Mavic Ksyrium SL Premium 09

DirkVoodoo

Does anyone have a set? I was thinking of upgrading from my Aksiums and relegating them to training duty.

There are some good prices on 09 stock, but reviews seem very mixed.

One of the main negatives, the price, is no longer a factor as they can be got for the same price as the Ksyrium SLs. I know Raam has these and is very happy with them.

Other reviewers point to flaking paint on the spokes, the titanium quick releases being squeaky and loosening with use. One guy even complained about water being trapped in the rim (?).

I was hoping I could get a more informed boards opinion, as a lot of these internet reviews always seem to be skewed.

My other option was the Shimano 7850 CL, but I would prefer something that can be carried over with me when I move to campagnolo. Something inside me just says running campagnolo on shimano wheels would be wrong.

So, anyone have a pair?

Chips Lovell

So if you'll be training on the Aksiums, what'll you be doing on the Ksyriums?

blorg

You know Shimano and Campagnolo use a different freehub spline pattern- so moving the wheels is not necessarily trivial anyway (although I think Tonto has used the wrong cassette successfully.)

TinyExplosions

I've gone off the idea of Ti skewers after the problems I had with mine (basically, for whatever reason, with Ti skewers my wheels were flexing all over the shop, and rubbing brake pads etc) when I changed to the standard ones that came with the Fulcrums, all returned to normal.

Just my 2c

Gavin

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

So, anyone have a pair?

A somewhat personal question, but yes, gigantic.

Chips Lovell

blorg wrote: »

You know Shimano and Campagnolo use a different freehub spline pattern - so moving the wheels is not necessarily trivial anyway

Is it not just the case of swapping out the freehub body?

blorg wrote: »

(although I think Tonto has used the wrong cassette successfully.)

It's the other way around I've got it (campag freehub and casette with Shimano), but it works perfectly. Although if Dirk is switching to Campag, the advent of 11 speed might necessitate a Campag compatible freehub.

blorg

Yes I presume you would have to swap the freehub.

I am quite a fan of my DT Swiss RR1450s... you can get these built up as handbuilts possibly cheaper. Mavic R-SYS are also shockingly nice wheels to ride if you are not so concerned about aerodynamics and believe they have fixed the whole front wheel exploding thing.

DirkVoodoo

el tonto wrote: »

So if you'll be training on the Aksiums, what'll you be doing on the Ksyriums?

Training faster.

I really just want lighter, nicer wheels.

I was thinking of getting the Athena groupset at some stage.

I too thought I could just buy a campagnolo freehub and swap it out when I changed?

DirkVoodoo

blorg wrote: »

Yes I presume you would have to swap the freehub.

I am quite a fan of my DT Swiss RR1450s... you can get these built up as handbuilts possibly cheaper. Mavic R-SYS are also shockingly nice wheels to ride if you are not so concerned about aerodynamics and believe they have fixed the whole front wheel exploding thing.

Yeah I took a good look at the DT Swiss last year on your recommendation. I'm just not mad on the way they look.

alfalad

Thinking of the Ksyrium as well, it's between these and a top end Fulcrum. Have no real reason to upgrade other than I want a nice set of wheels and I'll be buying a turbo and need a spare back wheel anyway so I may as well use my Fulcrum 7 for that and get a good set for the road.

Quigs Snr

You can just swap the freehub on the Mavics (M1 is the Shimano one, ED10 is Campag I think - its about 50 euro).

Kysriums. Great wheels. Skewers are crap, most develop rattles at some point in their life which annoy the hell out of me. The rims are bullet proof, the spokes are strong, the hubs roll well. However you are correct, the paint does fall off the spokes rather easily, not as easily as the old ones though and the stickers come off the rim pretty easily too with regular washing.

That being said they are not a bad buy. If you are going Campag though, why not wait until you do and then go for the Eurus or the even lighter Neutron Ultra's. Cheaper too on SlaneCycles...

http://www.slanecycles.com/productdetail.aspx?id=412&subid=280&catid=67

If you want something in the interim that will run Shimano and retain some campy credibility there are always the Fulcrum 1's.

