chipping&remapping?

gentleman jim

well lads,
looking for some advice!
i have a 2lt turbo avensis 02! have it from brand new,i'm thinking of getting it chipped and remapped! can any of you's tell me the pro's and con's of doing this? how much you would wreckon mend upping the bhp by?

thanks lads

ATB
G J

Gumbo

you cannot get it chipped and remapped, you can do either but not both!

in your instance, you only have one choice as the toyota ecu cannot be remapped. you have to get a tuning box or similar piggyback ecu and get it connected up.

Westward engineering in Enfield do a kit which includes a Tuning Box, K&N Filter and fitting for around the 550e mark. (that was the price when i enquired about my 05 shape D4D Avensis)

gains are from the standard 116bhp to about the 140bhp mark.

gentleman jim

kceire wrote: »

you cannot get it chipped and remapped, you can do either but not both!

in your instance, you only have one choice as the toyota ecu cannot be remapped. you have to get a tuning box or similar piggyback ecu and get it connected up.

Westward engineering in Enfield do a kit which includes a Tuning Box, K&N Filter and fitting for around the 550e mark. (that was the price when i enquired about my 05 shape D4D Avensis)

gains are from the standard 116bhp to about the 140bhp mark.

i didn't know that i couldn't do both!
thanks for the reply!

yea, it's just a matter of changing the programming.. it's one or the other as far as i gather to get to the same result.


i think the overall opinion is that it's grand to do to the car.. cars come de-tuned for emissions etc. and this just bypasses that and brings the engine to it's full potential if done properly.

Plug

The con is the price and it will burn more fuel.

gentleman jim

Deleted User wrote: »

yea, it's just a matter of changing the programming.. it's one or the other as far as i gather to get to the same result.


i think the overall opinion is that it's grand to do to the car.. cars come de-tuned for emissions etc. and this just bypasses that and brings the engine to it's full potential if done properly.

cheers for the reply! can you reckon,end someone reliable and compentent to do the job?

gentleman jim

Plug wrote: »

The con is the price and it will burn more fuel.

two people that i talked to said that there getting more miles after getting it done! they got it done up north!

no idea who could do it, sorry!


and yea, isn't better mpg quite usual when done do a turbo diesel? i know a 320d mapped is slightly less..

SpannerMonkey

Try
www.chippedire.com
www.upsolute.ie
www.turbotech.ie
for remaps
and definately get a K&N filter
your fuel consumption should be better not worse after it I have had it done on all my cars
Any questions just ask

gentleman jim

Deleted User wrote: »

no idea who could do it, sorry!


and yea, isn't better mpg quite usual when done do a turbo diesel? i know a 320d mapped is slightly less..

well thats is wat iv'e gathered, that you get better mpg and a bit more poke! because they come tuned down a bit! i could be totally wrong!

gentleman jim

davy_b wrote: »

Try
www.chippedire.com
www.upsolute.ie
www.turbotech.ie
for remaps
and definately get a K&N filter
your fuel consumption should be better not worse after it I have had it done on all my cars
Any questions just ask

cheers davy_b,
i'll have a look over them! i cant afford to change car so thought i'd get it chipped or remapped and have a bit of fun with the new power

SpannerMonkey

Prices for remap tend to start around 300 and work up to 500 for standard remap depending on car and company

Mr. Presentable

davy_b wrote: »

Try
www.chippedire.com
www.upsolute.ie
www.turbotech.ie
for remaps
and definately get a K&N filter
your fuel consumption should be better not worse after it I have had it done on all my cars
Any questions just ask

How do you handle the insurance implication?

gentleman jim

nipplenuts wrote: »

How do you handle the insurance implication?

i'll just tell them! im driving years with a clean slate! and have my ncb insured! it shouldn't affect it!

SpannerMonkey

Up to you it's incredably hard for them to find it if you ever had a crash but for peace of mind just tell them I did and my insurance went up by 60 quid but at least ur covered

gentleman jim

davy_b wrote: »

Up to you it's incredably hard for them to find it if you ever had a crash but for peace of mind just tell them I did and my insurance went up by 60 quid but at least ur covered

60 quid is feck all if you crashed and they did find out!

think my brother is going to get his caddy done after looking up one of the forums! up the bhp 105- to 135:D

Big Nasty

Can't see why anyone would be bothered doing that to an Avensis!

gentleman jim

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Can't see why anyone would be bothered doing that to an Avensis!

simple answer to that............. i cant afford to change car as im out of work!

