Trouble with trespassers

buckshotbrolan

Out this morning with my boom stick on some land I have permission to shoot, great size about 8 huge fields all joined together with high ditches and trees with a small wooded area all down one side. There is one gate in, trees and barbed wire around the perimeter but there are a few houses near by on left side. The place is heaving with rabbits that the farmer wants rid off, so I’m resting up against a ditch with two rabbits in my sights and they're side by side up against a ditch that runs through the middle. As I’m steadying my breathing and taking the slack up on the trigger a fricking spaniel bolts from around the ditch chasing my rabbits away! So as I stood up very startled I could see the dog owner just entering the opposite side of the field, so I withdrew and headed to car very shaky. I called farmer and asked if anyone else is aloud on his land that he might not of told me about, says no one else aloud. Said he has told people before to get off his land and was told to fook off by them! I have since put signs around the perimeter [that I downloaded from this site] stating keep out firearms in use. Don’t know what else to do, plus farmer doesn't want too much trouble because he is sure last lot cut the wire on his fence and some cows escaped. Should I take camcorder with me and approach any one I see trespassing? Any help would be appreciated.

endasmail

personally i wouldn take the camcorder
i would approach the guy and tell him that he has no permission to be on the land {in calm and collected way} and see what he says back
if all else fails get his reg and report him

pullandbang

I wouldn't think it's up to you to do anything. It's not your land - you just have permission to be on it. It's really up to the landowner to tackle trespassers.

4gun

who would be liable if you were unfortunate enough to hit the dog
what would happen if they cliamed it was diliberate were they out shooting or just walking the land?

deerhunter1

endasmail wrote: »

personally i wouldn take the camcorder
i would approach the guy and tell him that he has no permission to be on the land {in calm and collected way} and see what he says back
if all else fails get his reg and report him

Well technically you have the shooting rights of the land,so you should approach the person and notify them, put up signs saying private no shooting, any problems notify the GS that there are people Trespassing with a Firearm. This sounds more serious than shooting without permisson. It worked for me a few years ago.

Mr. Presentable

Bring a sheep with you, you may then shoot any dogs with impunity!

Or you could let the farmer police his own property.

EPointer=Birdss

buckshotbrolan wrote: »

Out this morning with my boom stick on some land I have permission to shoot, great size about 8 huge fields all joined together with high ditches and trees with a small wooded area all down one side. There is one gate in, trees and barbed wire around the perimeter but there are a few houses near by on left side. The place is heaving with rabbits that the farmer wants rid off, so I’m resting up against a ditch with two rabbits in my sights and they're side by side up against a ditch that runs through the middle. As I’m steadying my breathing and taking the slack up on the trigger a fricking spaniel bolts from around the ditch chasing my rabbits away! So as I stood up very startled I could see the dog owner just entering the opposite side of the field, so I withdrew and headed to car very shaky. I called farmer and asked if anyone else is aloud on his land that he might not of told me about, says no one else aloud. Said he has told people before to get off his land and was told to fook off by them! I have since put signs around the perimeter [that I downloaded from this site] stating keep out firearms in use. Don’t know what else to do, plus farmer doesn't want too much trouble because he is sure last lot cut the wire on his fence and some cows escaped. Should I take camcorder with me and approach any one I see trespassing? Any help would be appreciated.

You've done the signs. It's not your land to get into a legal arguement with cameras etc
I would just walk over & say lads, private shooting here. Tell em the farmer has the place littered with poison for foxes & thats why you don't bring you dog. Should put the frighteners on em...

homerhop

Do you not need to poster the land saying poison laid and does the farmer have to have a permit to lay poison now?

buckshotbrolan

Thats spot on, just thinking what i would say to the fella next time i bump into him![even thou its a bluff!] I know its not my land but like most of ye i treat it as my own, check the fences bring home any rubbish i find lying around etc. The farmer lives a good few miles away so its the least i can do. Thanks for the help!

