Would you kill another human?

Cianos

Upon outbreak, there'll be widespread panic as everyone is scrambling to survive. Supplies and food will be much sought after and most people (probably including you) will not have enough of what they need. When it comes down to it, do you think you will go so far as to kill another person for their food, or vehicle, or hiding spot? At what points of the outbreak will people see it as more advantageous to stick together and at what points will people see each other as a bigger threat than the zombies?

Kess73

I have long said that after the initial few months of the outbreak, the most dangerous thing will be other living humans.


Roaming gangs of raiders, lone sickos with no law to touch them, people whose minds have just snapped. You name it and they will all be out there.

Cormac McCarthy's book, The Road, paints a pretty good picture of what humanity will be like months after an outbreak, although there are no Zs in his book.

I would kill any of them quicker than I would kill a Z given the chance, as they are a much bigger threat.

Mind you if the Zs turn out to be sprinters rather than shufflers then an awful lot more of the living will be taken out anyway.

ScumLord

Most people underestimate how hard it is to kill another human and I'm not just talking about the mechanics of doing such a thing, psychologically it's very difficult for a person to go through with killing another person and if they do kill someone in the heat of the moment their mind will have a hard time dealing with that after the fact. Even if they had no choice, it messes with soldiers minds and they're trained killers fighting people that are trying to kill them.

Keep that in mind when deciding about killing other people, it will be difficult to go through with and any hesitation could very well get you killed, it's pretty difficult to kill a human being we're much more hardy than you'd think, and after the fact it could leave your mind in a mess although with the situation your in one more horrible nightmare may or may not be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Kess73

I agree, and it will lead to loads of people whose minds have snapped.


I think a big part of the killing process, or rather your mind surving it, will depend on two things. How well you can allpy logic to what you need to do, and if you can dehumanise your kills, for example killing from distance where you do not see it up close and personal.


Far easier to be killing with a hunting rifle from 200 feet than trying to use a hammer when beside someone and you get to see every spurt of blood and hear every crunch of bone and every cry of pain.

ScumLord

You will be able to scare the living away though. As long as you look like you'll be more trouble than your worth and that they have little to gain by attacking you, you should be able to avoid the majority of conflicts. But like Kess said and for many other reasons ie: the possibility of infection you should keep other people at the far end of a telescopic sight.

Cianos

Kess73 wrote:

Roaming gangs of raiders, lone sickos with no law to touch them, people whose minds have just snapped. You name it and they will all be out there.

I would kill any of them quicker than I would kill a Z given the chance, as they are a much bigger threat.

Thing is, you're probably going to be one of them. At least, other survivors will fear you as much as you fear them. It isn't gonna be a case of the good guys versus the bad guys...everyone is going to be a bad guy. Survival of the fittest. If they've survived this far, they had to have done some pretty nasty things.

The horrific, phantasmagorical things you would have witnessed would probably already have broken your normal mental state and you'd now be running on high alert. You're not going to think and behave as you do now...essentially, you'll be a different person. Morals and ethics will have a lesser importance and raw survival will be the main thought in your mind. In this state of mind I think we'd surprised at the actions we'll take when it comes down to it.

Kess73

Cianos wrote: »

Thing is, you're probably going to be one of them. At least, other survivors will fear you as much as you fear them. It isn't gonna be a case of the good guys versus the bad guys...everyone is going to be a bad guy. Survival of the fittest. If they've survived this far, they had to have done some pretty nasty things.

The horrific, phantasmagorical things you would have witnessed would probably already have broken your normal mental state and you'd now be running on high alert. You're not going to think and behave as you do now...essentially, you'll be a different person. Morals and ethics will have a lesser importance and raw survival will be the main thought in your mind. In this state of mind I think we'd surprised at the actions we'll take when it comes down to it.

Yeah I know that to one degree or another that I will be one of them. That's why I said I would kill them quicker than I would a Z, as their mindset will be to survive and kill me.

The only thing you can hope for in that enviroment is that you develop a mindset where you only kill to survive, rather than getting a mindset of killing because you can.

As low a profile as possible will be the way to go, to avoid both Zs and other survivors.

Another thing that will happen is people looking to take over areas and we could see primitive villages and territories cropping up. With no law around, anything will go.


I will be taking the counties of Limerick, Cork, and Kerry as my own. Just so all of you know.

ScumLord

Cianos wrote: »

It isn't gonna be a case of the good guys versus the bad guys...everyone is going to be a bad guy. Survival of the fittest. If they've survived this far, they had to have done some pretty nasty things.

In this state of mind I think we'd surprised at the actions we'll take when it comes down to it.

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah I know that to one degree or another that I will be one of them. That's why I said I would kill them quicker than I would a Z, as their mindset will be to survive and kill me.

