Just got me swine flu vaccine....

tallaght01

Everyone in my job went to the local hospital to get it in their vaccine clinic.

I haven't developed autism or guillain-barre syndrome yet. But I'll keep you all posted :P

skelliser

will ya have to go back for a second shot or is it needed?

its been a long summer waiting for this!

Jumpy

tallaght01 wrote: »

Everyone in my job went to the local hospital to get it in their vaccine clinic.

I haven't developed autism or guillain-barre syndrome yet. But I'll keep you all posted :P

Have you found yourself thinking that a New World Order is a good idea?
Have you started purchasing goods and services rather than saving your money?


Oh my god you have havent you!

*adjusts tinfoil curtains and hides under bed*

DrIndy

looking forward to getting mine too - although I still suspect that the "very bad cold" I had for a week was probably swine flu. I never had a fever whenever I checked it so maybe not.

tallaght01

skelliser wrote: »

will ya have to go back for a second shot or is it needed?

its been a long summer waiting for this!

Just the one jab in Oz, though I don't know what they're recommending in Ireland. Best to follow their guidelines, as it's a slightly different vaccine, but should be the same to all intents and purposes.

Turtwig

tallaght01 wrote: »

Everyone in my job went to the local hospital to get it in their vaccine clinic.

I haven't developed autism or guillain-barre syndrome yet. But I'll keep you all posted :P

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Dammit Tallaght, you're part of the conspiracy too!!!!!!11111111!!! He's being given the safe form of the vaccine, the rest of us will get the mercury laden cancer causing paralysis inducing vaccine*....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Seriously, I do not know how any can be so reluctant to take it, when you consider the front line medical folk are going to be one of the first takers...you know, some of them happen to be the people that tested it and approved it;)


*Please note: this is mainly a sacrastic lie

tallaght01

Malty_T wrote: »

Dammit Tallaght, you're part of the conspiracy too!!!!!!11111111!!! He's being given the safe form of the vaccine, the rest of us will get the mercury laden cancer causing paralysis inducing vaccine*....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That's a fair point. I got them to take the bird flu, HIV and gulf war syndrome out of mine before they gave it t me, but I'm not sure if they'll be offering that service to the general public

bleg

Swine flu vaccine?

Jim Corr is gona get ya!

deepimpact

out of interest Tallaght01, was there any dihydrogen monoxide in your vaccine?

It's feckin' deadly stuff, google it and you'll see...:P

Jumpy

Malty_T wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Dammit Tallaght, you're part of the conspiracy too!!!!!!11111111!!! He's being given the safe form of the vaccine, the rest of us will get the mercury laden cancer causing paralysis inducing vaccine*....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Seriously, I do not know how any can be so reluctant to take it, when you consider the front line medical folk are going to be one of the first takers...you know, some of them happen to be the people that tested it and approved it;)


*Please note: this is mainly a sacrastic lie

ITS NOT MERCURY ITS SMALL ROBOTS!

lizardslizardslizards *rocks back and forth*









aaand back on a real note ... Personally I dont know if I should bother getting it or not. I am a reasonably healthy individual. I would probably prefer a natural resistance after getting it than a vaccine.
Although I am changing my tune somewhat when I hear how long it takes you out of work. I couldnt face two weeks of being at home bored.

tallaght01

scanlant wrote: »

out of interest Tallaght01, was there any dihydrogen monoxide in your vaccine?

It's feckin' deadly stuff, google it and you'll see...:P

Dude, you're in the game. You know better than to let people know about the dihydrogen monoxide.

Seriously, though, there is some DHMO in the vaccine that I got. It's one vaccine component I haven't done much research on, so I'm hoping I'll be OK. But we do have some posters who are good at unearthing conspiracies, so maybe they could find something about it's dangers and post it here.

I've heard it's the monoxide it that does the brain damage, but I'm not sure.

tallaght01

Jumpy wrote: »

ITS NOT MERCURY ITS SMALL ROBOTS!

lizardslizardslizards *rocks back and forth*









aaand back on a real note ... Personally I dont know if I should bother getting it or not. I am a reasonably healthy individual. I would probably prefer a natural resistance after getting it than a vaccine.
Although I am changing my tune somewhat when I hear how long it takes you out of work. I couldnt face two weeks of being at home bored.