EPointer=Birdss

homerhop wrote: »

Do you not need to poster the land saying poison laid and does the farmer have to have a permit to lay poison now?

I'm not saying to do it I'm saying tell the lads trespassing that it is. Bit of scare mongering...
If they complain to the guards, then tell the guards you don't know what there on about & that they shouldn't be on the land in the 1st place.
Win win cause you are doing nothing wrong only telling a white lie...

homerhop

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

I'm not saying to do it I'm saying tell the lads trespassing that it is. Bit of scare mongering...

Understand that, just wanted to see was it something I had imagined. Plus the fact its no harm to clarify these things. Murphys law and all that..;)

EPointer=Birdss

homerhop wrote: »

Understand that, just wanted to see was it something I had imagined. Plus the fact its no harm to clarify these things. Murphys law and all that..;)

I don't know if many lads are poisoning lands these days.
I'm sure the rules & regs would be fairly strict in comparison to years ago.
Sure i doubt poisons are readily available over the counter anyway...:P
Since stricknine was banned is there anything half as lethal?
I know of few lads that used use stricknine due to fox, lamb trouble & there wasn't a fox in the area! Poison is messy stuff though & even if it's hung up nearly anything fox size could get at it...:(
If it could be done humanely & safely it would be 100 times more effective than lamping but doubt that's possible.

maglite

I'd tell you "Sod off".

You can point out that it may not be the brightest idea to be walking when you have your shooting signs up. There are very few parts of the country that see tresspass as a crime.

buckshotbrolan

maglite wrote: »

I'd tell you "Sod off".

You can point out that it may not be the brightest idea to be walking when you have your shooting signs up. There are very few parts of the country that see tresspass as a crime.

Ha, you're not the one I'm on about are ya? :eek: Look I'm a very carefull person, and with lead flying around i don't want anything to go wrong. I've been doing this for a few years now and its something I've not come across. Just asking for ideas on making things a bit safer. Cheers.

EPointer=Birdss

maglite wrote: »

I'd tell you "Sod off".

You can point out that it may not be the brightest idea to be walking when you have your shooting signs up. There are very few parts of the country that see tresspass as a crime.

If you were walkin or if you were shooting you'd say sod off?
And to who, the farmer of the fella telling you it was private land?

Would you shoot land you knew was part of a gun club if you weren't a member?

maglite

If I was walking,

If I had a gun i would not enter land without permission. I will and do shoot on land covered by a gun club with the permission of the farmer if I am not a member of a club.

EPointer=Birdss

maglite wrote: »

If I was walking,

If I had a gun i would not enter land without permission. I will and do shoot on land covered by a gun club with the permission of the farmer if I am not a member of a club.

Fair enough this post makes sense. Came across a bit sh**ty in the other one lad but I agree with you now that clarified a bit...

The poster is saying that these other guys don't have permission & are hunting the place, hence his frustration which is very understanable, when he is keeping foxes down, fixing fences etc as he explained.

maglite

I did't think the other fella was hunting...

There is also no speculation that thi walker was doing damage.

buckshotbrolan

maglite wrote: »

I did't think the other fella was hunting...

There is also no speculation that thi walker was doing damage.

The person who is trespassing is after rabbits with his dog, plus i have found a few snairs around the field, and with all the fresh tracks im seeing it appears he's in there quite abit. Also he's made an entrance way in near the houses end by bending the wire up and breaking down a good few branch's, also the sign i put up infront off that entrance way has been removed!

EPointer=Birdss

buckshotbrolan wrote: »

The person who is trespassing is after rabbits with his dog, plus i have found a few snairs around the field, and with all the fresh tracks im seeing it appears he's in there quite abit. Also he's made an entrance way in near the houses end by bending the wire up and breaking down a good few branch's, also the sign i put up infront off that entrance way has been removed!

