Bernard v Poonsawat - Super fight or not Poll

Captain Furball

Should this fight be a super fight?
First World title fight defence in Ireland for how long? 13 years????
This is Super status !!!

cowzerp

Your not even in the competition so what business is it to you?

at this short notice for some its going to be a problem anyway so for double points they double lose, the super fights are based on world wide appeal and not on how even the matches are, otherwise we could get super fights every week deeming them pointless.

Captain Furball

Ego aside now for a second.
This fight is bloody huge, it deserves more points than that farce we had last week.
Short notice? Are some people away from planet earth at present?

Macsimus

Anyone know if rte have this fight or is it pay per view??

Captain Furball

Rte live all around the earth. Free
Vote yes for Dunne !!

Macsimus

Good Stuff - tks for that, best news ive heard all week.

joepenguin

Im not following the competiton polls but dunne-poonswat is more competitive and harder to guess than mayweather-marquez. It would be like Dunne fighting a blown up super flyweight (note that he fought men who were superflys but didnt take men who made superfly with some change and brought them to super bantam).

Should it be labelled a "superfight" ? (comp aside) no definitly not, it is a world classs fight between 2 evenly matched fighters alright but we shouldnt throw the term around too loosely.

Mayweather - Pac for me would be a superfight should pac destroy cotto.
Jaunma vs gamboa in 18 months time if both put good names on their records would be a superfight.

We should expect no.7 to fight n0.5 regularly, and it is a "superfight" in Irish terms as we dont have many world class pros.

Lord Trollington

http://www.boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=26&SUBMIT=Go

Boxrec has this fight down as a 5 star fight.
It doenst hand out 5 stars too often!!!

joepenguin

whycliff wrote: »

http://www.boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=26&SUBMIT=Go

Boxrec has this fight down as a 5 star fight.
It doenst hand out 5 stars too often!!!

Well thats true, and it is deserving of 5 stars as its a world class fight, but superfight is bigger than just a normal world class fight.
Like when Ali fought Frazier, if Mayweather fights pac. Hatton-Pac was as well imo. I know its easy to look back now and say otherwise but at the time it was huge and people were so divided as to who would win and a year previous it would have been unthinkable.

walshb

This is not close to a super fight guys, for Ireland, it's good, but on the world scene, it isn't close. Dunne has fanatical suppoters in Dublin, similar to Hatton in England. That doesn't mean anything is 'super.'

McGuigan-Nelson had it came off would have been truly SUPER.

Captain Furball

So an Irish man defending his belt in Ireland is not a super fight?
Your priorities are misplaced.Gimme a break.....

walshb

Captain Furball wrote: »

So an Irish man defending his belt in Ireland is not a super fight?
Your priorities are misplaced.Gimme a break.....

I could spend pages detailing why it isn't, but I get the feeling you
don't like disagreement.

Lord Trollington

its not a super fight because in the weight division that its in there aren't too many if any house hold names...
Unlike Hatton,Pac,Mayweather,Del la Hoya,Marquez whom change weights to make super fights happen....
Its a huge fight in terms of the weight division in my opinion.

There is a heavy weight fight on this weekend invlving Kiltscko and its only 4 star...

Captain Furball

Tell me why it isn't a super fight I'm all ears.
Dunne isn't a house hold name in Ireland?That's where we live right?
Watching Kiltscko is like watching paint dry.

joepenguin

In Irish terms its a superfight. In super bantamweight terms its a comsiderable fight that anyone whos anyone will look at on the world scene. Its a genuine world class proper evenly matched fight, and one of the biggest and most significant this country has seen.

edit: hatton-mallignaggi was a fight between #1 and #2 at 140
dunne- poonswat is a fight between #5 and #7 at 122.

hatton-paulie wasnt a superfight and neither is this, but at british and irish level they are huge!!

Captain Furball

This fight is going to be watched all over the world sat night.
Just because some wanker didn't promote it with bs doesn't means it's not a super fight.
Do you need the bs stamp of approval before deciding it's a super fight?

Legend
Bs = bullsh!t
Stamp of approval = golden boy productions.



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Johner

Its a superfight for Ireland. Not worldwide not even close.

walshb

The options were pretty poor don't you think?

