Root Canal and Crown

tooths

Hey Guys,
I have recently been told I need a root canal and a crown on my bottom left first pre-molar and that it would be in the region of 1700......this seemed crazy to me, I was then told that my other option was to get the tooth pulled. This I do not want to do as it would be visible.
Could the Dental College in Dublin do this work, if so how much would they charge??
Has anyone any other suggestions? I do not want to go abroad just in case something with wrong when I got back......
Thanx guys!!

CorkLady1983

try a company called Madenta Dental company- they are based in budapest but have a clinic in Dublin. Found them very professional. I got a tooth pulled as well and got an implant in its place. Didn't feel a thing - which is strange considering that the specialist had to drill a screw into my jaw bone. They also perform root canal - about €300 inc the crown. PM me if you would like more details.

georgieporgy

so you had a painless extraction, an implant, a root canal and crown, all on the same tooth presumably, for 300euro. and 'twas in budapest but could be in dublin. like gee wizz whatever!

OP, the dental hosp in dublin can do that work, and if you phone them they will tell you how much it costs.

CorkLady1983

georgieporgy wrote: »

so you had a painless extraction, an implant, a root canal and crown, all on the same tooth presumably, for 300euro. and 'twas in budapest but could be in dublin. like gee wizz whatever!

OP, the dental hosp in dublin can do that work, and if you phone them they will tell you how much it costs.

there is no need to be like that about it- you obviously didn't read my post correctly because I got an implant and not root canal.

I was trying to reassure the OP that getting the work done abroad is safe and that there is after care in Dublin.

helimachoptor

Op had a similar problem to you, a molar cracked and lost about 50% of its mass. Got a rood canal by an endodontist €1600 the tooth needed to be built back up using composite material. Then I got a crown which was another €900.

Big_G

CorkLady1983 wrote: »

there is no need to be like that about it- you obviously didn't read my post correctly because I got an implant and not root canal.

I was trying to reassure the OP that getting the work done abroad is safe and that there is after care in Dublin.

It was safe for you, it doesn't mean that it will be safe for everyone.

zinfandel

Price sounds about right for Dublin.
€700/€800 for root canal ( done by specialist)
€1000 for a crown.
You can claim 20% back through Med 1
I have heard some horror stories about overseas, they do not use the same quality materials and when something goes wrong , you could have a big problem which may then cost you more to get fixed

georgieporgy

I checked the madenta website. crowns start at 250 euro ,base metal (guaranteed 3 years). crowns made with better quality materials are 550 euro. If you want a temporary crown on the tooth while you wait for the real one to be made up there is an extra 16euro charge. And root canal prices start at 109 euro per canal, and get this - the treatment is guaranteed for 1 year!

Big_G

I'd be out of business pretty quick if my root canals only lasted a year.

starbelgrade

I was told 10 years ago that I needed a root canal job done, along with a rake of fillings by a dentist.

10 years later, my teeth are fine & I've had one filling since.

Always get a second opinion. And then a third.

Big_G

That is a good point. A patient is always entitled to seek a second opinion. Dentists and doctors often have different approaches to treatment plans.

starbelgrade

Big_G wrote: »

That is a good point. A patient is always entitled to seek a second opinion. Dentists and doctors often have different approaches to treatment plans.

More than different! I get my teeth cleaned & polished every 6 months. Due to work, I'm often in different places so I rarely use the same dentist.

But the story is always the same.. "You need 3/ 4/ 25 fillings & your spark plugs need changing"... I've one filling, like I said & a perfectly healthy set of teeth.

Are dentists driven by money? Not in my remit to say so, just giving my experiences.

zinfandel

georgieporgy wrote: »

I checked the madenta website. crowns start at 250 euro ,base metal (guaranteed 3 years). crowns made with better quality materials are 550 euro. If you want a temporary crown on the tooth while you wait for the real one to be made up there is an extra 16euro charge. And root canal prices start at 109 euro per canal, and get this - the treatment is guaranteed for 1 year!

So for the better quality crown you are now talking 550 add to this 2 trips to budapest or wherever and you won't have much change from the Irish price and what if you have a problem with it??
Can you claim your 20% back from the irish gov when you had the work done abroad, not exactly buy Irish!!

On the root canal if that is per canal?? you know that molars can have 4 canals, this work also should be done in 2 visits (by an endologist, most dentists do not do this work, its like having a heart surgeon work on your brain,) with a week or better 2 in between, so 2 plane trips???

not sure if at the end of the day the savings would be that huge.

Big_G

starbelgrade wrote: »

More than different! I get my teeth cleaned & polished every 6 months. Due to work, I'm often in different places so I rarely use the same dentist.

But the story is always the same.. "You need 3/ 4/ 25 fillings & your spark plugs need changing"... I've one filling, like I said & a perfectly healthy set of teeth.

Are dentists driven by money? Not in my remit to say so, just giving my experiences.

If you've always been told that you need a few fillings, you don't have a perfectly healthy set of teeth. Dentists are driven by doing the best for their patients. This is easier to do when a dentist sees the same patient regularly.

georgieporgy

zinfandel wrote: »

So for the better quality crown you are now talking 550 add to this 2 trips to budapest or wherever and you won't have much change from the Irish price and what if you have a problem with it??
Can you claim your 20% back from the irish gov when you had the work done abroad, not exactly buy Irish!!

On the root canal if that is per canal?? you know that molars can have 4 canals, this work also should be done in 2 visits (by an endologist, most dentists do not do this work, its like having a heart surgeon work on your brain,) with a week or better 2 in between, so 2 plane trips???

not sure if at the end of the day the savings would be that huge.

