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No democracy in europe before 1945?

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    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    No democracy in europe before 1945?

    http://euobserver.com/onm/media/file1/1bc510aa2476.png

    really?


    whats up with these posters?
    do Libertas have complete lack of knowledge in European and Irish history?

    :rolleyes:

    And let's not forget that we seem to have democracy in Ireland from 1916. I must have a word with my old history teacher as he told me all the wrong things. :rolleyes:


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    mackerski
    Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭mackerski


    meglome wrote: »
    And let's not forget that we seem to have democracy in Ireland from 1916. I must have a word with my old history teacher as he told me all the wrong things. :rolleyes:

    Patrick Pearse had a mandate, don't ya know...


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    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    meglome wrote: »
    we seem to have democracy in Ireland from 1916. I must have a word with my old history teacher as he told me all the wrong things
    1916... 1916... let me think. Wasn't there an armed insurrection in Dublin that year against the elected government of the day, which when the dust had settled, left several hundred dead and the city center in bits?


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    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    If Declan Ganley said it, then it must be true.

    Vote No!

    Oh... wait...


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    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    robindch wrote: »
    1916... 1916... let me think. Wasn't there an armed insurrection in Dublin that year against the elected government of the day, which when the dust had settled, left several hundred dead and the city center in bits?

    My Great Granpappy was involved. I understand the locals kept tellin' him to go way outta that. But he didn't. They weren't happy at all.


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    imeddyhobbs
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    I hoped we could do it again http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Saved-Civilization-Hinges-History/dp/0385418493#reader


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    jhegarty
    Registered Users Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    No democracy in europe before 1945?

    There was very little democracy in Europe in the years leading up to 1945.

    With the exception of Ireland, England, Iceland and Switzerland what European countries had an elected government in control on the 1/1/1944 ?


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    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    jhegarty wrote: »
    There was very little democracy in Europe in the years leading up to 1945.

    With the exception of Ireland, England, Iceland and Switzerland what European countries had an elected government in control on the 1/1/1944 ?

    Many European countries had temporarily ceased to exist in 1944. Which European countries had elected governments in 1939 might be a better question.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    jhegarty
    Registered Users Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Many European countries had temporarily ceased to exist in 1944. Which European countries had elected governments in 1939 might be a better question.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    But you wouldn't say German Democracy 1871 - 2009 , you would say German Democracy 1945 - 2009 , or possibly 1871 - 1933 & 1945 - 2009.


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    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    jhegarty wrote: »
    But you wouldn't say German Democracy 1871 - 2009 , you would say German Democracy 1945 - 2009 , or possibly 1871 - 1933 & 1945 - 2009.

    Maybe...but the assertion of that particular Libertas poster from the OP is that there was no democracy in Europe before 1945, which is clearly untrue.


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    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    jhegarty wrote: »
    But you wouldn't say German Democracy 1871 - 2009 , you would say German Democracy 1945 - 2009 , or possibly 1871 - 1933 & 1945 - 2009.

    Personally, I wouldn't try to reduce it to an emotive slogan on a poster, so the issue wouldn't really arise.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    sceptre
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    It probably would have made far more sense had they gone "1957-2009?" (or technically 1958-2009) but I suspect the date of the founding of the EEC might have been lost on people who would at least see 1945 and think "oh yeah, the year Dumbledore beat Grindelwald (and that other European conflict ended)".

    I need sleep. Don't worry, I know. Normal service soon.


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    OldJay
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    No democracy in europe before 1945?

    http://euobserver.com/onm/media/file1/1bc510aa2476.png

    really?


    whats up with these posters?
    do Libertas have complete lack of knowledge in European and Irish history?

    :rolleyes:

    There was no democracy in "Europe" (as usual "Europe" is a vague reference by these posters) AFTER 1945 either until the USSR caved in over FORTY years later.

    The thing is that there are people who fall for all this scaremongering bullsh.


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    OldJay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    jhegarty wrote: »
    But you wouldn't say German Democracy 1871 - 2009 , you would say German Democracy 1945 - 2009 , or possibly 1871 - 1933 & 1945 - 2009.

    "Germany" was not democratic from 1945.


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    Vincent Vega
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Vincent Vega


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    No democracy in europe before 1945?

    http://euobserver.com/onm/media/file1/1bc510aa2476.png

    really?


    whats up with these posters?
    do Libertas have complete lack of knowledge in European and Irish history?

    :rolleyes:

    Can be read two ways.
    There was not democracy across the whole of europe before 1945.


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    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Vincent Vega wrote: »
    Can be read two ways.
    There was not democracy across the whole of europe before 1945.

    What about Ireland, Switzerland, the UK during WW2?

    There was not democracy across the whole of Europe after 1945 either. Communism ruled in most of Eastern Europe up until 1990 and not to mention Spain and Greece which flirted with dictatorship since 1945. Basically the Libertas poster is a load of bo!!ocks.


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    OldJay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    Vincent Vega wrote: »
    There was not democracy across the whole of europe before 1945.
    Or after 1945 until the fall of communism.
    See? The poster is a lie aimed at plucking the heartstrings of those too lazy or unwilling to actually think about it.


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    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Well, whatever it was it doesn't seem to have worked...


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    Rebelheart
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    robindch wrote: »
    1916... 1916... let me think. Wasn't there an armed insurrection in Dublin that year against the elected government of the day, which when the dust had settled, left several hundred dead and the city center in bits?

    Yeah, except the "elected government" in question was not in its own country. Next time, try and stay awake for the whole history class.


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    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    robindch wrote:
    1916... 1916... let me think. Wasn't there an armed insurrection in Dublin that year against the elected government of the day, which when the dust had settled, left several hundred dead and the city center in bits
    Yeah, except the "elected government" in question was not in its own country.
    I didn't say the government resided in the same contiguous landmass as the people doing the shooting. I used the phrase "elected government" in the way I did for a very good reason -- go figure.
    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Next time, try and stay awake for the whole history class.
    I'll stay awake if you promise go to one :)


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