Floyd-Juan was in no way a super fight.
I actually do not think Floyd was ever in a super fight.
He was in a super HYPED fight, but it wasn't a genuine super
fight

Super fights are as follows:

Hearns-Leonard 1981
Sanchez-Gomez 1981
Pryor-Arguello 1982
Hearns-Hagler 1985
Leonard-Hagler 1987
Carbajal-Gonzales 1993, (first million dollar fight in Jr Fly history, and first to head a PPV event)
Chavez-Whitaker 1993
Jones-Toney 1994
Oscar-Tito 1999.

I could name many many others, but I don't have the time.

Do you see a pattern here Furball?

Captain Furball

Floyd Mayweather Jr v Juan Manuel Marquez Sept 19th SUPER FIGHT-Double points awarded..

I do, there all non-Irish.

Johner

They are all huge names worldwide unlike Dunne and Poonsawat.

Captain Furball

Your missing the point.
It's a super fight if it's on HBO and on American or English tv
It's not a super fight if it's on RTE.
Most people on this forum are Irish so i would say most of you live in Ireland?
And it is a super fight in Ireland?
Am i missing something?

Johner

Captain Furball wrote: »

Your missing the point.
It's a super fight if it's on HBO and on American or English tv
It's not a super fight if it's on RTE.
Most people on this forum are Irish so i would say most of you live in Ireland?
And it is a super fight in Ireland?
Am i missing something?

Not many HBO/American/English fights are superfights.

walshb

Look, it's easy to bandy around the words 'super fight,' however, it doesn't automatically make it so.

IMO, a super fight has feck all to do with money or hype or media.
First and foremost, it has to do with the combatants and their talent
and skill, not popularity. Otherwise, Hatton would be in many super fights.

It also has to involve two men who are quite close in terms of
all around skill, size and achievements, hence, Juan-Floyd is not a candidate.

It also must pit both men when they are close to their peak, hence, Floyd-Oscar
is not a candidate.

Also, both men should be the two best in their division, or one the best, and the other
moving up, having previously been the best in the lower division, Hagler-Hearns
or Sanchez-Gomez are examples.

Finally ,having star appeal will help, obviously, and being well known world wide talents and recognised as the best in the business would also help

The actual fight can be a stinker or a barn burner, but it must have
certain criteria before it can be termed a super fight.

Now, do you still think that Dunne and the Thai can claim a super fight?

Biggest Super Fight ever had to be Ali-Frazier, 1971

Captain Furball

I think what we need is some pride in our own fighter.
All them fights you posted walshb are american boxers promoted in America.
America TV just like Hollywood has a habit of being watched around the world.

walshb

Captain Furball wrote: »

I think what we need is some pride in our own fighter.
All them fights you posted walshb are american boxers promoted in America.
America TV just like Hollywood has a habit of being watched around the world.

All are American fighters?

Don't you mean, most are?

What has pride got to do with it. You asked the question, and some agree
and some don't. I definitely do not rate this fight as close to super.

It's a fight in Ireland between Dunne and the Thai for a 'world title.'
You know, I don't consider the belt to be a world belt, and I am not alone.

The real champ/champs are known in the 122 lb division.

Captain Furball

Most yes most.
Cowzerps interpretation of super fight is distorted .
How can you give floyds fight super fight status and not Dunnes is just ridiculous.
Anyone who knew anything about boxing knew marquess was not winning it but it was still billed as a super fight.It was promoted as a super fight and hyped like a super fight.So why did it get that status when we all know it was a heap of ****?

Vintagekits

Captain Furball wrote: »

I think what we need is some pride in our own fighter.
All them fights you posted walshb are american boxers promoted in America.
America TV just like Hollywood has a habit of being watched around the world.

sometimes its best to stop talkin

Captain Furball

walshb wrote: »

All are American fighters?

Don't you mean, most are?

What has pride got to do with it. You asked the question, and some agree
and some don't. I definitely do not rate this fight as close to super.

It's a fight in Ireland between Dunne and the Thai for a 'world title.'
You know, I don't consider the belt to be a world belt, and I am not alone.

The real champ/champs are known in the 122 lb division.

