patriots eyeing Seau as Mayo cover?

Max Power1

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81313dae&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Good move? It would be interesting, if it happens, to see if Seau still has what it takes. Pats seem to like their LB corps to be experienced rather than young and speedy - he certainly fits that mode!

tallaghtoutlaws

Max Power1 wrote: »

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81313dae&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Good move? It would be interesting, if it happens, to see if Seau still has what it takes. Pats seem to like their LB corps to be experienced rather than young and speedy - he certainly fits that mode!

Dude no offense but re read the article. The article clearly has Seau lobbying for his old job back and not the other way around. Would it be a good move probably not Seau is old and slow at this point. He will add experience to an inexperienced LB corp but I dont think he will strenghten it.

Max Power1

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Dude no offense but re read the article. The article clearly has Seau lobbying for his old job back and not the other way around. Would it be a good move probably not Seau is old and slow at this point. He will add experience to an inexperienced LB corp but I dont think he will strenghten it.

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:ocopy and paste fail.

kryogen

yeah read this the other day, i dont think it would be a great move for the pats in fairness. the guy is a legend but is too old now. he would add great experience but maybe a job on the coaching staff would be better forhim these days

Hazys

Mayo was involved in light practice today (so was Wilfork)...so hopefully he'll be back for the Broncos game...certainly wont be back for the Ravens i would think.

Anyway Seau is too busy getting run over by Bulls at d mo, to make a comeback...but i wouldnt be suprised if injuries are bad near the end of the season, to see Seau suit up for 4 or so games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshYZHRIVoo

kryogen

on Total access they said Mayo and Wilfork both missed practise again?

themont85

kryogen wrote: »

on Total access they said Mayo and Wilfork both missed practise again?

If you were watching Sky Sports they are always a day behind with the show.

Hazys

According to Adam Shefter, he's signing this week.

And in a radio interview this morning, Tom Brady is talking about his arrival as a certainty.

tallaghtoutlaws

Hazys wrote: »

According to Adam Shefter, he's signing this week.

And in a radio interview this morning, Tom Brady is talking about his arrival as a certainty.

I dont know why we bother. What is he going to offer to us now that we dont already have. He is slow and old. Only thing he will add is experience and voice in the huddle. I like Seau dont get me wrong but there are better old guys out there floating on the FA.

Hazys

He'll be a great locker room presence, but as a player i dont know...but who are they going to cut to make space. It'll more than likely be one of the inactives from the Ravens game:

WR Joey Galloway
DB Terrence Wheatley
DB Bret Lockett
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis
LB Jerod Mayo
OL Rich Ohrnberger
OL Kendall Simmons
DL Ron Brace

I could see Galloway getting cut which i think would be disappointing as i think even tho he's played rubbish, its a long season and the chemistry could come in 3 or 4 games.

Although if Galloway gets cut, we could always bring him back as i dont think he'll have teams queuing outside his door to sign him.

Maybe Lockett or Ohrnberger if they will clear waivers to the practise squad

eagle eye

Seau is a legend and he still brings it, but only for a couple of games. He has even said himself that he feels he has about six games in him.

I'm delighted to have him back as a Patriots but once we intend to wrap him up in cotton wool until close to playoff time. In big games you cannot afford to be left without experience and in the latter part of the season that is when the likes of Junior Seau is worth his weight in gold.

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

He'll be a great locker room presence, but as a player i dont know...but who are they going to cut to make space. It'll more than likely be one of the inactives from the Ravens game:

WR Joey Galloway
DB Terrence Wheatley
DB Bret Lockett
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis
LB Jerod Mayo
OL Rich Ohrnberger
OL Kendall Simmons
DL Ron Brace

I could see Galloway getting cut which i think would be disappointing as i think even tho he's played rubbish, its a long season and the chemistry could come in 3 or 4 games.

Although if Galloway gets cut, we could always bring him back as i dont think he'll have teams queuing outside his door to sign him.

Maybe Lockett or Ohrnberger if they will clear waivers to the practise squad

I think its going to be Lawfirm that goes. Our other four RBs have been active every week and affective.

bruschi

eagle eye wrote: »

I think its going to be Lawfirm that goes. Our other four RBs have been active every week and affective.

not really sure Moroney is setting things alight again this year. I couldnt see him cut, but BJGE is good for the short yard gains. altho you're right in saying the others are doing well Morris very good at picking up those 3rd downs that Faulk used to specialise in.