DirkVoodoo

Quigs Snr wrote: »

That being said they are not a bad buy. If you are going Campag though, why not wait until you do and then go for the Eurus or the even lighter Neutron Ultra's.

It's more of a pipe dream at this stage, I will be shimano for the forseeable future. I can afford wheels for now.

Quigs Snr

The wheels are about 600 right ?

For 615 delivered you can get 09 Centaur on Merlin (with the carbon chainset instead of the metal one shown)..

http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/campagnolo-and-shimano-groupsets/2009-campagnolo-centaur-groupset.html

Of course you'd have to bum a loan of wheels for a while to go with it, but hey if you are going to be growing your hair long and wearing Italia jerseys whilst smiling for the cameras going up Mahon falls you can hardly be going around on Shimano.

DirkVoodoo

Deja Vu?

barrabus

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

There are some good prices on 09 stock, but reviews seem very mixed.

Where you looking and at what price?

Home:Ballyhoura

Quigs Snr wrote: »

The wheels are about 600 right ?

Well, €782 on CRC and €783 on Wiggle although Ribble have a good offer on them at the moment of £499 especially with the current exchange rate which has fallen again recently. Even supplied with free wheelbags, which used to be two sets of wheelbags if you ordered before September 22nd (see attached email offer below which I received from them)

I hope you know that Mavic have recently released a couple of new/upgraded 2010 wheels at EuroBike - see here and here for some more info, along with the Mavic website. CRC already have them on their website - many without pictures but prices are there alright! See here (just scroll down to see "Wheels Factory Road"). I really like a good few of them I must say!

DirkVoodoo

Barrabus, saw them on slanecycles, 600 pounds delivered.

Yeah I saw the eurobike report on the Mavic R-Sys and new Aksiums. CRC don't have an estimated supply time for the red/black ksyriums, but I would prefer to save a few bob and buy "last seasons" model.

I'm guessing no one has the SL premiums so. Sense would say Quigs is correct, I might hold off buying them for now.

HB, that is a great price. I would be stupid NOT to buy them.

blorg

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

HB, that is a great price. I would be stupid NOT to buy them.

That's the spirit! Seriously though that is a very good price.

Home:Ballyhoura

blorg wrote: »

That's the spirit! Seriously though that is a very good price.

I thought so too, and now they have decided to throw in a free Park PFP-3 track pump (see their home page - two other wheels deals there too) which is actually worth between 30 and 35 euro. The good deal just got a bit better! Haha...are you interested now?

blorg

Home:Ballyhoura wrote: »

I thought so too, and now they have decided to throw in a free Park PFP-3 track pump (see their home page - two other wheels deals there too) which is actually worth between 30 and 35 euro. The good deal just got a bit better! Haha...are you interested now?

If I didn't have loads of excellent wheelsets swinging around the rafters here I would certainly buy them. Anyone who doesn't is in my considered opinion an idiot. A very non-Euro idiot. BUY THOSE WHEELS.

DirkVoodoo

Unfortunately my CC is full (damn student limit still) so I tried buying them under their finance option but you need to be a UK resident for that. I'm sitting here, drooling over them, hoping I can wrangle a card off someone.

H:B - please stop, you are not making this any easier!

My aksiums are fine for now, right? RIGHT?

Lumen

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

My aksiums are fine for now, right? RIGHT?

To be clear, the difference in term of inertia between a Campagnolo Eurus or a Mavic Ksyrium ES (both about 900 euros) and a Shimano WH-R561 (less than 300 euros!) is close to zero. In terms of aerodynamics, we demonstrated in our previous installment that these high cost alloy wheels are slower than the low budget wheels previously mentioned...!

From here.

Also, part 1 and part 3.

alfalad

I am very tempted by these, extremely so. Due a nice cheque from work soon, but I wonder will it be soon enough. Also I like the Fulcrum Zero look lovely but are they another step up and would they be more fragile under my 85 kg frame? If they were a good price i could be tempted.

scottreynolds

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

My aksiums are fine for now, right? RIGHT?

No. Its amazing one night of free drinks and now you can buy new wheels.