It's up to you whether you get it, but vaccines are designed to protect the community, as opposed to the individual.

Jumpy

tallaght01 wrote: »

It's up to you whether you get it, but vaccines are designed to protect the community, as opposed to the individual.

Point taken.

DrIndy

scanlant wrote: »

out of interest Tallaght01, was there any dihydrogen monoxide in your vaccine?

It's feckin' deadly stuff, google it and you'll see...:P

Very dangerous if inhaled in large quantities and is a major component of many pharmaceuticals.

Jumpy

DrIndy wrote: »

Very dangerous if inhaled in large quantities and is a major component of many pharmaceuticals.

Nah. I am a hard man me. I practically bathe in the stuff.

samson09

tallaght01 wrote: »

Everyone in my job went to the local hospital to get it in their vaccine clinic.

I haven't developed autism or guillain-barre syndrome yet. But I'll keep you all posted :P

Glad to hear you're ok. But did you get the vaccine with or without the adjuvants?(i.e. squalene)

tallaght01

samson09 wrote: »

Glad to hear you're ok. But did you get the vaccine with or without the adjuvants?(i.e. squalene)

I don't know if there was squalene or adjuvants in my vaccine. Wouldn't bother me if there was. But I'm deleting your post in 24 hours and you'll get a ban if you don't provide a GOOD link to show there's going to be squalene in the Irish vaccine, because you make people nervous with this kind of thing.

I got a bit of nausea today. Didn't go home from work or anything. Lasted about 4 hours. Fine now though. But we were saying major GI side effects of the actual virus, and now we're seeing some nausea after the vaccine. Interesting.

samson09

tallaght01 wrote: »

I don't know if there was squalene or adjuvants in my vaccine. Wouldn't bother me if there was. But I'm deleting your post in 24 hours and you'll get a ban if you don't provide a GOOD link to show there's going to be squalene in the Irish vaccine, because you make people nervous with this kind of thing.

I got a bit of nausea today. Didn't go home from work or anything. Lasted about 4 hours. Fine now though. But we were saying major GI side effects of the actual virus, and now we're seeing some nausea after the vaccine. Interesting.

I only asked a question, I never even mentioned Ireland or anything good/bad about adjuvants. But delete away, no skin off my nose. I already provided you with information about the Irish vaccine, or at least one of them (Pandemrix). But here it is again anyway.

http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/pandemrix/emea-combined-h832en.pdf

Active Ingredient:
Purified antigen fractions of inactivated split virion
A/Vietnam/1194/2004 NIBRG-14 (H5N1) 3.75 μg HA (mock-up virus)
(NB – this will be switched to A/California/7/2009 (H1N1) v-like strain (X-179A) for the current pandemic vaccine)

Adjuvant:
Squalene 10.68 mg
Alpha-tocopherol 11.86 mg
Polysorbate 80 4.86 mg
Other Ingredients:
Octoxynol 10
Sodium chloride
Disodium phosphate
Potassium dihydrogen phosphate
Potassium chloride
Magnesium chloride
Thiomersal (5μg per dose)
Water for injections

tallaght01

Thanks for posting that.

But you asked that question for a reason, and now that the vaccination programme is about to start, we'll be having a zero tolerance attitude towards your vaccination scaremongering. If you have decent evidence fr anything, then it's very welcome. But the usual weblinks etc that you post won't be tolerated.

But you're heading in the right direction posting a reputable link there.

cypharius

One of the things about the Anti-Vaccine bull**** that I hate is the "AUTISM, OH NO, WAAAAAAAH". This is because I have Aspergers, which is like Autism... the point is, that an Autistic kid is better then a dead one in my book.

drzhivago

tallaght01 wrote: »

Everyone in my job went to the local hospital to get it in their vaccine clinic.

I haven't developed autism or guillain-barre syndrome yet. But I'll keep you all posted :P

Just a question but you are doing pubic health arent you (freudian) do they not have their own clinics

At a time when seasonal flu and H1N1 are doing the rounds is it wise to have lots of people coming and going from hospitals who dont need to be there

Institute for healthcare improvement in US have come up with some excellent forward flow documentation on altering the normal ED flow patterns during H1N1 to minimise staff and patient cross contamination

tallaght01

Yea, but they're satellite clinics, which are strategically places for ease of access. We set them up, as part of our mass vaccination function. But our CDC is not that convenient for people to get to. So, we have vaccine clinics in lots of locations, including the local hospitals.

