said that, "Advertising shouldn’t be used for promoting a particular religion."

In a country that broadcasts the Angelus daily, this all seems a little bizarre (nevermind Bill O' Hurlihey signing off the footie with, "Okey Dokey.. Good Night & God Bless)!

It isn't an advert it is a religious programming. :rolleyes:

I am guessing the sound effects are to denote a more modern Ireland and that 6pm is a time for reflect rather than just about the Angelus. I see the bells being a very small part of the 1min of programming each day over the next few years.

On the advertising issue how do Tarot Live get away with advertising?

starbelgrade

Elmo wrote: »

It isn't an advert it is a religious programming. :rolleyes:

Still seems a bit daft, especially in a predominantly Catholic country. (Not that I really give two flips).

Delorian

Is Ireland the only country that still has / ever had this broadcast on TV or radio? Poland, Spain, Italy, Brazil any of these have / had it?

Oh and anyone seen the excellent pi$$ take of it on YouTube? Hold on till I find a link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzRP7OKHcqQ

starbelgrade

Delorian wrote: »

Is Ireland the only country that still has / ever had this broadcast on TV or radio? Poland, Spain, Italy, Brazil any of these have / had it?

Oh and anyone seen the excellent pi$$ take of it on YouTube? Hold on till I find a link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzRP7OKHcqQ

They broadcast the Angelus on TV on Catholic stations in the Phillipines & some religious radio stations in the States, Cananda & Germany run it also.

We are the only state broadcaster in the world who do it, which makes it even more daft that we don't allow advertising that may promote one religion over another (especially as Veritas are also a Catholic organisation).

Elmo

Most of the major religions in Ireland have all agree that the Angelus on RTÉ is a good thing for reflection, and as pointed out since 2000 the 1min on TV has become less and less about anyone religion.

This piss take comes from The Blizzard of Odd

We are the only state broadcaster in the world who do it, which makes it even more daft that we don't allow advertising that may promote one religion over another (especially as Veritas are also a Catholic organisation).

Especially when you read the law that prevents the advertisement since it absolutely includes tarot premium numbers, what is tarot but a form of religion.

ShatterProof

Greenman wrote: »

Just watched the Angelus on RTE 1 this evening, nice photography but please no sound effects.:mad::mad::mad:

Discuss.

i missed it. what time was it on ?

krudler

People still watch the angelus?

Elmo

krudler wrote: »

People still watch the angelus?

I don't think that is the OP point and I don't think the OP does. But even if he did or anyone else does, does it matter?

Greenman

Elmo wrote: »

I don't think that is the OP point and I don't think the OP does. But even if he did or anyone else does, does it matter?

Thank you Elmo, although I'm not the religious sort I watch it, its a minute of peace in the house even the kids watch it as they know the news is next and Daddy always watches the news from late september till april or when the weather is bad.

I just felt those industrial sounds were in an invasion, I just liked the sound of the bells.

Something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foS6j6vY9Xg

Greenman

Just mailed roger.childs@rte.ie he's in the religious section of RTE.


Hello Roger,
I just want to register my protest of the sound effects on the TV version of The Angelus. I like to hear the bells and see the images, I do not want to hear diesel motors, I feel we have enough unwanted noise pollution as it is.

Anyway Roger there you have it.

Thank you JD.


If I get a reply I'll post it.

Mossy Monk

It should be scrapped.

dfx-

There's enough rubbish on RTÉ to get rid of first..

krudler

Mossy Monk wrote: »

It should be scrapped.

bingo, this country needs to be dragged out of the catholic dark ages kicking and screaming

TheIrishGrover

mental07 wrote: »

Bong.

HEY!!!! Leave it out. It's hard to find a good bong these days

Namlub

starbelgrade wrote: »

Last Christmas, Veritas was blocked by the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland from broadcasting a radio advert on RTÉ that would allow the store to advertise its presence and sell its products on the Christmas market.

At the time, Communications Minister, Eamon Ryan said that, "Advertising shouldn’t be used for promoting a particular religion."

In a country that broadcasts the Angelus daily, this all seems a little bizarre (nevermind Bill O' Hurlihey signing off the footie with, "Okey Dokey.. Good Night & God Bless)!

God and religion and all that is fair game but I'll not hear a word said against Bill O'Herlihy! :mad:

fryup

who prays in front of a telly anyway??

fryup

this is much better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4e22c9JbjY

johnny_ultimate

I do find it surprising that this still has a place on public service broadcaster. As the country becomes increasingly secular / multicultural, is it fair to interrupt programming for a 'religious' i.e. Catholic interlude?

OK, as a non-religious viewer I don't find it offensive or anything, but it is still something that will instantly distance a large amount of viewers, and possibly would offend some. The backlash if they tried to remove it would be some laugh though. Poor Joe would be getting an earful for weeks.

Elmo

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I do find it surprising that this still has a place on public service broadcaster. As the country becomes increasingly secular / multicultural, is it fair to interrupt programming for a 'religious' i.e. Catholic interlude?

OK, as a non-religious viewer I don't find it offensive or anything, but it is still something that will instantly distance a large amount of viewers, and possibly would offend some. The backlash if they tried to remove it would be some laugh though. Poor Joe would be getting an earful for weeks.

As I have said already RTÉ have approached all major religions and all have stated that they are happy to see this broadcasts at 6pm each evening and they view it as a time to take a moment from modern life.

As for the non-religious do you honestly care that 7mins each week are taken up by a religious programme.

No one has yet to mention a "Prayer at Bedtime" (under a different name) and less about religion and more about this multicultural/secular society in which live.