ReacherCreature

bruschi wrote: »

not really sure Moroney is setting things alight again this year. I couldnt see him cut, but BJGE is good for the short yard gains. altho you're right in saying the others are doing well Morris very good at picking up those 3rd downs that Faulk used to specialise in.

I don't think that's fair. Faulk has been a stud on 3rd downs imo for the last while. Patriots use him quite a bit and he's been effective in a rotation system which can be difficult to be successful in as no one's running the ball all the time.

tallaghtoutlaws

bruschi wrote: »

not really sure Moroney is setting things alight again this year. I couldnt see him cut, but BJGE is good for the short yard gains. altho you're right in saying the others are doing well Morris very good at picking up those 3rd downs that Faulk used to specialise in.

Faulk has been invaluable again this year. Blocking, Scraping short yards, catching in the backfield.

Morris the usual powerhouse that he is. doesnt get alot a carries but you can expect him to pick up the short yards or get stuffed. But never gives up

Taylor: Why oh why are we not giving the ball to him more it baffles me.

Maroney: Needs to find a system that fits his style. Im forever saying Run forward dude not side to side. Patriots system doesnt suit him as he has no lead blocker to open up lanes. Sorry Maroney you probably have great potential but you wont find it in NE

Green-Ellis: A younger Kevin Faulk and will step right into Faulks shoes when he reitres if we keep Ben that is.

Right now Maroney is the weak link but im seeing BB give him a year to prove himself now he is fit. But I can see him being cut in the offseason if he fails to produce.

D3PO

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Maroney: Needs to find a system that fits his style. Im forever saying Run forward dude not side to side. Patriots system doesnt suit him as he has no lead blocker to open up lanes. Sorry Maroney you probably have great potential but you wont find it in NE

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ive never been a Maroney fan. I just dont think he has what it takes to make it as a running back in the NFL. Falk & Taylor are far superior running backs.

bruschi

I wasnt criticising Faulk there, just saying that Morris has taken over from him on a lot fo third down situations where Faulk was always the automatic choice. He is still a great player, and is brilliant at inside handoffs to take it though the gap at speed. and catching in the backfield. Its good there are more options at RB.

Hazys

I'd let Maroney go before id let Lawfirm go.

He has not grown into the player we though he would...too much fn dancing!!! Did you see his kickoff returns on Sunday? he must have done on average 2 momentum stopping side steps on every return. I have never seen a kickoff return for a touchdown where the returner slows down, its all about speed and a quick turn on kickoof returns.

Hes got the wrong mentality for the NFL...heck im suprised if that worked at the college level. He needs to fix this dancing or we have to let him go, he averaging 2.9yrds a carry, i think its time to cut our losses.

tallaghtoutlaws

Hazys wrote: »

I'd let Maroney go before id let Lawfirm go.

He has not grown into the player we though he would...too much fn dancing!!! Did you see his kickoff returns on Sunday? he must have done on average 2 momentum stopping side steps on every return. I have never seen a kickoff return for a touchdown where the returner slows down, its all about speed and a quick turn on kickoof returns.

Hes got the wrong mentality for the NFL...heck im suprised if that worked at the college level. He needs to fix this dancing or we have to let him go, he averaging 2.9yrds a carry, i think its time to cut our losses.

College football you get away with the dancing crap alot more as the players are not as strong and as fast as the NFL. He dances way too much and doesnt pick a lane quick enough or at all. One problem that faces him that he is not a Singleback RB. He needs a Lead blocker. And unfortunately pro styles dont suit him all the time especially the Pats. I agree with you they should offload him.

ReacherCreature

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Faulk has been invaluable again this year. Blocking, Scraping short yards, catching in the backfield.

Tbh whenever I see Faulk in with the Patriots I get this boost of confidence that the offense will succeed.

Taylor: Why oh why are we not giving the ball to him more it baffles me.

Beyond me too. The fact that there's three other running backs being used on the roster doesn't aide him.

Green-Ellis: A younger Kevin Faulk and will step right into Faulks shoes when he reitres if we keep Ben that is.

