Rates for Grinds

gaeilgegrinds

I don't give many grinds anymore but was recently offered FIFTY an hour as the student needs an A1 and that's what all my students got last year. I can't take them on as I'm expecting and have no time. However, was wondering...is that normal? Seems an awful lot of money. I declare what I make and the mother in question said that as she knows I do that she'd pay what she'd expect to get.

Lawliet

I think 40-50 euros is pretty much the going rate

eVeNtInE

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LovexxLife

I pay 35 for an hour and 15 mins for english higher grind

lasair

I charge 25 an hour for irish and biology grinds.

Hillel

eVeNtInE wrote: »

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That figure is spot on, and in many cases that "hour" is flexible.
If you're asked for any more than this, go elsewhere.

Not all teachers charge, there is still a strong social conscience out there.
Some give extra tuition, either at lunchtime, or immediately after school.
Others have dropped their rates in response to the national crisis.
One highly regarded singing teacher I know, with many years experience, dropped her rates to €20 per hour.
Many of her pupils simply couldn't afford the €30 per hour she charged last year.
We need more of this!

pbarry

AllHonours.ie have an average hourly rate of €23/hour based on 193 grinds submitted over the last 3 weeks. Average hourly rate in grind schools would be in line with the AllHonours average, although unfortunately you do not receive the same student-teacher ratio.

RetroRainbow

Well, €23 isn't bad at all. I'm planning on picking up a Maths grind, myself.

lasair

I think some people do charge a ridiculous amount for grinds...there is a physics teacher in the school where i work that charges 50€ an hour and doesn even supply the material....
I think 30€ should be the most charged as its students and if they want the a1 they will put in the extra effort with the subject especailly if they are shelling it out...

lauralee28

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

I don't give many grinds anymore but was recently offered FIFTY an hour as the student needs an A1 and that's what all my students got last year. I can't take them on as I'm expecting and have no time. However, was wondering...is that normal? Seems an awful lot of money. I declare what I make and the mother in question said that as she knows I do that she'd pay what she'd expect to get.

All of your students got A1's? Are you serious? Thats nearly unheard of nowadays for a full class to all get A1's. Well done. I charge €30(each) per hour for groups of 4 in Irish.

pathway33

lauralee28 wrote: »

I charge €30(each) per hour for groups of 4 in Irish.

That's €120 per hour you make. Course you'd have to charge that much with all the tax you'd pay on it

lauralee28

pathway33 wrote: »

That's €120 per hour you make. Course you'd have to charge that much with all the tax you'd pay on it

Of course Pathway . Thats why i do several groups a week:)

pathway33

lauralee28 wrote: »

Of course Pathway . Thats why i do several groups a week:)

Must give you very little leisure time considering all the homework you have to correct from your day job. I hope you don't work yourself into an early grave

lasair

For the last 2 years all mine have done well..one got a b1 this year which was kinda a bummer to me but he did f all input during the year...Other students got A1,2...All are now studying Irish as an arts subject in uni...

lauralee28

pathway33 wrote: »

Must give you very little leisure time considering all the homework you have to correct from your day job. I hope you don't work yourself into an early grave

Lots of leisure time Pathway. Super organised I am, with excellent time management skills.

pathway33

lasair wrote: »

For the last 2 years all mine have done well..one got a b1 this year which was kinda a bummer to me but he did f all input during the year...Other students got A1,2...All are now studying Irish as an arts subject in uni...

how do you rate the chances of the lazy guy passing his exams in college?

lasair

Personally I think he will do ok..... He asked me last week would I give him an odd grind or two in the subject.....I hope he will to be honest.....

elmoslattery

it depends on ur qualifications. If you have teaching qualifications then 50/hr sounds bout right but if all you have is a good grade in the LC then mabye 25-35/hr

Hillel

elmoslattery wrote: »

it depends on ur qualifications. If you have teaching qualifications then 50/hr sounds bout right but if all you have is a good grade in the LC then mabye 25-35/hr

NO, €50/hour is NOT "bout right". The going rate is €20 - €35 and MANY teachers give over the hour for the higher figure. STOP trying to talk up the rate! People are under enough pressure as it is without this blatant opportunism.

Thanks.

gaeilgebeo

Hillel wrote: »

NO, €50/hour is NOT "bout right". The going rate is €20 - €35 and MANY teachers give over the hour for the higher figure. STOP trying to talk up the rate! People are under enough pressure as it is without this blatant opportunism.