Puts the whole thing into context then doesn't it! :mad: Gas the way lads think they own the place & take down signs etc
Dig a big hole where he's climbin over, fill with cow sh*t,cover it with plastic & leaves & leave him fall into it! :D
On a serious note,
Did you confront him yet?
Did you remove his snares?

pedroeibar

It’s down to how you handle it. In Ireland most people do not accept – wrongly - that trespassing is an offense. Ask the farmer who has given you permission if you can ask trespassers to leave. If he says “yes” you then have the right to ask any trespasser to leave. If the trespasser has a gun it is armed trespass and that is a criminal offense. As the representative of the owner you have the right to ask their name and address. The owner of the shooting rights has the right to prosecute and if successful, the trespasser can lose his property (gun or snare).
Do not be confrontational, do it nicely, first time just say that an offense is being committed, point this out and say that next time the Gardai will be notified. That usually works. If it does not, start by removing the snares. If that does not discourage them, do what one guy I know does - he lets the air out of all four tyres of trespassers' cars if he is ignored.:D

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maglite

pedroeibar wrote: »

the right to ask any trespasser to leave
you have the right to ask their name and address. The owner of the shooting rights has the right to prosecute and if successful,
If it does not, start by removing the snares.
lets the air out of all four tyres of trespassers' cars if he is ignored.:D

Source
Source
You dont have the rights to any shooting, you have permission
Theft
O so far we have and trespass, vandalism and intimidation with a gun,, I can see the court case. vs a dog chasing rabbits.


Its not your field. I would argue if the farmer knew it was a neighbor he would tell you Foxtrot Oscar.

buckshotbrolan

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Puts the whole thing into context then doesn't it! :mad: Gas the way lads think they own the place & take down signs etc
Dig a big hole where he's climbin over, fill with cow sh*t,cover it with plastic & leaves & leave him fall into it! :D
On a serious note,
Did you confront him yet?
Did you remove his snares?

When i was there yesterday admiring the removal of my sign i spotted the same dog being walked by a young girl, asked her if she has seen any one going into the field, she reply'd that her dad is allways in there after rabbits.So i ask'd her to tell her dad i have permission to be in there shooting and for him to kindly keep out for his own safety and his dog!I have taken down all snares.Don't really want a war on my hands coz its not my land plus hard to get land to shoot on where i live. Think i will just have to catch him in the act again and tell him face to face that its not safe, and that ill be putting some poison down for the fox problem! As ye say a little white lie can't hurt:D

bunny shooter

maglite wrote: »

..........I will and do shoot on land covered by a gun club with the permission of the farmer if I am not a member of a club.

Have you applied for membership of the club/s in these situations?

If you haven't, what you are saying is that if you are shooting game that a club has paid to stock the land with that you are happy to shoot it for free :rolleyes:

maglite

I have expressed an interest, and I dont shoot game.

buckshotbrolan

maglite wrote: »

Source
Source
You dont have the rights to any shooting, you have permission
Theft
O so far we have and trespass, vandalism and intimidation with a gun,, I can see the court case. vs a dog chasing rabbits.


Its not your field. I would argue if the farmer knew it was a neighbor he would tell you Foxtrot Oscar.

Look you don't get it, these aren't the only fields i shoot on for this farmer and it anoys me that i do the right thing and get written permisson to be on his land[ and ya know farmers hate signing anything] and i let him know every time i go shooting on his land so the only person that should be there is me.I have told the farmer thart its a neighbor and he's said i can do what i want to stop this fella!But as i said i don't want a war

pedroeibar

maglite wrote: »

Source
Source
You dont have the rights to any shooting, you have permission
Theft
O so far we have and trespass, vandalism and intimidation with a gun,, I can see the court case. vs a dog chasing rabbits.


Its not your field. I would argue if the farmer knew it was a neighbor he would tell you Foxtrot Oscar.