Have heard too many rumors in the past about cutting the guy. Would love to see him stick around!

D3PO wrote: »

ive never been a Maroney fan. I just dont think he has what it takes to make it as a running back in the NFL. Falk & Taylor are far superior running backs.

I was excited to see Maroney coming to us after seeing him once or twice and being bigged up in the draft but I'm very against him now. Not to add to any 'hate-war' against him, I just don't think he's been productive enough to justify a round 1 pick.

eagle eye

I'd like to see more tape of Maroney. For some reason there rarely seems to be a hole open for him. The guy has all the skills and is our no.2 RB after Fred Taylor imo. I really like Taylor and the way he gets those hard yards and that extra yard in the trenches. With Maroney, I'm wondering is he too fast up to the line of scrimmage. I mean once you arrive at the line the hold won't open then, but maybe he needs to take his time getting there or something. I rate the guy very highly, you just have to look at what he does anytime he does get a gap. He did have a bad game on Sunday but I'd guesstimate that his YPC is right up there with the best in the league.

And Tallaght on Fred Taylor, the reason he doesn't get more carries is because he is part of a system. That system is designed to get good yardage but also to keep everybody fit. Lawfirm is overrated by a lot of people. I was impressed by him last year when he did a job for us, and this year in preseason but the guy can't block to save his life. Thats the difference between a guys like Maroney and guys like BJGE. I don't want to lose Lawfirm because he adds that extra insurance if we get injuries but anybody thinking that he is in anyway close to Maroney is crazy.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

And Tallaght on Fred Taylor, the reason he doesn't get more carries is because he is part of a system. That system is designed to get good yardage but also to keep everybody fit. Lawfirm is overrated by a lot of people. I was impressed by him last year when he did a job for us, and this year in preseason but the guy can't block to save his life. Thats the difference between a guys like Maroney and guys like BJGE. I don't want to lose Lawfirm because he adds that extra insurance if we get injuries but anybody thinking that he is in anyway close to Maroney is crazy.

I understand all the system but the problem with me and the system with the Patriots is that Taylor is well capable of double the carries he gets now and still be fit. The Patriots have become very over protective of its players in recent years with regards of trying to keep them healthy.

With Maroney its not that holes are not open for him as we dont run him inside at all. His roll is to bounce outside to the 5 and 6 holes off the edge of the line. His problem in the NFL is getting forward. He has the ability to be a lot better and like you I liked him coming out of Minnesota. But he really needs to start thinking like a pro back. Take Peterson he has the ability to slow down and look for gaps and bounce to the available slot and accelarate through it as do many quality backs. Maroney is the same type of back but when he bounces he is like tiger out of Winnie the pooh lateral bouncing and indecisive forward movement.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I understand all the system but the problem with me and the system with the Patriots is that Taylor is well capable of double the carries he gets now and still be fit. The Patriots have become very over protective of its players in recent years with regards of trying to keep them healthy.

With Maroney its not that holes are not open for him as we dont run him inside at all. His roll is to bounce outside to the 5 and 6 holes off the edge of the line. His problem in the NFL is getting forward. He has the ability to be a lot better and like you I liked him coming out of Minnesota. But he really needs to start thinking like a pro back. Take Peterson he has the ability to slow down and look for gaps and bounce to the available slot and accelarate through it as do many quality backs. Maroney is the same type of back but when he bounces he is like tiger out of Winnie the pooh lateral bouncing and indecisive forward movement.

Well Taylor got dinged up on Sunday. Hopefully its nothing major but he is coming off a season where he spent a lot of time injured.

Just look around the league and see how many backs have gone down for a game or more already this season. Off the top of my head I can think of Gore, Parker, LT, Jamaal Lewis, Fargas, Barber, Felix Jones. I'm sure there is many more and its proves that BB is right to protect the guys and use a system rather than one guy getting most of the carries.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Well Taylor got dinged up on Sunday. Hopefully its nothing major but he is coming off a season where he spent a lot of time injured.

Just look around the league and see how many backs have gone down for a game or more already this season. Off the top of my head I can think of Gore, Parker, LT, Jamaal Lewis, Fargas, Barber, Felix Jones. I'm sure there is many more and its proves that BB is right to protect the guys and use a system rather than one guy getting most of the carries.