Yes you're right, it is per canal not per tooth.
their fee for a cleaning is 115euro (in my office it starts at 70euro).
filling charges are similar to here also.

tooths

Cheers for the reply guys, I'm gonna contact the Dental College and see what they can do as I cannot afford 700 or there abouts per canal.....I don't know how many I need done and I don't think I will get that answer until the tooth is drilled!!!
Also, the abroad thing and peoples thoughts seem to rule it out.
She might have to be pulled

georgieporgy

My fee for that tooth is 630 for root canal. I am somewhat outside dublin. the tooth can then be filled (approx 150). most other rural dentists will have similar fees. many many dentists can do excellent endodontic work. specialists charge a higher rate ( they are worth it) but not always necessary for routine stuff.
the crown can be deferred for a while till finances permit. pulling the tooth would be a BIG mistake. prsi pays about 110 towards that treatment and it's tax deductible also.

PS in ireland root canal fees are generally per tooth, not per canal. most teeth have more than one canal. smaller teeth have 1-2 canals. bigger teeth have 3-4 canals.

ballsymchugh

tooths, if you could get on the student waiting list for work in the dental hospital, you'd have a top quality job done. the research shows success rates for students are better than endodontists (somewhere in the high 90's, specialists slightly below).
but if it's a premolar, it should be pretty handy for most dentists to do. molars have canals that are usually only seen by magnification, that most dentists don't have the equipment for, so a specialist will be the better option.

tooths

georgieporgy wrote: »

My fee for that tooth is 630 for root canal. I am somewhat outside dublin. the tooth can then be filled (approx 150). most other rural dentists will have similar fees. many many dentists can do excellent endodontic work. specialists charge a higher rate ( they are worth it) but not always necessary for routine stuff.
the crown can be deferred for a while till finances permit. pulling the tooth would be a BIG mistake. prsi pays about 110 towards that treatment and it's tax deductible also.

PS in ireland root canal fees are generally per tooth, not per canal. most teeth have more than one canal. smaller teeth have 1-2 canals. bigger teeth have 3-4 canals.

I have just found a place in Meath that says a pre-molar is 500 for the root canal and that fillings were 90-140 or there abouts. I am now feeling better after hearing you say the crown can be deferred for a bit!!!!

georgieporgy, one question though, how long should I leave it and how long would the filling last.......might it ever need to be crowned??

tooths

ballsymchugh wrote: »

tooths, if you could get on the student waiting list for work in the dental hospital, you'd have a top quality job done. the research shows success rates for students are better than endodontists (somewhere in the high 90's, specialists slightly below).
but if it's a premolar, it should be pretty handy for most dentists to do. molars have canals that are usually only seen by magnification, that most dentists don't have the equipment for, so a specialist will be the better option.

I'm gonna give them a buzz tomorrow or Monday just to see what the waiting list is looking like and what the costs are, I would prefer to pay 100-200 more to have a higher success rate!!!! No offence to the students or anything......

ballsymchugh

no, the students have the higher success rate, but it would be a lot cheaper. there's a time issue too, dental hospital sessions in the 'reel capital' took about 2.5 hours, and a root canal could take 2 or 3 sessions, but the result would be great (the student can't fail, it takes to much time!!).

as for getting a crown, the general rule is crown the tooth when 2/3 of structure is gone. and that usually happens when you've had a root canal.
BUT....
the most important part of a root canal is the seal, so if the filling over the root filling is good, then you could leave it. did many in britland and just did fillings and they were fine. i think.
really, it depends on what's left above the gum when it's finished.

as for the quotes, don't forget to check the amount if you can pay with the prsi scheme. and claim it back on the med 2 form!!

tooths

as for getting a crown, the general rule is crown the tooth when 2/3 of structure is gone. and that usually happens when you've had a root canal.

Crown the tooth, is this the seal or the actual cap? If the seal you mentioned was good would I need the crown ans would 2/3'rds of my tooth be missing at this point?
Does the crowning have to start the second the roots are filled?
Thank you for taking the time on this!!!

ballsymchugh

feckit, at this point i'd be drawing pictures to explain!!
the seal can be a filling or a crown. it's to prevent bacteria leaching in to where the root filling is, and then you being back to square one in a few months/years.
but as i said, it depends on the amount of tooth left when the root treatment is finished. if you have a big filling, there's a bigger chance of the remaining tooth breaking, thus screwing the seal. whereas a crown would prevent that.

in my opinion, it's best to wait a bit before crowning a tooth. i always make sure that the tooth is completely settled before doing what is pretty expensive work to it. but that's my opinion. there's plenty more here that will say otherwise i'm sure.

CorkLady1983

Big_G wrote: »

It was safe for you, it doesn't mean that it will be safe for everyone.

I agree, myself and two others who got work done there were happy with it and will be returning for more work as its more affordable. I was not happy with the others posters tone/comments made earlier, given that it was an online forum. Obviously as a practising dentist here he doesn't want people to be going abroad.But at the end of the day its my money, I'll go to where I feel I receive the best service.

res ipsa

ballsymchugh wrote: »

tooths, if you could get on the student waiting list for work in the dental hospital, you'd have a top quality job done. the research shows success rates for students are better than endodontists (somewhere in the high 90's, specialists slightly below).
but if it's a premolar, it should be pretty handy for most dentists to do. molars have canals that are usually only seen by magnification, that most dentists don't have the equipment for, so a specialist will be the better option.

Not all premolars are easy, lower 4's especially can have some very unusual anatomy.

What is the study that says undergraduates have higher success rates than endodontists?