Nurses

muboop1

Hey,

I'm writing to ask peoples genuine opinions.
My parents are both public servants. They were both told today to expect/prepare for a porential 12% pay cut next year. No i've no link or no anything just what my mum told me. Personally with the economy etc I won't make a complaint. Whatever.

However, I was also told something else.
Many of you may not know, but nurses get paid specialty bonuses. As in if you were in ICU(intensive care unit), work un-socialable hour or pediatrics(child patients) etc..., you are entitled to an extra sum added to your paycheck(only one, no matter how many you qualify for, if you worked in an ICU in pediatrics at un-socialable hours you get the most paid one).

The problem is, firstly i agree with these payments. Not all the reasons for benefits but the majority.

Why?

Well my mum works in pediatrics.

She is lucky enough to of moved up ranks so she no longer has to work un-socialable hours, but still works in the ICU, in a pediatric hospital.

I can honestly remember numerous times when my mum came home in tears after caring for a child both with some malfunction(crudely put sorry i'm drunk, can't find the work i want) and cared for the baby its entire life to have it die... cry her heart out get depressed then go to work the next day in tatters and care for another child.

I have seen my mum go to work when obviously she should call in sick because of the care she has for these babies/children.

These babies my mum saw as often as their mothers. More. In pediatrics women (and the odd man) deal with the type of **** we see in our nightmares.

They deal with children form their birth and care for them for months and years and honestly there is a high enough mortality rate.

They see babies they care for die.
This is not something you come immune to.
So i for one feel they deserve extra pay.

That the government is considering removing it i find absolutely appalling.

Worse, these women would of trained to become normal nurses and then had to specialize after graduation to become pediatrics.

These women actually care and go through extra mental and financial stress to help children.

That they would have their pay reduced is an insane gesture by the government.

I feel these women are already underpaid.

These nurses everyday show more bravery then we will ever show...

**** the thought that they could lost an extra benefit for it...

Please give your opinions or mail me if you have a question.

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Just so everyone is clear, my problem isn't with the 12% cut whether it is real or fake potential or totally unrealistic(**** maybe but i digress ).

My problem is with the specialty bonuses. Not all of them I'm sure, but ones such as Peds etc...

minidazzler

IMO, Nurses are the people who earn every cent they make and should get more.

Especially those in ICU and Pead's. They take an enormous toll on people emotionally as well as physically.

Kudos to your mam for doing the job.

but I highly doubt there will be any pay cut. especially not a 12% ibe,

Sharpshooter

Could we keep this thread on topic and report the trolls, please.

stefanj

Before I comment, I would need to know what she actually gets paid. It's all relative.

Thornography

The only benefit the government seem to want to bestow upon us while they take our real ones away is the benefit of still having that job.

I for one hate that benefit without the REAL benefits the job should come with.

Your mother and people like her are amazing people who contribute allot to society, FACT. Do they deserve the money and more? Certainly. Do they deserve their benefits of the jobs? Certainly. Will they have a say about the pay cut? Certainly not, and to lessen the blow, im sure they will be told *The benefit is you still have a job to come into*

I became clinically depressed because of my job and what I do, took a paycut, 2 befits taken from me and never got my bonus. The government doesn't give a ****, and il be sure to tell you, they don't with your mother also.

little can be done about it.

little will be done.

Thats life , all we can do is sit in silent protest and be glad people like your mother still will continue to show up to work with no benefit and 12% paycut to take care of our nations sick.

Sharpshooter

stefanj wrote: »

Before I comment, I would need to know what she actually gets paid. It's all relative.

It's none of your buisness.

Thornography

Sharpshooter wrote: »

It's none of your buisness.

+1 but the answer is clearly.... Not enough.

muboop1

minidazzler wrote: »

IMO, Nurses are the people who earn every cent they make and should get more.

Especially those in ICU and Pead's. They take an enormous toll on people emotionally as well as physically.

Kudos to your mam for doing the job.

but I highly doubt there will be any pay cut. especially not a 12% ibe,

Maybe i dunno. My mum said some report came out suggesting all public sector workers take a furthur 10% paycut.
Look honestly if all public sector ppl get it, she will and whatever.

And the other 2% is apparently either a levy or another pension thing? again not definate.

But she mentioned the potential speciallity thing and i nearly blew my rocker.
Again it is just speculation.
But i'm sure its based on something, whether will happen or not whatever.

I'm old enough that their income etc wont affect me.

My parents can i hope even still get by comfortably with the cut if it happens,again whatever.

Its more the principal of the matter!

That the people we trust to such a harsh environment would lose the only benefit they get for it is insane. That it would be considered is just plain wrong.

Bare in mind some nurses work bad hours in normal hospitals and never get close to patients and still get near enough the same pay. And why should'nt they get extra i suppose. They work harder shifts etc...