Gumbo

gentleman jim wrote: »

cheers davy_b,
i'll have a look over them! i cant afford to change car so thought i'd get it chipped or remapped and have a bit of fun with the new power

davy_b wrote: »

Prices for remap tend to start around 300 and work up to 500 for standard remap depending on car and company

you only have one option im afraid gentleman jim, you have to get a piggyback ecu like a tuning box or similar brand that plugs into the engine bay. the Avensis cannot be remapped per say like a BMW 320d can or a skoda octavia can.

your looking at 550e including a K&N filter.

Big Nasty

€550 plus more than likely extra fuel costs - if you're out of work I would leave it alone.

It's life Jim, but not as we *knew* it!

Darsad

I would keep my money in my pocket if I were you or you could get the chip but make sure you have a spare couple of grand for a replacment engine ! All the piggy back does is fool the ECU into thinking it is running at a lower boost or common rail pressure by masking the signal to the relevant pin on the ECU . These are cheap basic and easily installed electronic signal replicators that put excessive stress beyond safe tolerances on the engine to which they are fitted.

Gumbo

Darsad wrote: »

I would keep my money in my pocket if I were you or you could get the chip but make sure you have a spare couple of grand for a replacment engine ! All the piggy back does is fool the ECU into thinking it is running at a lower boost or common rail pressure by masking the signal to the relevant pin on the ECU . These are cheap basic and easily installed electronic signal replicators that put excessive stress beyond safe tolerances on the engine to which they are fitted.

i think your getting mixed up with these tuning boxes as i posted above and the cheap 25p resistors for sale on ebay.

the Tuning box up's the boost and sends more fuel to the engine, similar to a remap but with less control than a remap so the gains are not as good as each tuning box has a generic map to suit all of the engines out there in the range, ie. the 116bhp avensis in this case.

Darsad

kceire wrote: »

i think your getting mixed up with these tuning boxes as i posted above and the cheap 25p resistors for sale on ebay.

the Tuning box up's the boost and sends more fuel to the engine, similar to a remap but with less control than a remap so the gains are not as good as each tuning box has a generic map to suit all of the engines out there in the range, ie. the 116bhp avensis in this case.

Not my experience i have data logged (and removed post engine explosion) plenty of these kits and i am not aware of any that modify the fueling to take account of higher boost in the case of running higher turbo boost !adjusting the fuelling is simply a byprodut of running higher common rail pressure as the delivery valve is fooled into opening for longer so not really controlled fuelling

gentleman jim

kceire wrote: »

you only have one option im afraid gentleman jim, you have to get a piggyback ecu like a tuning box or similar brand that plugs into the engine bay. the Avensis cannot be remapped per say like a BMW 320d can or a skoda octavia can.

your looking at 550e including a K&N filter.

what brand would you reckonmend going for then?
iv'e read about a few different ones but i haven't got a clue as to which one is best suited for my car!

gentleman jim

Darsad wrote: »

I would keep my money in my pocket if I were you or you could get the chip but make sure you have a spare couple of grand for a replacment engine ! All the piggy back does is fool the ECU into thinking it is running at a lower boost or common rail pressure by masking the signal to the relevant pin on the ECU . These are cheap basic and easily installed electronic signal replicators that put excessive stress beyond safe tolerances on the engine to which they are fitted.

there is so much to weigh up here! iv'e never heard any bad news about doing this to the engine! until now! i need to find out more before i do anything!

Gumbo

gentleman jim wrote: »

what brand would you reckonmend going for then?
iv'e read about a few different ones but i haven't got a clue as to which one is best suited for my car!

i would first check here and see what the UK guys are using - http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showforum=51

i never went for it in the end as i was selling up but if i did i would of went to Westward Engineering and got the genuine Tuning Box and K&N Filter set up from them.