commerical property, change of use?

bacon?

hi, if i want to change the use of a commercial property from retail to food... what does that cover.

here's the deal, ultimatly i want to sell take out food... but when i was talking to the planning authority they said no to take out food... now, there's cafe's on either side of the place i'm looking at...

they said a cafe or restaurant would be ok....

so, here's my question, can i get planning for a restaurant/cafe, put a few seats in, and if people want to take the food away that's their choice.... i mean, if i go into either of the cafes presently there, and asked could i have the food/coffe to go.. i can't imagine being refused....

mcdonalds call themselves a restaurant, but you can take their food away... so i'm just wonder..... can i just class it as a restaurant and sell food that the customer can take away?

Aard

Might be better suited in the Entrepreneur + Business management forum.

cotwold

Or possibly legal discussion

Poor Uncle Tom

Or maybe Construction and Planning?

It's really all down to the definition in the category of Purpose Group.
http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad,1640,en.pdf

Purpose Group 5 (iv) is specific to Restaurant where food is eaten on the premises, whereas the only Purpose Group which seems to cover a dedicated Take Away would be Purpose Group 8.

Also watch out for specific bye-laws which may appear to discriminate against the idea of having a Take-Away.

snickerpuss

I went for Construction and Planning but if mods want to bump over to Legal Discussion please do.

sydthebeat

bacon? wrote: »

hi, if i want to change the use of a commercial property from retail to food... what does that cover.

here's the deal, ultimatly i want to sell take out food... but when i was talking to the planning authority they said no to take out food... now, there's cafe's on either side of the place i'm looking at...

they said a cafe or restaurant would be ok....

so, here's my question, can i get planning for a restaurant/cafe, put a few seats in, and if people want to take the food away that's their choice.... i mean, if i go into either of the cafes presently there, and asked could i have the food/coffe to go.. i can't imagine being refused....

mcdonalds call themselves a restaurant, but you can take their food away... so i'm just wonder..... can i just class it as a restaurant and sell food that the customer can take away?

if there is fixed available seating, its a restaurant.....

generally, planning for a takeaway will only be granted if it is ancillary to a restaurant, unless a specific economic need exists. however, the restaurant should not be ancillary to the takeaway...

bacon?

cheers guys, some great advice...

there's another premises i was looking at, but it's been let... and the estate agent let it slip that he managed to get planning for a cafe/take away... from the same planning authority.....

how do i go about finding out the planning application for this place... i have the address...

would this work in my favour... if they've given planning allready... or is it better to try a softly softly approach?

the impression i got off the estate agent was that you gotta play to their tune...