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Vatican issues Lisbon Treaty warning to Irish voters

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  • #2
    PDN
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    It confirms my belief that I should vote Yes.


  • #3
    postcynical
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    Rubbish. The Irish Catholic church clearly supports a yes vote, despite the well-publicised reservations of many individual Catholics like Coir and Alive. This is pure mischief.


  • #4
    Run_to_da_hills
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    postcynical wrote: »
    Rubbish. The Irish Catholic church clearly supports a yes vote, despite the well-publicized reservations of many individual Catholics like Coir and Alive. This is pure mischief.
    Not according to this. It claims that the "EU refused to recognize Europe's Christian heritage in the text of the Lisbon Treaty" which is correct and I have mentioned this in previous posts long before this and the previous referendum.

    Personally I believe that the EU is a godless secular movement similar to that of the ancient Roman Empire, it has also revived much of its ancient symbolism and continues to use cynical architecture as mentioned in a previous post. Personally I believe the EU is the Babylon as spoken in the Book of Revelation.


  • #5
    prinz
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Not according to this. It claims that the "EU refused to recognize Europe's Christian heritage in the text of the Lisbon Treaty" which is correct.

    Personally I believe that the EU is a godless secular movement similar to that of the ancient Roman Empire, it has also revived much of its ancient symbolism and continues to use cynical architecture as mentioned in a previous post. Personally I believe the EU is the Babylon as spoken in the Book of Revelation.

    Actually it was one Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who was not speaking on behalf of the Vatican. The man has a very colourful history of putting his foot in his mouth, up to and including claiming the Vatican could field a soccer team capable of competing in Seria A.


  • #6
    Run_to_da_hills
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    prinz wrote: »
    Actually it was one Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who was not speaking on behalf of the Vatican. The man has a very colourful history of putting his foot in his mouth, up to and including claiming the Vatican could field a soccer team capable of competing in Seria A.
    Irrelevant, he spoke the truth and good on him

    Although I am not a Catholic I do respect those in the Catholic Church that read their Bibles and let the word of God reveal to them rather than go by what the Hierarchy tell them.

    Christians should put Christ and the word of God before anything whether its a Yes or No vote.

    If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck looks like a duck it must be a duck. The EU is a Godless institute and is of the Devil as far as I am concerned and I do not need any hierarchy or paster to explain it to me. :)


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    prinz
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Irrelevant, he spoke the truth and good on him...


    Actually it's very relevant... when you have misleading thread titles such as "Vatican issues Lisbon Treaty warning.....".
    Noel Treanor, the Bishop of Down and Connor, last week lined up with mainstream political parties to tell churchgoers that they could vote for the Lisbon Treaty "without reserve and in good conscience".

    from the same article linked above.... how come the thread isn't called "Vatican approves Lisbon Treaty...."?


  • #8
    Run_to_da_hills
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    prinz wrote: »
    Actually it's very relevant... when you have misleading thread titles such as "Vatican issues Lisbon Treaty warning.....".
    Its whats the press quoted in a headline. "Vatican issues Lisbon Treaty warning to Irish voters" Why change the title? :rolleyes:
    prinz wrote: »
    from the same article linked above.... how come the thread isn't called "Vatican approves Lisbon Treaty...."?
    Don't ask me, I didn't write it. :)

    All I can say is that it is true what that Cardinal said about the EU concerning its total absence of Christian values and I can agree 100% with him.


  • #9
    postcynical
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Irrelevant, he spoke the truth and good on him
    No, speaking for himslef is one thing but he shouldn't claim to speak on behalf of the church, or to allow others to quote him as if he were representing others. As for its truth I don't know.
    Although I am not a Catholic I do respect those in the Catholic Church that read their Bibles and let the word of God reveal to them rather than go by what the Hierarchy tell them.
    We all read our Bibles but life is short and some of the texts are difficult. I look to authority for leadership in many aspects of life. I then make my own decisions. Part of being a Catholic is trusting our church. Thankfully I don't automatically agree with this Cardinal just because of his eminent position in the hierarchy.
    Christians should put Christ and the word of God before anything whether its a Yes or No vote.
    Agreed. But it's not obvious how Christ would vote. Don't claim it is.
    If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck looks like a duck it must be a duck. The EU is a Godless institute and is of the Devil as far as I am concerned and I do not need any hierarchy or paster to explain it to me. :)
    The only reason I would consider voting no would be to preserve the status quo of the EU as I believe the EU to be an adequate framework in which I can live a Christian life. It's probably one of the best political systems to have existed. I also prefer to live in a secular state or a secular Europe where I can freely choose to be a Christian and where others do not feel it is socially advantageous to pretend to be Christians.

    We have enough weaselly hypocritical institutions on this island that pay lip service to Christ. Christ is for people, not structures.


  • #10
    Euro_Kraut
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    postcynical wrote: »
    Christ is for people, not structures.

    + 1


  • #11
    PDN
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    This thread is about whether the Vatican (well actually a clergyman who is not speaking on behalf of the Vatican) will affect how Christians vote.

    If you want to address that issue then do so. If you want to make general comments on the Lisbon vote then take it to the Politics forum.

    If posters cannot observe this distinction then I will lock the thread.

    Now excuse me while I go and delete a few posts.


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