Having a title defense in our own country doesn't sway you?

walshb

Captain Furball wrote: »

Most yes most.
Cowzerps interpretation of super fight is distorted .
How can you give floyds fight super fight status and not Dunnes is just ridiculous.
Anyone who knew anything about boxing knew marquess was not winning it but it was still billed as a super fight.It was promoted as a super fight and hyped like a super fight.So why did it get that status when we all know it was a heap of ****?

And if you read my post I mentioned how hype and media doesn't necessarily make a fight super. Floyd-Juan and Floyd-Oscar were NOT super fights, no matter how much hype and crap is posted about them. That's the issue here, hype doesn't automatically mean super.

walshb

Captain Furball wrote: »

Having a title defense in our own country doesn't sway you?

Sway me to believe that Dunne and thre Thai are involved in a super fight?

Are you serious. I think maybe you need to research some boxing history to
become familiar with some real tru ring legends. I don't say that offensively, but
if you are trying to maintain that JUST because a 'world title' fight happens here, that
said 'world title' fight must then be SUPER, well, I'm speechless

Captain Furball

I'm talking about cowzerps interpretation which is all over the place.
I'm getting a little carried away but this really pisses me off.

walshb

Care to list exact criteria for a super fight in your view?

Like I listed earlier. I mean, super fight in world terms, not Dublin or Ireland.

Captain Furball

walshb wrote: »

Sway me to believe that Dunne and thre Thai are involved in a super fight?

Are you serious. I think maybe you need to research some boxing history to
become familiar with some real tru ring legends. I don't say that offensively, but
if you are trying to maintain that JUST because a 'world title' fight happens here, that
said 'world title' fight must then be SUPER, well, I'm speechless

Haha thats rich.

Captain Furball

I'm not getting into a petty little discussion.
I think that the fact Bernard is defending a title in our country where it hasn't happened for 13 year is good enough reason for a simple doubling of points on a competition.
I'm not from Dublin i don't even know Bernard.I am however a Native and a avid boxing fan.

walshb

This thread is all over the place, I finally see what you are getting at.:o
Your issue is with the Floyd-Juan fight being threaded as a super fight.

Okay, like I said, I wouldn't call it such, but I don't make the threads or rules, Paul does, and he has been doing it for quiet a while, very effectively too. Paul did mention why he had it a super fight, world wide appeal.
This is true, and if that's the only criteria he selects for these comps, then so be it. He's the boss.

Either way, Dunne-Thai is just another fight

Captain Furball

walshb wrote: »

This thread is all over the place, I finally see what you are getting at.:o
Your issue is with the Floyd-Juan fight being threaded as a super fight.

Okay, like I said, I wouldn't call it such, but I don't make the threads or rules, Paul does, and he has been doing it for quiet a while, very effectively too.

Either way, Dunne-Thai is just another fight

Dunne is not just another fight.Maybe it is for some, but for the whole country I don't think so bud.Biggest fight in Ireland for a decade - 3 days before it happened the poll gets posted.
But ya your right this thread is all over the place.

spongeman

I d'ont think its a superfight like Holyfield/Lewis, but it is a big fight, and a very interesting one. It will be a very even fight, unlike that twaddle I got up to watch last Sunday morning.

eagle eye

Captain Furball wrote: »

Dunne is not just another fight.Maybe it is for some, but for the whole country I don't think so bud.Biggest fight in Ireland for a decade - 3 days before it happened the poll gets posted.
But ya your right this thread is all over the place.

Even in Irish circles this would not compare to McGuigan/Pedroza or the two Collins/Eubanks fights.

Its definitely a big step up for Bernard, but Lopez and Caballero are clearly the top guys in the division. If he were to beat one of them two, then meet the other one, that would be a super fight.

walshb

I was thinking of the Benn-Collins-Eubank affair and this bout doesn't compare to any of them. Outside of Ireland, I don't think anyone gives a toss to be honest.

McGuigan-Pedroza pitted two great fighters, one real world champ, world
renowned champ at that, against each other.