So what you are saying dont play your backs because they might get inured? The risks of any contact sport. So do you wrap them up in cotton wool? At least with the teams you mentioned bar 1 or 2 they have backs as good who can carry the load.

Gore has Coffee who seems to be fitting in nicely
Parker has Mendenhall
LT has Sproles
Lewis and Harrison who looks solid
Fargas well I would say McFadden but the Raiders are full of injuries
Barber/Jones have Choice

The problem the Pats have if Morris/Ellis/Maroney/Faulk could carry a majority load I would say yes go for it cut Taylors load but the problem is they cant. They are not players you would give a majority share to well Maroney should be but right now he cant do it. Taylor is our only 1st/2nd down back right now.

To add Taylor is a tough son of gun and played in 13 of the 16 games the Jags played in last year. Granted his carries were cut due to his niggly injuries but the Jags did have jones drew.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

So what you are saying dont play your backs because they might get inured? The risks of any contact sport. So do you wrap them up in cotton wool? At least with the teams you mentioned bar 1 or 2 they have backs as good who can carry the load.

Gore has Coffee who seems to be fitting in nicely
Parker has Mendenhall
LT has Sproles
Lewis and Harrison who looks solid
Fargas well I would say McFadden but the Raiders are full of injuries
Barber/Jones have Choice

The problem the Pats have if Morris/Ellis/Maroney/Faulk could carry a majority load I would say yes go for it cut Taylors load but the problem is they cant. They are not players you would give a majority share to well Maroney should be but right now he cant do it. Taylor is our only 1st/2nd down back right now.

To add Taylor is a tough son of gun and played in 13 of the 16 games the Jags played in last year. Granted his carries were cut due to his niggly injuries but the Jags did have jones drew.

No man, I'm not saying don't play them. I'm saying don't play them if you don't have to. The offensive play-calling at the moment is very pass orientated anyways so they are not getting as many reps as you would like to see. The problem is that every guy needs to get reps on gameday to stay sharp. And you do need to limit the number of reps you give to any one guy.
We have lost too many guys to injury in the past by over-using them. Corey Dillon for example comes to mind, he had a great season but got banged up the next year and was pretty much finished, he got far too many reps at his age. Fred Taylor is 33 years old and while it would be great to see more of him we need him for a full season. Its in the playoffs that we can start to use him more if he is still fresh at that stage.
Like what I was saying about Seau, the guy has about six games in him. Its coming to crunch time and the playoffs that we want to have Seau around, his experience will be invaluable at that stage. Its the same with Taylor, we need him later this season for the big games. Keeping him fresh is paramount in our quest for a Superbowl.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

No man, I'm not saying don't play them. I'm saying don't play them if you don't have to. The offensive play-calling at the moment is very pass orientated anyways so they are not getting as many reps as you would like to see. The problem is that every guy needs to get reps on gameday to stay sharp. And you do need to limit the number of reps you give to any one guy.
We have lost too many guys to injury in the past by over-using them. Corey Dillon for example comes to mind, he had a great season but got banged up the next year and was pretty much finished, he got far too many reps at his age. Fred Taylor is 33 years old and while it would be great to see more of him we need him for a full season. Its in the playoffs that we can start to use him more if he is still fresh at that stage.
Like what I was saying about Seau, the guy has about six games in him. Its coming to crunch time and the playoffs that we want to have Seau around, his experience will be invaluable at that stage. Its the same with Taylor, we need him later this season for the big games. Keeping him fresh is paramount in our quest for a Superbowl.

Good to see you are talking about playoffs but lets get realistic. We need a running now more than ever with Brady and his WR being rusty.

Im all about keeping backs fresh and coach that way myself in real life also. But the problem the Patriots have is a dominant back to take Taylors load if injured or struggling and right now we dont have it other than to utilise our other work horses and get them pounding the ball. I would rather win games and gaurantee a playoff spot and then rest taylor in the last couple of games of the rgular season than talk about keeping him fresh for playoffs we have yet to secure.