We did try to engage ED in some opportunistic vaccination, but they baulked at the idea :P

Bicycle

cypharius wrote: »

One of the things about the Anti-Vaccine bull**** that I hate is the "AUTISM, OH NO, WAAAAAAAH". This is because I have Aspergers, which is like Autism... the point is, that an Autistic kid is better then a dead one in my book.

Tallaght, glad you are OK after the vaccine. Just waiting here for an appointment to see our doc about getting a vaccine for our child with severe asthma. Good to read some positives. Thank you.

Cypharius, I spoke to someone who should know far better, yesterday, who claimed their child had developed dyspraxia as a result of getting the MMR!! Can I say eejit here??? Goodness knows what may materialise from the H1N1 vaccine :D:D:D;)

And yes, our same darling who has the asthma is being assessed for Aspergers and no he didn't get it from the MMR. I'm fairly convinced, if he does have it, that it was from his great grandfather.

drzhivago

tallaght01 wrote: »

Yea, but they're satellite clinics, which are strategically places for ease of access. We set them up, as part of our mass vaccination function. But our CDC is not that convenient for people to get to. So, we have vaccine clinics in lots of locations, including the local hospitals.

We did try to engage ED in some opportunistic vaccination, but they baulked at the idea :P

I wonder though what percentage of people turning up will be current carriers

In US it wasnt such much a high temp presentation as a gastro thing for a lot of people who proved sample positive

This a policy of encouraging people to congregate in clinical settings for mass vaccination program against a currently circulating disease might not be a wise policy

Regarding ED,what I mentioned was for changes in practice and throughput when H1N1 really kicks off, hospitals in US have had a sustained increase of 15-20% in attendance's for 4 weeks now which is starting to trip some alarm bells

Regarding vaccinations in ED/Hospital opportunistically I agree with you there are volumes of patients attending who may not be seeing general practitioner at this time and thus could benefit from same, it would be nice if the DOH directed some of the funding that way as my understanding is if the hospitals decide to do that they would not be funded on the dame basis as GPS are for the vaccinations

tallaght01

Yea, people shouldn't be encourages to go to clinical areas for their vaccines.

The model is for a community based approach. But the GP surgeries have, in reality, been best served to provide the service, so they've taken on a lot of the work. So have the council clinics.

The hospital clinics are away from the main clinical areas. Or they're supposed to be.

The EDs are supposed to set up flu clinics too, to see sick people with ILI. But so far here they've been outdoors in the cold, with no proper monitoring, and inappropriate triaging. The model in the pandemic plan is for a much better service than is actually being provided.

The money men obviously haven't read our plan :P

DrIndy

i got my vaccine - apart from paralysis of my right arm - i'm ok

sam34

tallaght01 wrote: »

I haven't developed autism or guillain-barre syndrome yet. But I'll keep you all posted :P

DrIndy wrote: »

i got my vaccine - apart from paralysis of my right arm - i'm ok

hate to break it to ye lads, but the ol' autism means ye dont have insight anymore. indy, in the nicest possible way, you're not ok.
and tallaght, well, words fail me, tbh

nesf

DrIndy wrote: »

i got my vaccine - apart from paralysis of my right arm - i'm ok

Oh I'm so sorry to hear of such troubles between you and your life partner!

nesf

Ok, doesn't look like I'll be getting the vaccine now cause myself, my wife and our 3 year old kid all got H1N1. Luckily not too bad, I'm the only one on Tamiflu but that's more of a precaution against pneumonia due to medical history than anything else.

So far, no weird reactions to the meds and H1N1 for myself and the kid was nasty (I hit 39.5 and him 39.0 temp wise whenever there was a gap in the ibuprofin/paracetamol "coverage") but manageable enough and nothing that'd put either of us in hospital or anything. Herself being pregnant luckily got a milder dose of it but it's harder for her to deal with given her condition. I managed to get a chest infection on top of the flu which is annoying me more tbh.

tallaght01

Did you get a test to confirm the swine flu? We recommend (in oz) that people who think they've had it, but have not been tested, get the vaccine anyway. Though you should follow Irish guidelines and advice obviously.