Thanks.

While I do agree that €50 is on the expensive side (I myself charge €30 per student per hour), if someone is "under pressure", they are obviously not going to chose a grind that costs €50. No one is putting a gun to anyones head to take a grind!

TheCardHolder

I thought you had to have teaching qualifications to give grinds? I'd gladly give a bit of help in subjects I got A's in for cheap rates

gaeilgegrinds

Technically anyone can offer grinds. I'd prefer someone with knowledge of teaching, marking and examining but that's just me. I'd never ever charge fifty might I add. I charged 35 when I did grinds and after I allowed for tax (trust me, not worth trying to fiddle the system) was on 20. I sometimes took two and charged thirty but never ever kicked anyone out, was usually an hour and twenty minutes or so. Regarding whoever picked up on my comments on As, all my grinds students last year got As, but not in my class, would be a rather unique mixed ability group if they did!

Lawliet

TheCardHolder wrote: »

I thought you had to have teaching qualifications to give grinds?

Well it's not like it's regulated by anyone

pathway33

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

after I allowed for tax (trust me, not worth trying to fiddle the system) was on 20.

Do you have to register a business name or are the revenue just happy if you hand over the tax?

lauralee28

pathway33 wrote: »

Do you have to register a business name or are the revenue just happy if you hand over the tax?

Yes Pathway, you can actually go to the revenue office and hand over the cash for tax purposes.

Jam-Fly

alot depends on whether or not it's individual or to a group. For individual, anything up to 50 is normal enough I think. For group sessions (5 or more), 20 is about standard with 30 being on the upper end.

Daragh101

if i did grinds there is no way id pay tax on it!...they could never finf out like!

implausible

I'm hoping that there are geographical differences or something but I could never charge €50 for one grind! Is that in Dublin?

I'm teaching nearly ten years, well experienced in my subject and an experienced examiner and charge €25. But, I'm in a rural area and don't know anyone else giving grinds so maybe I'm out of the loop!

pathway33

lauralee28 wrote: »

Yes Pathway, you can actually go to the revenue office and hand over the cash for tax purposes.

it was a genuine question . I'm familiar with the october 31st deadline for payment of non-paye tax and the form 11 which has to be completed.

I'm just wondering if the teacher paying tax on grinds has a business name

lasair

Actually 2 weeks ago the revenue said that they are cracking down on people who give grinds. They are going to be going through the adds and tracking people for under declaration of tax/non payment. They are cracking down on teachers also. I think it was in last mondays indo...

lauralee28

pathway33 wrote: »

it was a genuine question . I'm familiar with the october 31st deadline for payment of non-paye tax and the form 11 which has to be completed.

I'm just wondering if the teacher paying tax on grinds has a business name

I'm quaking!

lauralee28

lasair wrote: »

Actually 2 weeks ago the revenue said that they are cracking down on people who give grinds. They are going to be going through the adds and tracking people for under declaration of tax/non payment. They are cracking down on teachers also. I think it was in last mondays indo...

They can crack down all they like. Its going to be impossible to narrow in on people! What about those who dont advertise?

Daragh101

even if they do advertise they still cant prove people have being taking them up on the actual grinds!

pathway33

lauralee28 wrote: »

I'm quaking!

I didn't mean I was going to rat anyone out. Just would like to know the procedure for giving grinds and paying tax as it's something I may do in the future

lauralee28

pathway33 wrote: »

I didn't mean I was going to rat anyone out. Just would like to know the procedure for giving grinds and paying tax as it's something I may do in the future

Well i'm not going to lie to you. I haven't paid any tax on my
grinds. I dont think you'll find too many teachers who do.

Lawliet

deemark wrote: »

I'm hoping that there are geographical differences or something but I could never charge €50 for one grind! Is that in Dublin?

I'm teaching nearly ten years, well experienced in my subject and an experienced examiner and charge €25. But, I'm in a rural area and don't know anyone else giving grinds so maybe I'm out of the loop!

I'm in a rural area too, and most round here would charge €50, but then a lot of the teachers giving grinds would be from the town, which is a good bit away. So I assume the 50 would be to cover their travel expenses as well as the actual grind.

pbarry

pathway33 wrote: »

Do you have to register a business name or are the revenue just happy if you hand over the tax?

You don't require a business name, just need to include the income in your tax return.

pathway33

pbarry wrote: »

You don't require a business name, just need to include the income in your tax return.

