Built-under double ovens too small

Gwynston

We're currently looking to replace our free standing double oven cooker with a built under one which is currently between two cupboard units. (We'll refit the worktop to go all the way across and have a separate hob on top)

I don't understand why I can't find a built-under double oven cooker with a main oven as big as our old one. I know that built-in ovens (intended to be fitted higher up in a vertical unit) are too tall to fit under a counter, but all the built-under ones are either only single ovens, or doubles with a small main oven. And in most there is only 1 shelf in the main oven, as they are generally under 50 litres volume.

What I've noticed is that they don't extend to the ground, in order to complete the "built under look" and allow space for the kick board that is under the other cupboards. But why can't I buy one as tall as the free standing one we already have (or a couple of inches shorter so that it fits under the countertop) with no space for the kick board?

I don't want the kick board, I want the cooker to stand on the floor, but fit under the counter top. Then the main oven could be bigger than 50 litres.

squink

Just came accross your post now and you have said just what I was thinking in the last year while I contemplated replacing my old kitchen. I hired a kitchen planner who told me how wonderful my kitchen was going to be, until I realised there was not enough space to fit a double oven except under the counter. She was familiar with only Neff appliances and really knew nothing about cookers in general and it was up to me to figure out what would actually fit in. I couldnt find a built under double oven that was of a decent size and I gave up and am now about to buy a free-standing cooker.

Gwynston

Yeah, I've given up looking....

The trouble with a free standing cooker is that it can never really be perfectly flush with the counter and you end up with gaps for gunge to build up.

I'd still like to buy a built-under cooker that extends all the way to the floor rather than having a gap for the kickboard...

UrbanSea

Integrated appliances are a standard size.

knighted_1

greetings wrote: »

Integrated appliances are a standard size.

classic salesman fault - integrated appliances are not a standard size ,they are built to fit into a standard size opening ,there is a difference .

in the case of built under double ovens there are a few variations -two widths - and some sit on legs (older belling creda) and others sit on shelf / sliders above the kick board

UrbanSea

Apologies Knighted,that was what I meant but obviously didn't state it anyway like that.

knighted_1

some ovens show eye level in the description ,others show double under ,others show built in -

double under sit on the shelf at kick board level .(standard )

the ones that advertise as built in , you can do just that with them ,build them in . its not easy but can be done ,i was just at one this morning -

the thing to remember is that they must be an inch or two off the ground as the main oven opens down and you have to allow for the handle touching the ground ,so will be on a plinth with no kick board

this is not standard ,and the unit is not going to be standard and should be done by a competant kitchen fitter but really is more suited to a carpenter -

knighted_1

greetings wrote: »

Apologies Knighted,that was what I meant but obviously didn't state it anyway like that.

probably read worst than it sounded sorry -

but you know what i mean

UrbanSea

I do indeed no worries.

BlackEdelweiss

I too am going through this problem. Why has nobody made a decent size built under double oven? I am trying to decide between a built under double oven and a nice 5 ring gas hob or a free standing dual fuel cooker.
Has anybody any experience of either of these, any recommendations or warnings!
http://www.thegascompany.ie/iopen24/electric-double-oven-belling-bi70fpbk-built-under-electric-double-oven-p-968707.html?cPath=1485_1487_1217_1369
http://www.cannoncooking.co.uk/macro/product.d2w/report?catref=5&prref=8&range=c600

I know the big oven space would be nice but I am not sure if it is totally necessary, apart from christmas dinner I dont know if I would need it, even then I probably dont.
Any advice in general about either built under double ovens or free standing cookers would be appreciated.

paddy147

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

I too am going through this problem. Why has nobody made a decent size built under double oven? I am trying to decide between a built under double oven and a nice 5 ring gas hob or a free standing dual fuel cooker.
Has anybody any experience of either of these, any recommendations or warnings!
http://www.thegascompany.ie/iopen24/electric-double-oven-belling-bi70fpbk-built-under-electric-double-oven-p-968707.html?cPath=1485_1487_1217_1369
http://www.cannoncooking.co.uk/macro/product.d2w/report?catref=5&prref=8&range=c600

I know the big oven space would be nice but I am not sure if it is totally necessary, apart from christmas dinner I dont know if I would need it, even then I probably dont.
Any advice in general about either built under double ovens or free standing cookers would be appreciated.