As the OP has pointed out the Angelus bells now have extra effects. I personally have no issue with this but then I don't take offence to South Park.

johnny_ultimate

Elmo wrote: »

As I have said already RTÉ have approached all major religions and all have stated that they are happy to see this broadcasts at 6pm each evening and they view it as a time to take a moment from modern life.

As for the non-religious do you honestly care that 7mins each week are taken up by a religious programme.

No one has yet to mention a "Prayer at Bedtime" (under a different name) and less about religion and more about this multicultural/secular society in which live.

As the OP has pointed out the Angelus bells now have extra effects. I personally have no issue with this but then I don't take offence to South Park.

I'll admit to me personally I don't really care that much about it - I rarely even watch TV at six to be honest, and lots of people seem to appreciate it. My concern is more of the nature of public service broadcasting, and whether religious interludes belong in it. Interesting that you say other religions have accepted it, but it is also interesting to compare it to say, the BBC, where such a broadcast would be a big no-no. The idea of a moment of reflection outside of regular programming is a nice one alright, but the Angelus remains full of religious iconography (bells, the name itself).

Again, I wouldn't fight to the death against it, at the end of the day it is harmless, but perhaps the religious elements could be toned down to give it a more appropriate tone for a non-Catholic audience, while still retaining the dignity of the gesture? Harmless, yes, but inappropriate to give Catholics a minute where Atheists or Muslims or Scientologists don't have one (and nor would I agree that any belief system should be given preferential treatment on television).

Elmo

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I'll admit to me personally I don't really care that much about it - I rarely even watch TV at six to be honest, and lots of people seem to appreciate it. My concern is more of the nature of public service broadcasting, and whether religious interludes belong in it. Interesting that you say other religions have accepted it, but it is also interesting to compare it to say, the BBC, where such a broadcast would be a big no-no. The idea of a moment of reflection outside of regular programming is a nice one alright, but the Angelus remains full of religious iconography (bells, the name itself).

Again, I wouldn't fight to the death against it, at the end of the day it is harmless, but perhaps the religious elements could be toned down to give it a more appropriate tone for a non-Catholic audience, while still retaining the dignity of the gesture? Harmless, yes, but inappropriate to give Catholics a minute where Atheists or Muslims or Scientologists don't have one (and nor would I agree that any belief system should be given preferential treatment on television).

But this goes back to the OP. The service has been toned down over the last number of years, 10 years ago it was just a religious picture with the sound of bells. Now it is a 1min motion picture with the bells and the sounds of water, birds and other things going on in different areas.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/religious.html
RTÉ IRISH LANGUAGE, MULTICULTURE and EDUCATION is the commissioning department for religious programming

As for the BBC they have plenty of religious programmes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/

But lets avoid comparisons with the BBC due to its vast wealth BBC Three for example has a budget of 100million, 22million more than RTÉ Two.

Look at how the Neatherlands run their TV services a mix of different people from different parts of society, the schedules of N1, N2 and N3 are mix between several PSB group representing different sections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_the_Netherlands

Spiritoftheseventies

Dont like the new segment at all.

Lemondrop kid

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

HEY!!!! Leave it out. It's hard to find a good bong these days

LOL LOL LOL
Funniest thing I've read on the boards yet!!!!

Max Headroom

Glad someont started this thread....can one of you religious types explain the "bongs" to me..i.e. theres three sets of three, then one set of nine...whats the significance of these numbers...

1sittingduck

Max Headroom wrote: »

Glad someont started this thread....can one of you religious types explain the "bongs" to me..i.e. theres three sets of three, then one set of nine...whats the significance of these numbers...

It's something I've wondered about myself and I still don't know. But, my opinion is that it's to do with the length of each part of the prayer. In each of the three sets of three rings of the bell, one says the appropriate verse and a Hail Mary, while the nine rings is for the combination of the verse "Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God...That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ" and the final prayer (traditionally "Let us pray: Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts...", or else the more modern "Lord, fill our hearts with Your Love...").

However, you'd have to say the three Hail Marys and accompanying verses at top speed in order to fit them in, and I don't think that's the point - you're supposed to reflect rather than shoot through the prayer. So the allocated times are only approximate.

Hmm...anyone else?!

P.S. To the OP: I concur in that the engine noise is quite distracting and there's no fading from shot to shot anymore! I quite liked the older ones... And I remember the icons that used to be shown.

Max Headroom

Thanx for that..To quote from the book of Homer..you're so "learned".....:)

Not being religious i would never have guessed that...

CrazyRabbit

krudler wrote: »

People still watch the angelus?

People still watch RTE?

1sittingduck

Max Headroom wrote: »

Thanx for that..To quote from the book of Homer..you're so "learned".....:)

Not being religious i would never have guessed that...

"He, he, he. 'Learn'd', boy...it's pronounced 'learn'd'."

trishasaffron

I am not a bit religious but don't have any problem in principle with the Angelus - I view it as a sort of historical quirk. But even tho I'm not religious I can't understand why the accompanying film is a sort of sub Peig type - the impression is gives is that this oul religious craic is an ancient heritage thing all to do with trawlers and farmers. Don't they have any marketeers in there ? Wouldn't they like to use the angelus to attract a few people to or back to Catholicism? What about a few cool Leinster players? or some blonde models on the beach or a mixed group in a software development context. It like the makers have accepted they are history without any current relevance. Mad Ted.

Namlub

Well this is not new

Lapin

mental07 wrote: »

Bong.

X 18

I counted them once.