Does anyone know what the high ribs are for?

shannonpowerlab

Hi, I saw a couple of people using high rib on their trap gun barrels. Do you know what it is for? Are they any good?

Half-cocked

For people with long heads?:D

Actualy, I have a trap gun with a high rib and I don't notice any difference to my low ribbed sporter, so to echo the OP, what is it for?

foxshooter243

Half-cocked wrote: »

For people with long heads?:D

Actualy, I have a trap gun with a high rib and I don't notice any difference to my low ribbed sporter, so to echo the OP, what is it for?

The high rib gives the gun a higher point of impact, typical in trap guns.

shannonpowerlab

When you mount it what do you see?

Does it block the view along the barrel axe?

shannonpowerlab

So are the line through the barrels and the high rib converging at shorter distance than the normal rib?

pullandbang

I shoot a Beretta 682E Gold with a high rib.
Firstly it's beautiful and it looks great.
Secondly, I can see an angled DTL bird a fraction of a fraction of a second earlier as it appears on either side of the barrels. (At least that's what I tell myself so it works for me).

Realistically, there is probably no advantage to having one. It's just another ploy by manufacturers to appeal to people like me.

shannonpowerlab

Is it detatchable? Or can you buy one as an accessory???? Would be nice to try it once.

lucy333springer

shannonpowerlab wrote: »

Is it detatchable? Or can you buy one as an accessory???? Would be nice to try it once.

i dont think they r detachable, have never shot one, but they look sweet, especially the not to high ones, go to a clay pigeon ground, might get to fire one, from a kind shooter, for an hour or 2,

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pullandbang

shannonpowerlab wrote: »

Is it detatchable? Or can you buy one as an accessory???? Would be nice to try it once.

You can get adjustable ones if you're prepared to spend silly money.
Krieghoff do one with adjustable POI but they start @ €10,000 + :eek:

shannonpowerlab

a haha...€10,000....Need a deep wallet or a sponser...

Hand crafted I suppose. They do look nice... Kind of ....Olympic like.

pullandbang

shannonpowerlab wrote: »

a haha...€10,000....Need a deep wallet or a sponser...

Hand crafted I suppose. They do look nice... Kind of ....Olympic like.

It's funny but you'd never see one at the Olympic disciplines. They tend to stick with flatter ribs and they mostly shoot Perazzi's or Berettas. Can't say I've ever come across an Olympic Trap shooter with a Krieghoff.

shannonpowerlab

I wonder why...

Not even a German Competitor...

Are they not supposed to be very good...no?

target

It’s true the Olympic disciplines tend to be dominated by Perazzi and Beretta but there are exceptions. 2009 was a good year for Ryan Hadden of the USA who won the World Cups of Eygpt and San Marino while shooting a K-80 with a flat rib.


Flat ribs while still very popular in Olympic trap now have some competition from ultra high ribs such as the Perazzi MX-2005 below.



Borrowing from the technique of Double Trap shooting, some notable shooters such as Jesus Serrano of Spain have switched in the last year to a high gun hold over the trap and to a high rib which allows them to see the target with greater visibility relative to the barrel. This visibility combined with the high gun hold allows for a very quick first shot, but the trade off is in the visible separation of the barrell and target. Get the height wrong and you can lose the subconscious connection with the target in flight, too much and it becomes a bit like shooting from the hip.

pullandbang

target wrote: »

Borrowing from the technique of Double Trap shooting, some notable shooters such as Jesus Serrano of Spain have switched in the last year to a high gun hold over the trap and to a high rib which allows them to see the target with greater visibility relative to the barrel. This visibility combined with the high gun hold allows for a very quick first shot, but the trade off is in the visible separation of the barrell and target. Get the height wrong and you can lose the subconscious connection with the target in flight, too much and it becomes a bit like shooting from the hip.

That must have been a serious change in the mental approach given that most trap shooters favour a low gun hold. How do they cope with low exteme angled targets if they are looking high?

target

Indeed, it is a difficult change to make but it can be done in as little as a few months of training. But it is a technique of shooting that is not suitable for all. Anyone with an eye dominance issue will find this a difficult method to master.

The speed of the target off the trap is a major factor in the preference for a high gun hold, particularly with Matarelli, Serena and the newish Laporte traps, that give a very fast "punchy" target over the first 15 metres such that the direction of flight is only fully recognised after several metres of travel.

