LawSoc Lisbon Debate

heofro

Just saw a write up of it in the Times, was anyone at it? Seemed like it was a pretty good event, so annoyed I missed it. Was Ganley any good?

AnthonyK16

It was my first law soc debate and I found it very well organised and the debate was real interesting. Declan Ganley despite his mis-use of quotes was a vey impressive speaker and made a convincing argument for the no side. On the yes side the best speaker in my opinion was the student who had a very Jimmy Carr style sense of humour. It would of been better if they would of taken more points of information from the audience but overall a good night

RandolphEsq

Clever points were made on both sides. Some speakers were a bit hazy and wishy washy with their points in that they made grand statements without real substance. The jabs at the no side were quite funny, especially towards that wagon McKenna; "Will you promise not to run for another political office if we promise to vote no"

Jack Sheehan

I was very impressed with most of the speakers, even Ganley. Though I disagree utterly with his politics he is undeniably a good orator. What was the student speakers full name? He was exceptional.

ironclaw

What was the second speakers name? The recorder is it of the Soc? Funny stuff.

gnl

Twas savage! Probably one of the best debates UCD will have this year. I'm a TCD student but I have to say O'Reilly hall is easily the best venue for big speeches of either uni. I was there for Will Ferrell '08 and it was equally amazing.

The student debater (he might be a barrister now...) was Ross McGuire. Thank god there was a student there who could call bullsh*t on the No side without having to worry about political etiquette. So glad I went!

Vote Yes!

Edit - it might of been Will Ferrell '07, not 100%.

muffinman

Very well run debate.. Ganley is an very good orator, but a shady shady character.. On the yes side Pat Cox was brilliant and ross mcguire was excellent.. McKenna and Mary Lou were terrible, as expected, although the "fleas" fella was absolutely useless.... I thought Byrne for yes was good, de Burca did little more than summarise the treaty, IBEC put across very convincing arguments, ross was incredible, Fitzgerald was excellent although difficult to understand at times with slightly slurred speech, and pat cox was superb (that said, he's incredibly able for his age). For no, socialist was very one-track, mckenna's points mainly relating to militarism were ripped apart by mcguire, coir was well-spoken but full of useless lies, mary lou deserved more hisses than she got, "fleas" (pbp??) was unbelievably bad, and Ganley was excellent..
Overall a great debate.. Just wish bertie was actually speaking rather than chairing..

Mr.Nice Guy

Ganley's shady? Pat Cox is the creepiest guy in politics.

Nice to see Ganley is still calling the yes side out on their garbage. I love how Biffo and the rest of the mob are scared stiff of him.

I'm still voting No. The rest of the country can sell out but I won't be part of it.

RandolphEsq

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Ganley's shady? Pat Cox is the creepiest guy in politics.

Nice to see Ganley is still calling the yes side out on their garbage. I love how Biffo and the rest of the mob are scared stiff of him.

I'm still voting No. The rest of the country can sell out but I won't be part of it.

lol

CokaColumbo

I came out of it more undecided because both sides put up a decent argument. I expected the speaker from Coir to be absolutely crap but I think he made an excellent speech. Mary Lou wasnt bad either.

errlloyd

Mary Lou was annoying tbh, I found her patronising. She made one point "I believe decisions should be made, not by the people but by elected officials in Brussels" and loads of the no side started clapping. I had to ask myself do people listen or just applaud points that are emphasised well by the speaker, like its completely contrary to this referendum.

Records officer I believe is Mr Brian Hogan. He is the same guy who had to publicly apologise for taking his shirt off at the glamour model debate.

johnfás

errlloyd wrote: »

Records officer I believe is Mr Brian Hogan. He is the same guy who had to publicly apologise for taking his shirt off at the glamour model debate.

University student has to apologise for comic display of immaturity - shock. horror.

ironclaw

johnfás wrote: »

University student has to apologise for comic display of immaturity - shock. horror.

Presume he's the same guy who made the Northside jokes at the start? :pac:

errlloyd

Yeah of course, and the Muslim jokes.

ironclaw

errlloyd wrote: »

Yeah of course, and the Muslim jokes.

Oh, missed them

ChocolateSauce

It was the largests debate I've ever seen, about 1000 people.

In my opinion, the yes side utterly crucified the no side, who had their points laughed at, refuted and in the case of lies (notably Ganley's deliberate misrepresentation of that French fellow), exposed.

I have been a dedicated yes voter since since the constitution, but this debate did change my mind about one thing: Before, I believed that there were valid reasons to vote no, now I don't. The no side was crushed so absolutely that only ultra-nationalists or religious nuts could credibly be noers.

Mr.Nice Guy

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

I have been a dedicated yes voter since since the constitution, but this debate did change my mind about one thing: Before, I believed that there were valid reasons to vote no, now I don't. The no side was crushed so absolutely that only ultra-nationalists or religious nuts could credibly be noers.

lol

Hogmeister B

errlloyd wrote: »

Yeah of course, and the Muslim jokes.

I am Mr Brian Hogan! I'd just like to point out that I didn't make any 'Muslim jokes'. I made a remark when I was talking about militarisation about bombing Muslims, but this wasn't a 'Muslim joke' per se, more an observation on the fact that European countries only ever seem to bomb Muslim countries these days.

Also, it was more for the drinking on stage and getting the model to strip than the shirtlessness that I had to apologise for... wasn't the most sincere apology I've ever given...
anyway, thanks for the remarks.....

RandomName2

I felt pretty outgunned there (not that I said anything)

Was it full of Generation Yes supporters?