I had a choice similar to yours.Couldnt decide what I wanted.So I gave up trying to do it myself,as my head was wrecked with it.

I then asked a kitchen company to design me a kitchen layout,that would give me the appliences that I wanted or would like and all in a nice space and layout too.Also keeping in mind that I wanted to have plenty of floor space left so I didnt feel cramped into a kitchen.

I got the design done up for free,all I had to do was take "accurate" measurements of the kitchen area/floor area and also the floor to ceiling height and location of windows and or doors.


I opted for a double oven at eye level,with 2 drawers beneath the double oven,and a 5 ring gas hob (large wok style burner ring).

The main oven space is nice and big,bigger than i thought it would be,allways a good thing,especially for the Xmass turkey.:D

Even the 2nd oven area is a decent size.

The kitchen is fully integrated,even the tumble dryer is built in/hidden.

If you cant decide what you want or what way you want it,then go with your measurements and get any kitchen company to do you up a design for free.:)

UrbanSea

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

I too am going through this problem. Why has nobody made a decent size built under double oven? I am trying to decide between a built under double oven and a nice 5 ring gas hob or a free standing dual fuel cooker.
Has anybody any experience of either of these, any recommendations or warnings!
http://www.thegascompany.ie/iopen24/electric-double-oven-belling-bi70fpbk-built-under-electric-double-oven-p-968707.html?cPath=1485_1487_1217_1369
http://www.cannoncooking.co.uk/macro/product.d2w/report?catref=5&prref=8&range=c600

I know the big oven space would be nice but I am not sure if it is totally necessary, apart from christmas dinner I dont know if I would need it, even then I probably dont.
Any advice in general about either built under double ovens or free standing cookers would be appreciated.

I'd rather a free standing cooker above a double under oven. Is it a duel fuel you're looking for in particular if you were to go for a free standing one?

paddy147

Oh and a good trick is this,try and have a gas oven/cooker and leccy hob or a leccy oven/cooker and gas hob.

Either way,if 1 services goes off,then at least you still have a way to cook/heat food with regards to keeping a family and young kids fed.

My girlfriends mother told me this,just as I was getting my kitchen appliences.Fair play to her to.:)

BlackEdelweiss

It dosent have to be dual fuel but I do want gas rings, I'm fed up with cooking with an electric hob and I love cooking with gas. The Cannon cooker I was looking at seems to have a fairly high spec and has a very short preheat time for both the oven and the grill, it actually says no preheat time but I doubt that is possible. I love the look of the nice black 5 ring hob and I like the look of the built under ovens whereas I am a bit iffy about the look of the free standing cooker as I dont know if it will fit seemlessly into the space and just end up looking like our old cooker at home in the 80's.
I would love the eye level set up but we already have our kitchen installed and the only solution would be to move the fridge freezer and install the oven in that space.
Could a built in oven be placed next to the fridge or would the heat transfer become a problem?
Paddy147 is your oven next to your fridge in that layout? Nice kitchen by the way.