Nobody mentioned intinidation. Do some homework. Anyone carrying a gun should know their rights and responsibilities. Read http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1976/en/act/pub/0039/sec0044.html
for starters.
P.

maglite

Rather than posting an act. Do you want to specify exactly what you think is relivant.

Remember you ahve stated you have permission to hunt. Not the rights to hunt.

pedroeibar

maglite wrote: »

Rather than posting an act. Do you want to specify exactly what you think is relivant.

Remember you ahve stated you have permission to hunt. Not the rights to hunt.

I posted a link to Section 44 of the Act, which covers "Unlawful hunting or entry on land."
What's the problem?
P.

bunny shooter

If there are as many rabbits as you claim you seem just a little selfish as I'm sure the farmer would be delighted no matter how the rabbits were removed.

The farmer might get tired of your pestering him and decide it's less hassle to get rid of you and let the other chap have all the rabbits :eek:

Maglite, I would not mind any lad shooting vermin and not being in the local club BUT if they are shooting game and refuse to join the local club that is another thing

buckshotbrolan

bunny shooter wrote: »

If there are as many rabbits as you claim you seem just a little selfish as I'm sure the farmer would be delighted no matter how the rabbits were removed.

The farmer might get tired of your pestering him and decide it's less hassle to get rid of you and let the other chap have all the rabbits :eek:

Im far from selfish but it is a privilege i like to gard, but what im getting at is i let the farmer know when and where il be shooting.If this fella went to the trouble like i did by getting permission then we would know someone ells would be in the field and their would be less chance of an accident.After all its a grazing field with cattle not a designated dog walking area.

Vegeta

Maybe you could befriend this fella and work on the rabbit problem together. You cant have enough friends involved in the sport

Then ask him to text ya when ever he is heading out so you know you wont be in the same place at the same time

bunny shooter

buckshotbrolan wrote: »

..........its a grazing field with cattle not a designated dog walking area.

You could say the same for shooting :P

buckshotbrolan

Vegeta wrote: »

Maybe you could befriend this fella and work on the rabbit problem together. You cant have enough friends involved in the sport

Then ask him to text ya when ever he is heading out so you know you wont be in the same place at the same time

I didn't even think about that approach! Only problem i can see is if other people see its ok for him to go in then it must be ok for everyone ells?
I will definitely try and work with this fella, but i get the feeling he's gonna have the same attitude as Maglite. Thanks for all the help.:D

EPointer=Birdss

buckshotbrolan wrote: »

I didn't even think about that approach! Only problem i can see is if other people see its ok for him to go in then it must be ok for everyone ells?
I will definitely try and work with this fella, but i get the feeling he's gonna have the same attitude as Maglite. Thanks for all the help.:D

I genuinely have sympathy for you on this one.
Few lads here giving you a hard time I think...:P

We have battles every year with lads shooting, duck, pheasants & a few rabbits that are around in our area. Sometimes signs visible from the roads are worse as it draws attention.
Between 4 of us we must spend 5-6 nights a week & an unknown amount of money on raising pheasants, predator control, filling/checking hoppers etc & when someone wonders on passing out all the signs it is very frustrating. Some necks on em! One "harmless walker" used walk his terrier up the middle of the shoot every morning all year! Middle of laying to middle of shooting. You couldn't get within a field of some of the pheasants up that way they were gone so wild. Left alot of cocks around for this years breeding season which doesn't help the hens!
We met him one day by chance whiles out for few foxes & our own terriers took a dislike to his, havn't seen him since!;)

buckshotbrolan

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

I genuinely have sympathy for you on this one.
Few lads here giving you a hard time I think...:P

Sure im not fussed its been fun;)Thank you for your positive input!

J. Ramone

To give this chancer any leeway would be to take the attitude that all hunting/shooting should be a free for all regardless of the landowners wishes. If so, habiatat management for game, game rearing and predator control would not be worthwhile for any individual or group of individuals.