Who the hell could be on first name terms with that Thai:D

Vintagekits

time to lock this BS!

scruff321

joepenguin wrote: »

In Irish terms its a superfight. In super bantamweight terms its a comsiderable fight that anyone whos anyone will look at on the world scene. Its a genuine world class proper evenly matched fight, and one of the biggest and most significant this country has seen.

edit: hatton-mallignaggi was a fight between #1 and #2 at 140
dunne- poonswat is a fight between #5 and #7 at 122.

hatton-paulie wasnt a superfight and neither is this, but at british and irish level they are huge!!

Spot on! Irish terms and for me as an Irishman its a super fight, worldwide context no its not.

itouchmyself

I havent even read any off this thread Im to lazy but just wanted to pop in and say


....SUPER FIGHT MY ARSE!!!....


What are you people smoking?

cowzerp

Captain Furball wrote: »

I'm not getting into a petty little discussion.
I think that the fact Bernard is defending a title in our country where it hasn't happened for 13 year is good enough reason for a simple doubling of points on a competition.
I'm not from Dublin i don't even know Bernard.I am however a Native and a avid boxing fan.

You started this petty thread because the competition that your not even in did not recognise this as a super fight.

To be a super fight it needs to have lb 4 lb fighters fighting against each other, as far as levels go, the fight was competitive, the weight was the difference, Marquez arguably beat pacman 2 times, he was recognised as no 2 lb 4 lb, mayweather arguably no 1, he is in my opinion anyway.

Regardless, the comp is for charity and a bit of fun, thanks for your contribution, oh wait you did not contribute!

I know bernard and am from dublin, plus i've been to most his fights, does not change anything.

Spazdarn

Captain Furball wrote: »

Your missing the point.
It's a super fight if it's on HBO and on American or English tv
It's not a super fight if it's on RTE.
Most people on this forum are Irish so i would say most of you live in Ireland?
And it is a super fight in Ireland?
Am i missing something?

Me battering my little brother could be deemed a super fight in my household, that doesn't mean it's worth a **** outside that domain.

It's massive for Irish sport, but to just about everyone else it's just another tightly contested boxing match..

joepenguin

Im not in the comp and it makes no odds to me but i agree that this should be given superfight status over floyd-jmm which is just easy points, never mind easy double points. Its an Irish forum and an evenly matched world class fight.

We dont see Irish fight like this often but we do see mismatches being labelled as being something they are not far too often.

Be like going down bookies and getting Dunne for 4/1 and Mayweather at 8/1. As I said not in comp so makes no odds but just my 2c.

Anyone know if i can watch it on rte website the next day without them having the result up? cheers

mark renton

Concessions should be made in this case

if it was mma and 2 donkeys with 10 fights between them were fighting then mma peoples would have no problem calling it a superfight

in this case concession should be made - that way we all live happily ever after

walshb

Diplomacy and compromise is needed here. Super fight for Neilstown and Dunne's fans? YES. Super fght for Ireland and the rest of the world? No way!:)

mark renton

So in regards to the competiton - if you are in Ireland /and or B Dunne fan - you will then receive double points if he wins

glad thats sorted

Captain Furball

cowzerp wrote: »

You started this petty thread because the competition that your not even in did not recognise this as a super fight.

To be a super fight it needs to have lb 4 lb fighters fighting against each other, as far as levels go, the fight was competitive, the weight was the difference, Marquez arguably beat pacman 2 times, he was recognised as no 2 lb 4 lb, mayweather arguably no 1, he is in my opinion anyway.

Regardless, the comp is for charity and a bit of fun, thanks for your contribution, oh wait you did not contribute!

I know bernard and am from dublin, plus i've been to most his fights, does not change anything.

You think marquez and floyd was a super fight off with ya.
I think that's the most ridiculous.
Ya its for charity and a bit of fun..... Get over yourself.

cowzerp

Captain Furball wrote: »

You think marquez and floyd was a super fight off with ya.
I think that's the most ridiculous.
Ya its for charity and a bit of fun..... Get over yourself.

Fukball you started all this shiite with your petty moaning and starting this crap thread, there 2 legendary fighters fighting each other, both are world class, the only seperation was the weight-before the fight it was much closer expected than after which is easy to go on about in hindsight-you are at best a shiit stirrer and otherwise a complete *ic*head

AND AS SEEN AS YOU CANT GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD, THE COMP IS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU YOU SAD LITTLE MAN.

walshb

Thread is dead!