BlackEdelweiss

Has anybody heard about these, I just saw them now.
A single oven that can switch to a double oven.
http://www.thegascompany.ie/iopen24/electric-oven-hotpoint-openspace-os897dix-single-double-oven-with-functionsmultifunciton-oven-p-968442.html?cPath=1485_1487_1217_1368_1557

paddy147

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

It dosent have to be dual fuel but I do want gas rings, I'm fed up with cooking with an electric hob and I love cooking with gas. The Cannon cooker I was looking at seems to have a fairly high spec and has a very short preheat time for both the oven and the grill, it actually says no preheat time but I doubt that is possible. I love the look of the nice black 5 ring hob and I like the look of the built under ovens whereas I am a bit iffy about the look of the free standing cooker as I dont know if it will fit seemlessly into the space and just end up looking like our old cooker at home in the 80's.
I would love the eye level set up but we already have our kitchen installed and the only solution would be to move the fridge freezer and install the oven in that space.
Could a built in oven be placed next to the fridge or would the heat transfer become a problem?
Paddy147 is your oven next to your fridge in that layout? Nice kitchen by the way.

yes it is.

Ist is a Brush,hoover,iorning board larder unit,then double oven,then integrated fridge/freezer layout.

UrbanSea

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

It dosent have to be dual fuel but I do want gas rings, I'm fed up with cooking with an electric hob and I love cooking with gas. The Cannon cooker I was looking at seems to have a fairly high spec and has a very short preheat time for both the oven and the grill, it actually says no preheat time but I doubt that is possible. I love the look of the nice black 5 ring hob and I like the look of the built under ovens whereas I am a bit iffy about the look of the free standing cooker as I dont know if it will fit seemlessly into the space and just end up looking like our old cooker at home in the 80's.
I would love the eye level set up but we already have our kitchen installed and the only solution would be to move the fridge freezer and install the oven in that space.
Could a built in oven be placed next to the fridge or would the heat transfer become a problem?
Paddy147 is your oven next to your fridge in that layout? Nice kitchen by the way.

I could be wrong but I don't know if that cannon is available in Ireland,did you check? Zanussi also have a duel fuel I think that's on the Irish market,not many nowadays.

BlackEdelweiss

The Cannon is available from the same company as the other cooker, I just dident want it to look like I was promoting the shop so I used a different link.
Would I be better going for a full gas oven, I have never had gas so I am not sure what it is like for home use, I am a chef so I am well used to working with it but we usually use electric ovens and gas hobs in restaurants so I dont have much experience of gas ovens.
Can anybody recommend a good oven that would suit my space constraints.
Our budget just wont stretch to adding a new cabinet for a built in oven, I think the kitchen is a bit too small to loose the space aswell.

Gwynston

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

Has anybody heard about these, I just saw them now.
A single oven that can switch to a double oven.
http://www.thegascompany.ie/iopen24/electric-oven-hotpoint-openspace-os897dix-single-double-oven-with-functionsmultifunciton-oven-p-968442.html?cPath=1485_1487_1217_1368_1557

Hey - that looks like a really good idea! The problem with most double built-under double ovens is that the main oven is too small. But that clever design lets you expand to 70 litres! That's bigger than the main in most built-in doubles!
But you can still put the divider in to keep the grill separate from the oven, if required.

Since my original post, I still haven't solved this conundrum, so I shall seriously consider Hotpoint Openspace!

BlackEdelweiss

I saw them in Homebase today and they are not bad looking either, I had my worries about the size of the door but it is a smart looking oven. I also saw the Cannon cooker and was very disapointed with how cheap the finish looked, the pan supports were very thin enamel which slid around alot and the knobs were cheap and plasticky looking. I think I am going to go for the Belling double under and a nice gas hob, I know I will loose space but I really dont think I will miss it that much, I always get my turkey boned and rolled for christmas anyway.

Vinkengo

Hi Guys,

We are trying to work out the best layout for our kitchen. We are considering putting in a range cooker in the corner. We realise it will use up a lot of space but at the moment feel it's the best option. Do any of you have a range cooker in the corner of your kitchen and if so can you give us feedback in terms of pros and cons. Any photos would be greatly appreciated also. Other recommended layouts. Plan for the moment is that the wall directly opposite window will take frige, larder units and possibly microwave. Sink close to window and range cooker in the corner.