Cool. Thanks. That's the form 11/11E due in by October 31st ?

pbarry

pathway33 wrote: »

Cool. Thanks. That's the form 11/11E due in by October 31st ?

Yeah pretty sure that's the one!

zoom!

If I was a teacher I wouldn't charge anything. If I was doing grinds only then I'd say about 20-30 per session but if ur a teacher and giving grinds to your students you should be ashamed.

spurious

No teacher I know gives grinds to their own students. Extra classes yes, but not paid grinds.

gaeilgebeo

zoom! wrote: »

If I was a teacher I wouldn't charge anything. If I was doing grinds only then I'd say about 20-30 per session but if ur a teacher and giving grinds to your students you should be ashamed.

I dont think you'll find many teachers giving grinds to their own students! Seriously!

Hillel

Lawliet wrote: »

I'm in a rural area too, and most round here would charge €50, but then a lot of the teachers giving grinds would be from the town, which is a good bit away. So I assume the 50 would be to cover their travel expenses as well as the actual grind.

Yeah, right!

Hint for students and parents: If you're asked for more than €25 per hour, just let out a loud guffaw, and look elsewhere.
(Don't worry, there's plenty out there who'll give grinds at that rate. Just ask around! )

Hillel

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

I dont think you'll find many teachers giving grinds to their own students! Seriously!

I simply don't understand why this keeps arising.

The "Codes of Professional Conduct for Teachers" is clear: Teachers "should avoid direct conflict between their private interests and their professional work."

There is an obvious conflict where a teacher gives grinds to one of his/her own students. There is not a Board of Management in the country who would stand over it. End of!

gaeilgebeo

Hillel wrote: »

I simply don't understand why this keeps arising.

The "Codes of Professional Conduct for Teachers" is clear: Teachers "should avoid direct conflict between their private interests and their professional work."

There is an obvious conflict where a teacher gives grinds to one of his/her own students. There is not a Board of Management in the country who would stand over it. End of!

Exactly my point if you read it. You wont find many teachers who do give grinds to there own students. I strongly disagree with it. However, Hillel, I've been on a Board of Managment as a staff representitive and although the issue never arose, I can tell you now that it is not a sackable offence!

Hillel

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Exactly my point if you read it. You wont find many teachers who do give grinds to there own students.

I did read and understand it.
My point is that giving grinds to ones own students is a clear breach of ethics and I'm surprised that it is even a matter for discussion.

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

However, Hillel, I've been on a Board of Managment as a staff representitive and although the issue never arose, I can tell you now that it is not a sackable offence!

Any instance of such behaviour brought to the attention of the BOM would be acted upon - as would any other breach of the "Codes of Conduct". The board does not have any discretion on this, all breaches of the codes, formally referred to them, must be followed up. The action taken would depend on the circumstances. (Most likely a verbal warning, if it were the first time.)

lauralee28

Hillel wrote: »

I did read and understand it.
My point is that giving grinds to ones own students is a clear breach of ethics and I'm surprised that it is even a matter for discussion.



Any instance of such behaviour brought to the attention of the BOM would be acted upon - as would any other breach of the "Codes of Conduct". The board does not have any discretion on this, all breaches of the codes, formally referred to them, must be followed up. The action taken would depend on the circumstances. (Most likely a verbal warning, if it were the first time.)

While I strongly disagree with teachers giving grinds to their own students it does happen where a teacher may give grinds to students in their school. Hillel, it is not a serious breach of the code of conduct or a matter of urgency for the Board of Managment in a school (much as you clearly want it to be considering your HUGE issue with grinds in general)

randylonghorn

Hillel wrote: »

I simply don't understand why this keeps arising.

Mainly because you keep bringing it up, directly or indirectly, as far as I can see.

I'm getting a little tired of some of the sub-surface cross-currents sloshing around this forum recently ... a forum, by the way, which is intended primarily for LC students and their needs. Those who wish to offer helpful advice and / or share useful experience are of course extremely welcome, but arguments re: teachers' contracts / codes of conduct are probably better placed in Teaching & Learning.


On the general thread topic, I think we have a general sense of the norms around the place by now.

As when shopping for anything, use your common sense, "shop around" and see what is the best value for money. Word of mouth is often the best way to identify those who provide a good, value-for-money service.

Caveat emptor!

("Let the buyer beware!" ... for those of you who missed out on a real education! :pac: )