Hope your family are OK. Don't let your missus be a hero, if she still has it. Make sure she has a low threshold for seeking medical advice. Though most pregnant women are fine, that group have run into some problems with this vaccine.

nesf

tallaght01 wrote: »

Did you get a test to confirm the swine flu? We recommend (in oz) that people who think they've had it, but have not been tested, get the vaccine anyway. Though you should follow Irish guidelines and advice obviously.

Hope your family are OK. Don't let your missus be a hero, if she still has it. Make sure she has a low threshold for seeking medical advice. Though most pregnant women are fine, that group have run into some problems with this vaccine.

I've tested positive, both of them got sick at the same time with similar symptoms so it's likely they've got it too but they've been swabbed and samples sent off so we'll know for sure on Monday or Tuesday. All 3 of us went to get checked out today by our GP after my results came back positive. I was only given Tamiflu after the test came back positive for various reasons and we've a prescription for both my wife and son incase their symptoms worsen (at the moment, despite the high temp my son is in very good form and not complaining of any aches and pains etc as well as his temp being kept in line with paracetamol/ibuprofin most of the time and my wife feels fairly miserable but isn't registering any temp above 36-37 and doesn't have any "severe" symptoms, honestly you'd think she had a bad cold if I hadn't tested positive).

CathyMoran

Hugs to your wife, I hope that she is OK, and of course best wishes to all of you. I am paranoid about avoiding it as I am in 2 high risk groups, will ask at the maternity hospital today about the vaccine as my gp is reluctant to give it to me.

AmcD

drzhivago wrote: »

Regarding vaccinations in ED/Hospital opportunistically I agree with you there are volumes of patients attending who may not be seeing general practitioner at this time and thus could benefit from same, it would be nice if the DOH directed some of the funding that way as my understanding is if the hospitals decide to do that they would not be funded on the dame basis as GPS are for the vaccinations

Hospitals are probably hoping that they will not be funded on the same basis as GPs. At the moment we are working flat out just to see all our sick patients/regulars (as I'm sure most surgeries are). This means that we have to set up swine flu vaccination clinics during out-of-hours. I don't think my boss can afford to pay us all for doing this. She is hoping at best to break even. It is quite unbelievable the amount of work it involves trying to get an accurate list of high-risk people and contact them all and then vaccinate them twice. This is despite it being a computerised practice. On top of this it seems the we will be personally held liable if we don't vaccinate all the high-risk people.
One of the most frustrating aspects of the whole thing is that we only seem to find out what is happening by listening to the media. The HSE don't seem to think it is a priority to inform GPs of what is happening.
(just to mention- we are a mostly GMS practice)

tallaght01

AmcD wrote: »

Hospitals are probably hoping that they will not be funded on the same basis as GPs. At the moment we are working flat out just to see all our sick patients/regulars (as I'm sure most surgeries are). This means that we have to set up swine flu vaccination clinics during out-of-hours. I don't think my boss can afford to pay us all for doing this. She is hoping at best to break even. It is quite unbelievable the amount of work it involves trying to get an accurate list of high-risk people and contact them all and then vaccinate them twice. This is despite it being a computerised practice. On top of this it seems the we will be personally held liable if we don't vaccinate all the high-risk people.
One of the most frustrating aspects of the whole thing is that we only seem to find out what is happening by listening to the media. The HSE don't seem to think it is a priority to inform GPs of what is happening.
(just to mention- we are a mostly GMS practice)

Is it two vaccines in Ireland???

There needs to be mass vaccination planning in the pandemic plan. It wouldn't surprise me if Ireland doesn't have a pandemic plan.

In Oz, we have a whole team, working from the public health dept, setting up mass vaccination clinics.

It's crazy to rely on GPs for this, especially over the winter months. The HSE really needs a sustainable plan for next time, when it might be avian flu or SARS.

nesf

tallaght01 wrote: »

It's crazy to rely on GPs for this, especially over the winter months. The HSE really needs a sustainable plan for next time, when it might be avian flu or SARS.