But ped's well another ball game, being with a child its whole life will result in a bond being formed no matter how much you resist it... The death fo such a child...

Look, talk to any parent who has had a child in a bad way from birth. They have always got so much respect for the nurses and what they put up with on a day to day basis. And they don't see the other children they are caring for at the given time!

Also worthy of note. A certain childrens hospital in Dublin is no longer recruiting. As in, if a nurse quits her position will not be filled???

Wtf??? Children are being understaffed because the government?? thats atrocious...

muboop1

stefanj wrote: »

Before I comment, I would need to know what she actually gets paid. It's all relative.

A nurse? the info is all available on the HSE website i think, go look yourself!

But it really isnt relevant i believe.

How much would you want to get paid to care for dying and very sick babies you care for on a day to day basis?

Watching children you care for and have known all their lives die...

I personally havent the strength for it... couldn't be paid enough..

Especially when i could get paid just as much for sitting in an office or in A+E dealing with broken bones of people I neither know or care about,

Nursing is already an underpaid profession imo...

Why take from those that literally give the most imo...
Some nurses give more then you or I will ever give...

Sharpshooter

muboop1 wrote: »

A nurse? the info is all available on the HSE website i think, go look yourself!

But it really isnt relevant i believe.

How much would you want to get paid to care for dying and very sick babies you care for on a day to day basis?

Watching children you care for and have known all their lives die...

I personally havent the strength for it... couldn't be paid enough..

Especially when i could get paid just as much for sitting in an office or in A+E dealing with broken bones of people I neither know or care about,

Nursing is already an underpaid profession imo...

Why take from those that literally give the most imo...
Some nurses give more then you or I will ever give...

The person you are replying to imo is a troll.

Their food is replies from you and anyone else that takes exception to what they say.

In simple terms don't answer and don't feed.

minidazzler

I'll wait until I hear something official before I make any judgements on the Pay Cuts.

Given the referendum it could deffo be some Lisbon Scare Mongering going on.

Other than that, I highly respect our mother for the job she does, if it wasn't for the Nurses of the old Erinville hospital in Cork, my little sister wouldn't be alive. It took a nurse to catch a condition that a doctor missed.

muboop1

minidazzler wrote: »

I'll wait until I hear something official before I make any judgements on the Pay Cuts.

Given the referendum it could deffo be some Lisbon Scare Mongering going on.

Other than that, I highly respect our mother for the job she does, if it wasn't for the Nurses of the old Erinville hospital in Cork, my little sister wouldn't be alive. It took a nurse to catch a condition that a doctor missed.

As i said, i have no definite proof etc, just what my mum was told to prepare for in work(i cannot confirm who from, and not going to wake her up to ask :pac:). Nothing was definite(she told my dad he wasn't actually told anything).

I hope it was just scare mongering!
Not for personal financial reasons, but for so many other reasons!

I hope i would feel the same if my mum wasn't involved. Just i guess i see the effect it has on people every day so i can see the reality of it.

Again ill repeat I hope it isn't true.

This was more of a drunken rant/query as to what people think of the potential!

Senna

A nurse on Frontline this week made a good point, for ever 3 nurses there is 2 administrators. If FF had any balls they would made the decision to cut admin and management staff, everyone knows the PS & CS are bloated with pencil pushers and jobs created out of bureaucracy .
I think the majority of PS & CS workers would accept pay cuts if it was a last resort, but for those cowards in FF it their first resort.

muboop1

Senna wrote: »

A nurse on Frontline this week made a good point, for ever 3 nurses there is 2 administrators. If FF had any balls they would made the decision to cut admin and management staff, everyone knows the PS & CS are bloated with pencil pushers and jobs created out of bureaucracy .
I think the majority of PS & CS workers would accept pay cuts if it was a last resort, but for those cowards in FF it their first resort.

I agree, but the point is, that admin and managerial nursing staff for the most part at least the higher up ones anyway don't recieve these speciality bonuses. So cuts just hit front line.

My query(although i agree with you) isn't with admin on managers as they don't receive it. That is another totally separate issue(just as valid do). But why should a nurse not be rewarded for working through extra **** over a nurse who isn't? Especially when she is likely more qualified(in case of peds anyway).

Granted lucky to have their job and all that.. but watching children die daily isn't a normal circumstance is it?

Rabies

There won't be a 12% cut. Bonuses might get trimmed, but a pay cut of that size won't happen. It would hit the international media and the Irish government would get slaughtered.

I find nurses better than doctors when dealing with patients, usually great mannered people an know their stuff

muboop1

Rabies wrote: »

There won't be a 12% cut. Bonuses might get trimmed, but a pay cut of that size won't happen. It would hit the international media and the Irish government would get slaughtered.