With a high gun hold the movement of the barrell is quite short in comparision to that of a low gun hold. Low angled targets require a slight downward movement but not as much as you might expect. Combine that movement with the high point of vision which allows you to see the target early and more clearly in flight and you can hit the target at distances of 15-20 metres from the trap.

Another feature that some use in conjunction with the high gun hold is the use of half chokes for the first shot to take advantage of the high speed of movement and the relatively short distance that the target is hit over.

David Kostelecky, Beijing Gold medaliist and Aleksey Alipov Athens Gold medallist both use a high almost horizontal gun hold and are also reknowned for the speed of their shooting. Both attributes tend to go hand in hand.

target

pullandbang wrote: »

How do they cope with low exteme angled targets if they are looking high?

It's not that they are looking high as such, its the amount of spatial awareness they are taking in with the high hold that is the key. By looking through the barrel and not along it you can create enough visual space to see the target. Moving the gun down to a target is much easier that moving it up to a target, particularly when that movement should be controlled and smooth. Gravity helps the inertia of the movement.

With high targets, the shooter waits until the target approaches/breaks the line of hold before moving the gun onto the target. In this instance the movement can be very short and along with the extra time that is given to the shooter to ascertain the flight of target can give a significant advantage.

While there are many pros to a high gun hold there are as many negatives. It is a technique which if you have an eye dominance issue can mislead you in ascertaining the target trajectory. It can also cause the shooter to "snap" at the target and not to use a smooth controlled movement. It can also create a lag in movement for some shooters to the extent that they move too late and shoot behind the target. It can also lead to head lifting if the target does not appear when the "mind" expects it to.

shannonpowerlab

Suppose makes sense that with flat rib I would still be looking down the fat barrel which blocks the view especialy if the clay is rising...
I was having a bit of difficulty with that one...

For fast moving target it would be better to have less obstruciton in front of the eye...

Just looking at some of the olympic video footage clays do seem to move faster than the ones I saw at clay shooting ranges or is it just my eyes?

I would imagine these highly skilled shooter don't really use the sight to aim do they? They just use it to get the initial reference point and the gun pretty much follows the eye without thinking...cool!!

Maybe some time I might try a high rib made of card board to see the effect...?:D:D:D

pullandbang

target wrote: »

While there are many pros to a high gun hold there are as many negatives. It is a technique which if you have an eye dominance issue can mislead you in ascertaining the target trajectory. It can also cause the shooter to "snap" at the target and not to use a smooth controlled movement. It can also create a lag in movement for some shooters to the extent that they move too late and shoot behind the target. It can also lead to head lifting if the target does not appear when the "mind" expects it to.

Sounds like you were standing behind me!:o

I can see where things could go wrong ok. I know of one chap who holds his gun higher than horizontal (DTL) and shoots very well. He always maintains he can see the target coming up from either side of the barrels with his peripheral vision. I like a high gun hold on DTL but I'm not confident enough with it on ABT or Trench. Must get you to sort my head out!:)

shannonpowerlab

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG...!!!

Now that I think of it...

I did see one guy with K80 pro sport on the 6 of Sept at Ennis SG!!!

It had the distinctive independent barrel assembly!!!!!

and high rib slanting toward the muzzle...

I thought it looked kind of expensive...

pullandbang

Now that you're sold on a high rib Krieghoff, you really must get your stock custom made. This guy will do it for you for another €1,000 or so.

shannonpowerlab

Uh...I can buy another gun for that price....

I suppose the cheek piece has to go up the same height as the rib...

Perhaps rolled card board and black PVC tape...?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

No it is a joke.

Though I never saw anyone with card board high rib at competition shoots yet but I have seen a couple people with card board like cheek pad taped on with brown packing tape....

johnfaul

probably a silly question but would they not just make the stock higher so their poi is high, e.g looking down on the rib. beats all this fancy high rib crack

a4775

trap stocks are generally higher than your average sporting stocks
and the ribs are higher too

i always thought the thinking behind it was that it was to help with faster DTL targets, when you have less time to think
i would never use a trap gun to shoot sporting, its too unwieldy

target seems to be quite the expert though
i wonder who he could be

as for detachable ribs, the teknys ribs are detachable and you can buy replacement ones, though i havent a clue what the price of such a thing would be
and im sure the ribs on that new UGB are detachable too
has anyone actually used one of those things?
it looks like a bit of a gimmick to me, and its a pig of a thing to get the barrel off

pullandbang

a4775 wrote: »

target seems to be quite the expert though
i wonder who he could be

He/she certainly knows his/her stuff ok.:)