I don't know about all that. Perhaps the survivors will be like that, it would have been their aversion to groups of people as they could be infectious that would have seen them through the panic but nearly all people will automatically look for the safety of the group when they're in danger. There are very, very, very few people on the entire planet that can survive completely on their own, and survive is about the best they can manage. The major benefit of being human isn't the big brain it's our numbers and ability to work as a group better than any other animal due to our communication skills.

One person on their own is next to useless. It's also pointless for one or two people to survive if your thinking about the survival of the species.

Just as you'd assume people will turn bad during the panic I think you'll find just as many could turn good. The fear of being alone, outnumbered and hunted could see the most antisocial becoming loyal team members prepared to do anything to remain part of a group of people that will watch their back.

I will be prepared to help anyone I can, if I can. I would see this as a war against humanity making us all bothers in arms against a common enemy. That mind set of us against them is a very powerful deep seated instinct that comes out in times of danger, we'll bond with just about anybody we can find something in common with almost instantly to overcome danger and I think this could happen allot during the panic.

NOGMaxpower

Why do you even need to ask?

Z day happens, anything or anyone getting in my way will die at my hands. Dont give a monkeys who it is, if you've got something I need to survive you'd better be ready to fight to the death for it. Got some water and I need to clean my blade I'll slit your throat before I make my Ghurka blade nice and shiny. If you've got wheels, good luck to ya they'll be mine.

Got a problem with my approach run and leave your valuables behind or I will find you.

Survival of the fittest has no room for conscience or 2nd thoughts.

_SONIC_

i couldnt do it!!

but if i was forced to id probably have to!!

Micky Dolenz

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

Why do you even need to ask?

Z day happens, anything or anyone getting in my way will die at my hands. Dont give a monkeys who it is, if you've got something I need to survive you'd better be ready to fight to the death for it. Got some water and I need to clean my blade I'll slit your throat before I make my Ghurka blade nice and shiny. If you've got wheels, good luck to ya they'll be mine.

Got a problem with my approach run and leave your valuables behind or I will find you.

Survival of the fittest has no room for conscience or 2nd thoughts.

NOG's remind me to get as far away from you as possible come Z day :pac:

As ScumLord says, it is probably much harder to kill someone than you would think. i would prepare myself for it but would try to limit it to self defense or if the group I were in was in danger from a loose canon that wanted to open the gates, save a zombie famliy member etc. Then they would have to meet their maker in a painfree way if possible.

I would also agree that human raiders are our biggest threat, a good tight team will ensure safety from these.

Kromdar

lets just make sure that it doesn't come to that.

boardsies should all know where we're gonna be so there won't be fighting over hiding places. also preparation will mean that we should all have secure or well hidden hiding places with plenty of backup if it comes down to it.

NOGMaxpower

Its pretty easy to kill a human let alone a decaying Zombie. Lets face it we all know Zombies have soft heads as their flesh rots and bones become brittal.

Blunt trauma to the head is winner, but my personal fav has to be decapitation by using a blade backed up with a lump hammer. If I am weaponless a quick snap of the neck (easy peasy to do) will sever the spinal chord giving the same results as decapitation.

If I am faced with a raider god bless him/her, its very easy to errect man traps that they'll unwittingly fall ill to. however if they get past them, "Lets get ready to rumble... its show time". I will hack/slash, shoot, burn and blow them up the best i can. If I do happen to have a lair I will litter the path with Raiders heads on pikes to warn off any future attacks.

I will have an array of incendary devices at my disposal (all easy to make)... pipe bomb, petrol bombs, acid bombs, nerve gas and oil pits. I can even make an alkaseltzer bomb if i dont mind having an upset tummy.

If you do see me just hollar and declare your allegance to Boards.ie. Might I suggest we come up with a boards Z day secret handshake? Dont get it wrong mind you or you'll end up decorating my garden.

NOGMaxpower

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

NOG's remind me to get as far away from you as possible come Z day :pac:

As ScumLord says, it is probably much harder to kill someone than you would think. i would prepare myself for it but would try to limit it to self defense or if the group I were in was in danger from a loose canon that wanted to open the gates, save a zombie famliy member etc. Then they would have to meet their maker in a painfree way if possible.

I would also agree that human raiders are our biggest threat, a good tight team will ensure safety from these.

I've seen you on Der Riese you're always the loose cannon - prepare to die

DeVore

You speaking hypothetically..... or should we start talking numbers??




DeV.
anyone know where that line is from? (non-zombie related)

Micky Dolenz

DeVore wrote: »

You speaking hypothetically..... or should we start talking numbers??




DeV.
anyone know where that line is from? (non-zombie related)

No idea, how about a small hint?

NOGMaxpower

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

No idea, how about a small hint?

Where you at dude need a good team mate on Der Reise