A landowner where this rule has come about by default will soon get fedup with broken fences and harried stock with no accounatability from anyone. Then a notice will be in the paper ending with the phrase "all previous permissions revoked".

realcavanman

Hi folks , i have a sorta similar problem. I have a field that borders a lake. A guy walks through my land and shoots on the lake side. He has no permission to do so. When asked about it he said my father (now dead) had given him permission.Now he comes by boat and shoots on shore. He also says he can shoot on the foreshore without permission, is this right?

deerhunter1

realcavanman wrote: »

Hi folks , i have a sorta similar problem. I have a field that borders a lake. A guy walks through my land and shoots on the lake side. He has no permission to do so. When asked about it he said my father (now dead) had given him permission.Now he comes by boat and shoots on shore. He also says he can shoot on the foreshore without permission, is this right?

Unless the lake is state owned and he has a forshore permit to hunt then he is not entitled to be there hunting

It wasn't me!

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Unless the lake is state owned and he has a forshore permit to hunt then he is not entitled to be there hunting

And the permit explicitly does not grant permission to access the foreshore via private lands in any case.

realcavanman

I don't know if the lake is state owned or not.Presume its not?? It forms part of the border with Fermanagh, northern/southern Ireland border. The lands surrounding the lake are owned by many different people/farmers.

What is foreshore license and what entitlements does it allow?

iwsf

a foreshore license allows you to shoot on state owned lakes but as it was mentionned previously it does not permit you to cross the land to access the water. You require permission from the owner for that.

johngalway

realcavanman wrote: »

I don't know if the lake is state owned or not.Presume its not?? It forms part of the border with Fermanagh, northern/southern Ireland border. The lands surrounding the lake are owned by many different people/farmers.

What is foreshore license and what entitlements does it allow?

http://www.npws.ie/en/media/NPWS/Publications/Legaldocs/Media,3685,en.pdf

The second page names the State lakes. Regarding the sea shore, as far as I'm aware a holder of such a permit is allowed to shoot from the low water mark to the high water mark along the shore but can't shoot from, or travel through someones land without their permission, permit or no.

realcavanman

So is it alright to come across the lake, land on the shore and shoot?

ayapatrick

realcavanman wrote: »

I don't know if the lake is state owned or not.Presume its not?? It forms part of the border with Fermanagh, northern/southern Ireland border. The lands surrounding the lake are owned by many different people/farmers.

What is foreshore license and what entitlements does it allow?

is it not that the people who own the land around the lake own half way out in the lake and the same with of water that ajoins their land.
this is the case with some land of ours and probably the same in most cases.

foxshooter243

ayapatrick wrote: »

is it not that the people who own the land around the lake own half way out in the lake and the same with of water that ajoins their land.
this is the case with some land of ours and probably the same in most cases.

Its simply a case of if you are able to access a state owned lake via a public right of way or road then you have accesss to shooting that lake if you hold a foreshore permit which covers that particular lake, if the lake were state owned then a person could in theory access a lake from one side via a public right of way and then cross it on boat to shoot the other side , after all they are on state owned waters and they have a permit to do so, Private lakes area different kettle of fish;)

lucy333springer

buckshotbrolan wrote: »

Thats spot on, just thinking what i would say to the fella next time i bump into him![even thou its a bluff!] I know its not my land but like most of ye i treat it as my own, check the fences bring home any rubbish i find lying around etc. The farmer lives a good few miles away so its the least i can do. Thanks for the help![/quote

This i would treat very carefully, some of these feckers are crazy, and if it gets into a little bit of squareing up with him and his three other buddies plus 5 dogs:eek:, they call guards, a hole nightmare of lies, your guns conficated, so on and forth, and really the the only unlawful thing they might be doing, is having a dog on farm ground without a lease, this could be a rambler, perfectlly legal, these guys could cause so much damage, gates, wire, animals, take a chill out pill, and cool for a short time. Good Luck.