I imagine it'll probably be some combination of GPs and drop-in clinics set up. GPs are in the best place to distribute the vaccine for a large segment of the population I'm afraid with how we're set up unless you want to untangle the mess that is healthcare coverage that is rural Ireland (it's a mess because of population density more than anything else).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure we don't have a centralised database of all patients with all their conditions/histories which would massively aid any vaccination plan (generate the list based on certain flags, mail these people a vaccination card that they can take to their GP or a temporary vaccination clinic with the GP system as a back up where people who didn't receive a card but didn't could get one through a call to their GP). The problem with such a centralised system is privacy and it'd be very hard to convince everyone that this would be a good idea because data security is a lot poorer than pen and paper security and medical records are possibly amongst the most sensitive bits of information you can have about a person. So while it'd be great for public health emergencies like this, it'd invite a huge storm of trouble every time there'd be an information leak. Without such a system you have to rely on GPs and Hospitals who can work out who is in a high risk group from their records.

tallaght01

GPs may be in the best position insofar as they are a pre-set up clinic. BUt they have very little extra capacity. For even basic herd immunity in Ireland you'll need about 1 million vaccinated.

That's almost impossible in winter.

We haven't been contacting people with pre-existing health probs. We've been running a major public awareness campaign, telling people they can get the vaccine for free.

Setting up a clinic in every hospital means that people from the outpatients departments can get vaccinated while in for their visit. So can pregnant women and visitors.

We've gone out to health centres, community centres, school halls etc.

This needs to be brought to the community. I guess the problem is in Ireland that it's not free. In Oz it os. So we don't need any admin. You can just turn up anywhere and get it. I was in and out within 3 minutes of arriving for mine. Though had to stay in a waiting room for 15 mins after in case I had a reaction.

AmcD

I agree about GPs having the patient's history and contact details and being probably best placed to have a go at compiling a high-risk list. We also have the cold-chain system and are used to giving vaccines. Unfortunately even with the best computer system it is a lot of work. We have to look up every single patient on the list to see if they qualify or not. For example we have to look up every child who has ever had inhalers prescribed to see if they have active/moderate asthma or not.
This high-risk swine flu list is quite different from the usual flu list that we have. We are specifically asked to target people who are <65years. Normally the flu list is mostly the over 65's. Now we have to get all our pregnant women and also people with BMI >40 ( as well as lots of other conditions eg liver disease, sickle cell etc). As a result we were recently sitting in the office trying to guestimate whether our larger patients had a BMI > 40, as sometimes their weight might be recorded, but not the height etc. It was a bit surreal.
Our practice manager is getting flustered because we are told we need all the patients' details including PPS. We won't get paid without this, but they have not specified how we get paid. There is no specific form, as there is for every government scheme, yet they are already telling us we won't get paid if we don't submit the correct information.
I wish the antenatal and respiratory outpatient clinics could be involved in this to help us out. We are currently trying to give all our regular flu jabs at the moment too.
Just to note- there has been a huge rise in flu-like illness in the past week in my area. I am presuming it is probably swine flu. At least I should be immune to this after being coughed and spewed on so much in the past week.

Tallaght01- yes we are being told to give 2 swine flu jabs, the second one after a three week interval.

nesf

Actually, serious side question: Our child is due in December. Will she be born with some immunity and will she gain some immunity from breastfeeding against H1N1 if my wife does have it? (My wife is planning on breastfeeding for the first 12 months similar to what she did with our first child)

kowloon

This may be an incredibly stupid question, so all the more reason to put it in here rather than start a new thread: I've just had the swine flu, am I immune from getting it again?
I was told by my doc to get the vaccination as I'm diabetic, but managed to catch the flu before I had the option. So I don't need the vaccination now do I?

sicguy

kowloon wrote: »

This may be an incredibly stupid question, so all the more reason to put it in here rather than start a new thread: I've just had the swine flu, am I immune from getting it again?
I was told by my doc to get the vaccination as I'm diabetic, but managed to catch the flu before I had the option. So I don't need the vaccination now do I?