I find nurses better than doctors when dealing with patients, usually great mannered people an know their stuff

Meh I don't even care about that cut, its the specialty I'm mainly concerned about.

However for my parents sake i hope ALL of it is rubbish!

For my own personal whatever its the specialty that concerns me.

anonymous_joe

Irish nurses are overpaid. It's that simple.

All our public servants are, and their wages need to be cut before they drag this country into bankruptcy.

I've plenty of sympathy for the various nurses, teachers, etc, but if it's a question of them taking a pay cut or the rest of us being fcuked I know which I'd make.

It's not a question of 'deserves' or 'merits' it's a question of what we can afford, and we can't afford what we pay right now.

There really isn't a right answer, a wrong answer, or a moral stand to take. It all comes down to the fact that you can only spend as much money as you have.

Senna

muboop1 wrote: »

I agree, but the point is, that admin and managerial nursing staff for the most part at least the higher up ones anyway don't recieve these speciality bonuses. So cuts just hit front line.

My query(although i agree with you) isn't with admin on managers as they don't receive it. That is another totally separate issue(just as valid do). But why should a nurse not be rewarded for working through extra **** over a nurse who isn't? Especially when she is likely more qualified(in case of peds anyway).

Granted lucky to have their job and all that.. but watching children die daily isn't a normal circumstance is it?

I more meant if they cut "waste" staff first they wouldn't have to cut nurse wages/bonuses. I dont work in the PS but it would piss me off to be taking a pay cut/losing bonuses and seeing non-performing staff stay in their job.

Sharpshooter

Rabies wrote: »

I find nurses better than doctors when dealing with patients, usually great mannered people an know their stuff

My nephew suffers with Crohn's and the nurses in Beaumont hospital were nothing short of angels.

Money was poured into the Anna livia, for what?

Money was again poured into the Spire.

Again, for what?

This country could have done without both and the collective money put to good use, for example the hospitals.

muboop1

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Irish nurses are overpaid. It's that simple.

All our public servants are, and their wages need to be cut before they drag this country into bankruptcy.

I've plenty of sympathy for the various nurses, teachers, etc, but if it's a question of them taking a pay cut or the rest of us being fcuked I know which I'd make.

It's not a question of 'deserves' or 'merits' it's a question of what we can afford, and we can't afford what we pay right now.

There really isn't a right answer, a wrong answer, or a moral stand to take. It all comes down to the fact that you can only spend as much money as you have.

Entitled to you opinion as muhc as anyone i suppose, but can you honestly say nurses are over paid? hand on your heart?

Bare in mind that implies all nurses?

Do you know the average nurses wage per hour? Do you know the stats? Or are you just doing the usual bull **** jumping on the bad wagon?

I'm being very neutral in this. But you haven't backed up your opinion at all.

And regardless you haven't even addressed the issue!

The issue was should a specialty nurse in say peds get paid the same as average nurse?

You sir haven't read everything posted here and are just being a twat.

"oh all public servants get paid to much blah blah..." thats not what im looking for opinions on here. Enough threads about that already!

I guarantee do, you will say they get paid to much until it is your child in there sick and potentially dying. A child they have known as long as you and see and care for more then you.

See how much they are working and how hard they work...

Thank god for you, you havent been in that position...

They are in it every day...

twat

Calhoun

I would agree with you that specialty bonuses should stay, i think thats the point of it being a specialty area they are bringing more to the table than regular nurses.

Generally though i agree with Senna's comments about reducing admin staff before hitting front line services.

Rabies

muboop1 wrote: »

The issue was should a specialty nurse in say peds get paid the same as average nurse?

I'm gonna say that any nurse that furthers her training and skills in a specialised area should be paid a bit more. They've put in the time and effort and should be good at what they do and get rewarded for it. So yes.

Rabies

muboop1,

ease up.
Points are being made. This is personal to you, but attack the post not the poster.

Infracted.

BlueButterBean

Omg!!.. you mean to say I should be geting paid more!!?

harsea8

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Irish nurses are overpaid. It's that simple.

All our public servants are, and their wages need to be cut before they drag this country into bankruptcy.

I've plenty of sympathy for the various nurses, teachers, etc, but if it's a question of them taking a pay cut or the rest of us being fcuked I know which I'd make.

It's not a question of 'deserves' or 'merits' it's a question of what we can afford, and we can't afford what we pay right now.

There really isn't a right answer, a wrong answer, or a moral stand to take. It all comes down to the fact that you can only spend as much money as you have.

Dunno if nurses are strictly speaking overpaid, but the last sentence is absolutely spot on....we simply cannot afford to pay the public sector wage bill as it currently stands. That said, removing financial incentives for people to work in more stressful positions is just plain stupid (that applies to both public sector and private business)....ultimately, without a monetary benefit, most people will just choose not to take those stressful positions