MMA or BJJ for the Olympics?

Pride Fighter

With the brillant news Rio has secured the rights to host the 2016 olympics is there a chance MMA or BJJ could become an olympic sport? As far as I know the host can push the IOC to introduce a paticular sport for consideration, Tokyo got Judo introduced, Seoul Taekwondo, London is going to get rugby sevens introduced.

As Brazil is a world leader in MMA they would win several medals if they were to introduce it.

Thoughts?

rovert

Doesn’t a sport have to be sport for x number of years before it is allowed to be added to the Olympics? Anyway the whole process of getting a sport added to the Olympics is very expensive, political and corrupt. I would like to see it but I don’t think it will happen anytime soon.

Bubs101

I'd say BJJ has a decent chance. Didn't they add Baseball just for the Atalanta games and then cut it. You have to table the motion for a long long time though, not sure when the cut of point is

cowzerp

i would say neither has any hope at the moment, there just not big enough tbh.

Hephaestus

With Judo already being an Olympic sport I cant see BJJ ever being introduced unfortunately!

JohnMc1

Capoeira has a better shot. BJJ Gi would look to similar to Judo and BJJ and sub-grappling would probably have a time limit forced on them.

pablohoney87

Id say there will definitely be a demo event. Like the ufc had before ufc 100.

Killme00

cowzerp wrote: »

i would say neither has any hope at the moment, there just not big enough tbh.

+1, sure even the Brasil Judo is a bigger sport


Sub wrestling is more likely and even that may be pushing it

Killme00

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Capoeira has a better shot. BJJ Gi would look to similar to Judo and BJJ and sub-grappling would probably have a time limit forced on them.

Why would dancing be in the Olympics, dont they already have gymnastics?

Black Swan

With the Olympics in Rio, BJJ might have a chance to be included. After all, it's one of their national sports, just like Taekwondo was a national sport in Korea where the games were held. But MMA is not a sport, per se, but rather a category of sports, many of which are not native to Brasil. So the likelihood of entire MMA category being introduced for the Rio games is zero?

Tim_Murphy

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

With the Olympics in Rio, BJJ might have a chance to be included. After all, it's one of their national sports, just like Taekwondo was a national sport in Korea where the games were held. But MMA is not a sport, per se, but rather a category of sports, many of which are not native to Brasil. So the likelihood of entire MMA category being introduced for the Rio games is zero?

MMA is a sport in itself, not just a grouping of individual sports. Won't ever be included in the Olympics of course. No reason why it would really.

cowzerp

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

With the Olympics in Rio, BJJ might have a chance to be included. After all, it's one of their national sports

i was talking to a lad from brazil the other day and i told him i do Brazilian jiu jitsu and he'd never even heard of it-its great but people who think its massive are just thinking that because its big in there own circles, outside mma and the bjj club nobody knows what jitz is or even would of heard of it.

JohnMc1

Killme00 wrote: »

Why would dancing be in the Olympics, dont they already have gymnastics?

Don't let the Capoistas here you say that. :rolleyes: If BJJ was included it would more than likely have time limits forced on it. Then it would resemble Judo Ne-waza accept with more patches on the Gi.

MMA they might as well just put SanShou/SanDa in because again ground work will more than likely be very limited.

KevinH

cowzerp wrote: »

i was talking to a lad from brazil the other day and i told him i do Brazilian jiu jitsu and he'd never even heard of it-its great but people who think its massive are just thinking that because its big in there own circles, outside mma and the bjj club nobody knows what jitz is or even would of heard of it.

Good point.
I suppose it's easy for anyone who trains in BJJ to think that it's huge in brazil because every brazilian we meet does it. But that's because we meet them through BJJ !

Nothingcompares

with the way the current judo rules are going (less and less ground work) i think Bjj and judo are becoming less a like than greco and free style. so it's possible. although highly improbable.

as i've said on this forum before i can't see mma fitting in purely on logistics. the games are too short to have fighters fight 5/6 fights. if the mma they introdue is 'amateur' i don;t think the sport will work.

Roper

If you follow this kind of thing it's actually quite a dreadful thing for Brazilians. It's going to cost billions in a city that has massive social problems as anyone who has been there will attest. Right now Athens and Beijing have massive empty stadia that are costing them millions per year to maintain. Beijing can afford it right now but they're a massive albatross to the Athenians.

I know this isn't the place for that really but I think it's worth highlighting that something as corrupt and money hungry as the IOC is unlikely to listen to people about what sports they want in the games. More likely, they'll follow the money and whatever broadcasting company is bankrolled the bid (there most likely is one) will get the say and the Brazilian people will foot the bill.

Black Swan

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

MMA is a sport in itself, not just a grouping of individual sports.

Admittedly, being in two very different TMA sports, I am a fish-out-of-water in regards to MMA, with others being greatly more knowledgable... so apologies for this. This raises questions for me to ask in seeking clarification from those who practice MMA beyond simply accepting that "MMA is a sport in itself, not just a grouping of individual sports," especially as pertains to whether MMA should be introduced into the Olympics (topic of this thread).

Is there complete agreement that MMA is a specific sport and not a category of related sports as found in TMA? No confusion? For example, Sprawl-and-Brawl Rules fighting are stand-up that avoids ground fighting, while Ground-and-Pound Rules obviously includes ground fighting, these two being as different as Karate is to Judo in the TMA category of sports?

