My thoughts on Oct 1 Vote

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I think it is the atrousious arrogance from some Yes proponents that serves as a bane for the Yes side.I have cautiously read a lot of posts on the EU forum over the past months and I have come to the conclusions that:

1.Boards.ie Mods and as a managerial body actively supports the EU treaty although admittedly there are a few Mods that oppose it.

2.The frequent Yes posters have formed a sort of cabal -like group and they usually desend on any form of opposition to the treaty with military precision and employ very dismissive tactics in an attempt to make any opposition look stupid.

3.There have been a very intellectual deficit in arguements by both parties( yes and no proponents) and posts usually degenerate to name calling,abuses and insults are traded on a regular basis.

4.On both sides,we have a few able and intelligent posters that usually set the tone for other respective posters to draw from and this is usually done to a fault.As a result it is very decipherable to notice the lack of originality and critical thinking from a lot of the posters.

( for eg Scofflaw and Popebuckfast from the Yes side and ( within reason) Future Toicheac from the No side) have given very educative and insightful views on the Lisbon treaty.

I am sure it is common knowledege the amount of ridiculous and abysmal reasons to vote either for Yes or No but my own summation is :

> There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the Lisbon treaty i.e it does not lead to the imposition of abortion,EU determined minimum wage ,forceful conscription and other ridiculous assertions.

but

>It also leads to some measure of relinquising national powers to the EU in terms of having
A.EU president that talks and acts on behalf of the EU member states .

B.EU Foreign Minister that formulates and executes policy on behalf of the Union(admittedly this is in co-operation with individual member nation's FMs) but it valid to enquire how this would play out .

C.There is no gainsaying that the lisbon treaty is also an attempt to make Europe more federalistic in nature.


I am confused as to - how to vote ( being eligible for the first time after recieving an Irish passport a year ago).I want Ireland to continue to improve its investment development path in terms of both its IFID and OFID which the country desperately needs to compete meaningfully.I also dont want Ireland to regarded as the whipping boy of Europe.

Coversely,I would detest a situation where Ireland is percieved as a weak nation that can easily be manipulated because she has relatively lower influence/population as opposed to say Poland/Uk/Germany or France.Hence I understand the viewpoint of some naysayers that allude that if it was either of the aforementioned countries that initially voted No....they would not have been required to vote again!

Enough of the rant but what are your thoughts like!

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This thread has been silenced by the European EliteTM. Try Politics in future for Lisbon threads, OP.