As for running the ball less. On sunday we had 62 plays 25 of which were rushing plays. 40%

Week 3 81 36 of which were rushing plays 44.4%

Week 2 and week 1 only 25-30% of our plays were runs

So as you you can Week 3 and 4 we nearly ran as much as we passed and I expect this to grow. But without utilising our strengths now it will fail. Maroney is the missing link though. If Maroney can fill the void left by not playing Taylor then our running games will go back to one dimension of pounding the football and wearing out Taylor/Faulk and Morris.

Max Power1

the deal with Seau looks like a goer

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Good to see you are talking about playoffs but lets get realistic. We need a running now more than ever with Brady and his WR being rusty.

Im all about keeping backs fresh and coach that way myself in real life also. But the problem the Patriots have is a dominant back to take Taylors load if injured or struggling and right now we dont have it other than to utilise our other work horses and get them pounding the ball. I would rather win games and gaurantee a playoff spot and then rest taylor in the last couple of games of the rgular season than talk about keeping him fresh for playoffs we have yet to secure.

As for running the ball less. On sunday we had 62 plays 25 of which were rushing plays. 40%

Week 3 81 36 of which were rushing plays 44.4%

Week 2 and week 1 only 25-30% of our plays were runs

So as you you can Week 3 and 4 we nearly ran as much as we passed and I expect this to grow. But without utilising our strengths now it will fail. Maroney is the missing link though. If Maroney can fill the void left by not playing Taylor then our running games will go back to one dimension of pounding the football and wearing out Taylor/Faulk and Morris.

Well it looks like Lawfirm will get his chance over the next few weeks.

Bad news has come through that Fred Taylor might need surgery, but its not a season ending injury. So its unlikely now that BJGE will be cut when Seau joins up.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Well it looks like Lawfirm will get his chance over the next few weeks.

Bad news has come through that Fred Taylor might need surgery, but its not a season ending injury. So its unlikely now that BJGE will be cut when Seau joins up.

Lawfirm can fill the gap Im a big fan.

Max Power1

stupid n00b question but I havve to ask, who the hell is "lawfirm" that you guys keep referring to?

tallaghtoutlaws

Max Power1 wrote: »

stupid n00b question but I havve to ask, who the hell is "lawfirm" that you guys keep referring to?

Ben Jarvus Green Ellis. He was nicknamed this by his team mates due to him name. It sounds like the Offices of " Ben Jarvus Green and Ellis" type thing

eagle eye

Just on the RB issue.
I just don't for the life of me understand where all this Maroney hate is coming from.

We are four games into a season and this started before preseason.

He was great in 2006 when behind Dillon.

Corey started 13 games and played all 16 for 812 yds and 4.1 ypc
Maroney started no games but played 14 and had 745 yds at 4.3 ypc
He wasn't called on much in the postseason that year where he averaged 2.8 ypc.
Then in 2007 he plays 13 games and starts in 6 to amass 835 yds at 4.5 ypc
And goes on to the postseason to have 280 yds for 4.6 ypc.

2008 was a bust for him due to injury, which brings us to where we are now. I mean wtf has the guy done wrong?

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

2008 was a bust for him due to injury, which brings us to where we are now. I mean wtf has the guy done wrong?

Not be the break out back everyone expected him to be. If he stopped dancing in the backfield those number he did in 2006 and 2007 would be far superior. There is no hate but to be honest whatever it is going through his head he needs to snap out of it becuase that dancing is doing him no favours. 4 games in or not this bouncing around all started last season before he got injured. He went from the confident Maroney to Tigger the bouncing back. And his carries were cut. He then got injured which probably shot his confidence after having a dreadful start to the season.

This season has started the same as last but without injury. If he can go back to the player he was in 2006/2007 the majority of us Pats fans will be happy but right now he cant find lanes, he looks lost and he bounces around. Marshal faulk as much as I hate the chap was talking about it last week and he picked up on it as have many of the pundits.

I loved Maroney coming out of MN and he gave us two solid years but he looks like a lost child on the field right now.

eagle eye

Well I don't know if you are aware but he has been getting boo'ed by home fans. Surely its far too early for even the boo boys to be having a go.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I don't know if you are aware but he has been getting boo'ed by home fans. Surely its far too early for even the boo boys to be having a go.

No doubt MA folk are a tough crowd. I will be there in Dec again so im sure I will still hear it if he still dancing around.