Is Israeli Krav Maga a separate combat system under the MMA category, or not considered MMA?

The title of this thread was "MMA or BJJ for the Olympics?" Is BJJ a separate sport under the MMA category, identical, or different?

Are there substantial differences between the Japanese, Brazilian, and USA competition rules?

Of course there are different styles within Karate, as there are within Judo, but they are considered separate sports under the TMA category. And Brazilian Vale Tudo Rules are "anything goes," which greatly varies from strict standup Sprawl-and Brawl Rules under MMA?

Could it be that what some think as MMA today, is yet too new and that it's lumped all together, but will mature someday and spin-off into what will receive more agreement as separate sports under the MMA category articulate, just like there are separate sports under the TMA category?

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

Won't ever be included in the Olympics of course. No reason why it would really.

I seem to recall that there was once an ancient Olympic sport (Pankration?) that combined boxing with wrestling, but for some reason it is not recognized within today's Olympics?

cowzerp

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Is there complete agreement that MMA is a specific sport and not a category of related sports as found in TMA? No confusion?

Yes is the simple answer, no confusion at all.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Could it be that what some think as MMA today, is yet too new and that it's lumped all together, but will mature someday and spin-off into what will receive more agreement as separate sports under the MMA category articulate, just like there are separate sports under the TMA category?

MMA in the early UFC's was just a mix of individual martial artists taking each other on, from this developed 1 fighting system using the best of the 3 ranges of fighting, taking striking from boxing and muay thai mainly, Clinch from wrestling, Judo and Muay thai even and grappling from BJJ and wrestling mainly with influences from judo, sambo etc..

Now people learn MMA and not 1 art and move into MMA, Of course that still happens but most MMA clubs these days teach MMA and there style will obviously be influenced by the coaches backgrounds, in the future the coaches will not be specialists and will be pure MMA coaches so then this debate will be further pointless, but just like boxing some clubs like to attack and others like to box, this will always come down to preferance and in MMA terms this would be standing or grappling, but the fighters will be versed in all areas as most are now.

Hope that makes sense!

Tim_Murphy

Is there complete agreement that MMA is a specific sport and not a category of related sports as found in TMA? No confusion? For example, Sprawl-and-Brawl Rules fighting are stand-up that avoids ground fighting, while Ground-and-Pound Rules obviously includes ground fighting, these two being as different as Karate is to Judo in the TMA category of sports?

First off, I wouldn’t use the term ‘TMA’ because it means different things to different people so as a term it is pretty useless.

I have no idea what you mean by ‘sprawl and brawl rules’ or ‘ground and pound rules’? I fought in an MMA fight on Saturday night. I had planned to sprawl n brawl for a while but that didn’t happen as my opponent was able to take me down pretty quickly. I managed to reverse the position and GnP’d my way towards a win instead. If you want and try to break everything into your ‘TMA categories’ then you can try and do that but it’s all part of the one sport that is MMA.

Is Israeli Krav Maga a separate combat system under the MMA category, or not considered MMA?

KM is not considered MMA. I’d guess that some KM clubs train in much the same way as MMA clubs but I lot of the KM out there is not like that and is just ‘punch him in the nuts; poke him in the eye; save the day’ nonsense really.

The title of this thread was "MMA or BJJ for the Olympics?" Is BJJ a separate sport under the MMA category, identical, or different?

BJJ is a different sport to MMA.

Are there substantial differences between the Japanese, Brazilian, and USA competition rules?

For MMA? There are differences but it’s still the same game.

And Brazilian Vale Tudo Rules are "anything goes," which greatly varies from strict standup Sprawl-and Brawl Rules under MMA?

Again, I don’t know what you think ‘Sprawl-and Brawl Rules’ are. I’m not sure if there Brazilian Vale Tudo events happen anymore or not. They would be rare I’d imagine.

Could it be that what some think as MMA today, is yet too new and that it's lumped all together, but will mature someday and spin-off into what will receive more agreement as separate sports under the MMA category articulate, just like there are separate sports under the TMA category?

I don’t really understand what you are trying to say here.

seem to recall that there was once an ancient Olympic sport (Pankration?) that combined boxing with wrestling, but for some reason it is not recognized within today's Olympics?

Pankration was part of the ancient Olympics alright.

r_obric

bjj couldnt be included. not enought countries.

judo has entrants from a huge amount of countries, how many countries would have native bjj blackbelts to enter? 10-15 for males, and maybe 5 for females and then split that into weight categories........ thats doesnt make much competition

if brazilians want to compete they could train judo for 7 years.....

Nothingcompares

I think Brasil are already in the top 10 of judo countries. maybe not. i was talking about this with illegalheadbutt the other day and he suggested if BJJ or submission wrestling were in the Olympics you're probably expect about 4/5 countries to medal. Japan, USA, Brasil, UK and maybe the odd Scandinavian/Canadian.

Mellor

If Karate was rejected then BJJ has no chance at the minute

Nothingcompares

BJJ is much more sport orientated than any brand of Karate.

Mellor

Nothingcompares wrote: »

BJJ is much more sport orientated than any brand of Karate.

Why?