I remember reading some info released by the WHO or HSE that they still advice people to get it even if they had it as it's fairly likely their immune system may not have had a strong enough reaction to provide immunity.

Amtmann

Got the shot yesterday. Felt fine after it, but my left arm (round about the spot where I was injected) feels as though it's badly bruised (which it isn't), or like I've been stung by a bee. This is a normal sensation after recieving this vaccine, I believe?

A Neurotic

Was at a clinic in town yesterday (college thing) while they happened to be administering the vaccine. They'd had two anaphylactic (my new medicine word of the week ) reactions in the couple of hours before we got there. Two ambulances were called. I take it these are uncommon? Seemed like a bit of a nightmare.

tallaght01

A Neurotic wrote: »

Was at a clinic in town yesterday (college thing) while they happened to be administering the vaccine. They'd had two anaphylactic (my new medicine word of the week ) reactions in the couple of hours before we got there. Two ambulances were called. I take it these are uncommon? Seemed like a bit of a nightmare.

Very very uncommon. You'd normally have to see thousands upon thousands of patients t see anaphylaxis in any vaccine. You sure it wasn't a vasovagal?

I don't think we've had a single anaphylaxis to it in oz, and we've been vaccinating for a while now.

imported_guy

tallaght01 wrote: »

Very very uncommon. You'd normally have to see thousands upon thousands of patients t see anaphylaxis in any vaccine. You sure it wasn't a vasovagal?

I don't think we've had a single anaphylaxis to it in oz, and we've been vaccinating for a while now.

inb4 tallaght gets the h1n1 aids cancer

(j/k :P)

i havent got it yet, im not worried, and my dad is a doctor he has only got the normal winter flu shot and not the swine flu one, but i heard in cork they are setting up to give the shots at neptune basketball stadium for a week or 2 and some other places.

DancingQueen:)

I mine on Wednsday and it's still sore As Furet said it feels like i have a big bruise but there's no mark.

A Neurotic

tallaght01 wrote: »

You sure it wasn't a vasovagal?

I'm positive that my GP/tutor told us they were both anaphylactic. It's possible he was lying in order to teach us something, I suppose.

tallaght01

A Neurotic wrote: »

I'm positive that my GP/tutor told us they were both anaphylactic. It's possible he was lying in order to teach us something, I suppose.

I doubt he was lying. But there was either an extraordinary cluster, or there was a misdiagnosis.

You should ask if you can see the follow-up letters that A+E will send to him, to see what their final Dx was. Will also give you an indication about how they treat anaphylaxis/allergies. Might give you an impetus to look at the different routes for administration of the drugs for anaphylaxis (IM for adrenaline...which strength they use, IV for hydrocortisone...what dose etc?). There's a learning opportunity there. If you wanted to be SUPER studious, you could follow it up with the local public health unit. All adverse reactions should get reported to them (your GP should have done this, or the practice nurses....I think that's still the case) and they'll investigate the batch etc.

I don't know what year you're in, but these are issues that could potentially come up in finals.

A Neurotic

tallaght01 wrote: »

I doubt he was lying. But there was either an extraordinary cluster, or there was a misdiagnosis.

You should ask if you can see the follow-up letters that A+E will send to him, to see what their final Dx was. Will also give you an indication about how they treat anaphylaxis/allergies. Might give you an impetus to look at the different routes for administration of the drugs for anaphylaxis (IM for adrenaline...which strength they use, IV for hydrocortisone...what dose etc?). There's a learning opportunity there. If you wanted to be SUPER studious, you could follow it up with the local public health unit. All adverse reactions should get reported to them (your GP should have done this, or the practice nurses....I think that's still the case) and they'll investigate the batch etc.

I don't know what year you're in, but these are issues that could potentially come up in finals.

I'm in first year, and the GP is overseeing a newborn case study that I'm doing for a Human Development module. All of the above is a little out of my depth to be honest

Interesting though. I'll be sure to ask him about it next time I visit!

tech77

Lads (by lads i mean GPs, infectious disease specialists, epidemiologists/public health doctors i guess ) dunno if this has been answered but there seems to bit of debate about whether you should get one or two shots.
They were saying one shot sufficed originally- now i hear uncertainty about this.
Can anyone shed light on this.
Is one indeed sufficient?