DirkVoodoo

Lumen wrote: »

To be clear, the difference in term of inertia between a Campagnolo Eurus or a Mavic Ksyrium ES (both about 900 euros) and a Shimano WH-R561 (less than 300 euros!) is close to zero. In terms of aerodynamics, we demonstrated in our previous installment that these high cost alloy wheels are slower than the low budget wheels previously mentioned...!

From here.

Also, part 1 and part 3.

Raam said he loves his Ksyrium SLs...that's good enough for me. Surely shaving 500g off a wheelset is a good thing? I would have thought you would have been telling me to buy some Lightweights.

Lumen

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Raam said he loves his Ksyrium SLs...that's good enough for me. Surely shaving 500g off a wheelset is a good thing? I would have thought you would have been telling me to buy some Lightweights.

I don't doubt that nice wheels are nice. I just think the performance benefits are negligible.

That article recommends cheap handbuilt training wheels and expensive deep section race wheels.

Conveniently, they sell both.

DirkVoodoo

scottreynolds wrote: »

No. Its amazing one night of free drinks and now you can buy new wheels.

That bar was not free by the way, I paid in full the following morning.

blorg

alfalad wrote: »

I am very tempted by these, extremely so. Due a nice cheque from work soon, but I wonder will it be soon enough. Also I like the Fulcrum Zero look lovely but are they another step up and would they be more fragile under my 85 kg frame? If they were a good price i could be tempted.

Everything I have read suggests the Fulcrums are pretty stiff and ideal for heavier riders.

alfalad

blorg wrote: »

Everything I have read suggests the Fulcrums are pretty stiff and ideal for heavier riders.

And there was me hoping you'd say that 85 is fine and not a worry at all!:(

Plus seeing as its an Italian bike I should really stick with Italian wheels, am i right in thinking Mavic are French?

blorg

alfalad wrote: »

And there was me hoping you'd say that 85 is fine and not a worry at all!:(

Plus seeing as its an Italian bike I should really stick with Italian wheels, am i right in thinking Mavic are French?

Well for that matter 85 isn't even particularly heavy, most weight limits even for the weenie stuff start at around 90kg. Fulcrum are a branch of Campagnolo and Italian while Mavic are indeed French. To be honest though I would have no concerns whatever about that sort of thing!

alfalad

blorg wrote: »

Well for that matter 85 isn't even particularly heavy, most weight limits even for the weenie stuff start at around 90kg. Fulcrum are a branch of Campagnolo and Italian while Mavic are indeed French. To be honest though I would have no concerns whatever about that sort of thing!

Oh I knew Fulcrum were Campy alright and i don't think the bike will explode or any such thing, it was more a case of I like the fulcrum wheels I have, I also really like the red spokes and black rim on the Zero's. Again that is being fussy about what it looks like which should not be a concern really. Also I have not seen them at a good price as of yet I'm hoping the next month or so might change that.

Murph100

Well if you're dead set on pricey Italian clinchers, take a look at the Campy labeled alternative from the same factory, the Shamal Ultra, they look dead cool as well.

http://www.slanecycles.com/productdetail.aspx?id=3674&subid=280&catid=67

They are discounted to €700 because of a new slightly different colour scheme for 2010. They are listed as 1395gms but mine were more like 1450gms. They are super stiff and accelerate like stink !! ( CSS also can do them for €770 )

I got the 2way fit version, just to try out the tubeless route ( same price and same weight ), and I can honestly say I wont be going back to tubes and ordinary clinchers again, tubeless ROCKS !!!


And yes, you can get them in Shimano freewheel

review here :

http://www.testrider.com/fly.aspx?layout=player&video=82

alfalad wrote: »

Oh I knew Fulcrum were Campy alright and i don't think the bike will explode or any such thing, it was more a case of I like the fulcrum wheels I have, I also really like the red spokes and black rim on the Zero's. Again that is being fussy about what it looks like which should not be a concern really. Also I have not seen them at a good price as of yet I'm hoping the next month or so might change that.

DirkVoodoo

Well, against Lumen's better advice I went ahead and ordered them. I am telling myself that I'm really doing it for the free pump, that makes sense, right?