Learner legal bikes

KamiKazi

Hey all,

Lot of threads about which bikes are and aren't learner legal, so here's a list I found listing which ones are learner legal. May be a few missing from the list, if anyone has one to add post it up and I'll stick it in this post.

Honda
Rebel 250
GB250
Steed 400
CB400
FT500
XL500S
XL500R
BROS400
GB400TT
NV400C
VRX400
MAGNA250
CB250RS
CB250NH
XLR250
XLR250Degree
XR250

Kawasaki
KE175-D
Z200-A
Estrella 250
EN400
KL250-C
Z250-A
Z250-B
Z250-C
EL250-D/F
KL250 D7
KLX250-G
ZZR250

Suzuki
DR350S
Intruder 400
DR250S
Desperado 400
DR400S
SP400
SP370
GS250T
GSX250E
GT200
GT250E
GZ125
GZ250
GOOSE250
LS650F
SB200
LS400Savage
LS400Tempter
SX200
VS400
TS185ER
TS250ER
GN250
DR350SE
LS650P
RV200

Yamaha
DT175MX
RD200DX
RS200
SRV250
XS250SE
XS250
XT250
SRX250
Drag Star 400
SRX400
SR500
SR250
XV250
XT350
SDR200
TT250
Serow 225
SR400
SR500
Tricker 250

And to clear up the confusion, it seems your bike must meet both power requirements, not one or the other.

RSA wrote:

The maximum power output cannot exceed 25kW or a power/weight ratio of 0.16kW per Kg.

Idleater

Yikes, how old is that list?

There are tons (well 2 anyway) in there that don't meet the PTW or the 25kw requirements nevermind both.

And there is no FR listing.

KamiKazi

nereid wrote: »

Yikes, how old is that list?

There are tons (well 2 anyway) in there that don't meet the PTW or the 25kw requirements nevermind both.

And there is no FR listing.

I'd says its old enough. Most bikes learners buy are older anyway :pac:

Del2005

KamiKazi wrote: »

Originally Posted by RSA
The maximum power output cannot exceed 25kW or a power/weight ratio of 0.16kW per Kg.

And to clear up the confusion, it seems your bike must meet both power requirements, not one or the other.

You're missing the the OR in the quote you posted. If they wanted both they would have used AND. It's not our fault that whoever in the government wrote the law doesn't understand English, but or doesn't mean both. It means A or B not A and B.

Just as an aside does anyone know where the power is measured? Is it at the crank or wheel?

KamiKazi

Del2005 wrote: »

You're missing the the OR in the quote you posted. If they wanted both they would have used AND. It's not our fault that whoever in the government wrote the law doesn't understand English, but or doesn't mean both. It means A or B not A and B.

Just as an aside does anyone know where the power is measured? Is it at the crank or wheel?

I think 'or' is correct in this case, as its preceeded by a negative, ie:

Bike cannot exceed 33bhp/25kW or a power/weight ratio of 0.16kW per Kg.
Bike must be under 33bhp/25kW and a power/weight ratio of 0.16kW per Kg.

At least that's my understanding of it, I could be completely wrong.

traco

Looking at my licence its less than and equal to symbol. The max power by that would be 25kW (33bhp) and then the second factor would be the criteria for very light bikes with less than 33bhp but would otherwise exceed the power to weight ratio.

Ratings are as per manufacturers technical specs for power and weight so forget loss in bhp with age, panniers or how much you weigh as its all clutching at straws.

From what I see most companies don't even recoginse the restrictions and apply the standard rates for that bike based on your personal details, age, licence, experience etc.

So I would recommend get several quotes for the bike you want forget the BHP weight stuff, buy it and pay for a certified restrictor (€200-€300) to be fitted so you are legal with the licensing requirements. Once you are legal that way then your insurance is valid.

Other options leave you exposed and not getting paid if you claim. Thats the approch I took anyway.

KamiKazi

Traco most companies will recognise factory installed restrictors, but you're right about aftermarket ones they won't make any difference to your quote.

yogidc26

Hey

Just wondering has any one been done for not having their bike restricted look to me that there are a lot of people riding around on bikes that aren’t

Wossack

yogidc26 wrote: »

Hey

Just wondering has any one been done for not having their bike restricted look to me that there are a lot of people riding around on bikes that aren’t

how can tell just from looking that a bike is restricted?

KamiKazi

yogidc26 wrote: »

Hey

Just wondering has any one been done for not having their bike restricted look to me that there are a lot of people riding around on bikes that aren’t

Most Gardai don't care whether your bike is restricted or not (within reason, don't be on a Fireblade :P), but there's a chance that the insurance company won't pay out / reclaim the costs from you in the case of an accident.

yogidc26

so the trick is not to crash :P and you'll be fine. It just all a bit mad I'm on an ER5 its not restricted insurance company dont give a sh1t I asked them out right will the pay out the guy said yes. Will have to see?

KamiKazi

yogidc26 wrote: »

so the trick is not to crash :P and you'll be fine. It just all a bit mad I'm on an ER5 its not restricted insurance company dont give a sh1t I asked them out right will the pay out the guy said yes. Will have to see?

Pretty much. My bike puts out 53HP/39kW so I can't really talk :pac:

traco

All the quotes I got were all over the place - none asked about restriction and when I asked one company they told me they treat them all as unrestricted.

I just shortlisted 2/3 models I liked, checked insurance costs and ended up buying a Fazer yesterday. I will get it restricted over the next week or two, need to gather the funds for the insurance and restrictor now so she is locked up in a warehouse at the moment.

I'd rather not use it unrestricted so I don't feel all depressed afterwards when it is limited. Can't miss it if you never had it.

KamiKazi

traco wrote: »

I'd rather not use it unrestricted so I don't feel all depressed afterwards when it is limited. Can't miss it if you never had it.

Good thinking

Del2005

yogidc26 wrote: »

so the trick is not to crash :P and you'll be fine. It just all a bit mad I'm on an ER5 its not restricted insurance company dont give a sh1t I asked them out right will the pay out the guy said yes. Will have to see?

They have to pay out when you have insurance. But if you crash they are perfectly within their rights to come after you for all money paid out and it's only when sh!t happens that they may look at the bike and check for restrictions, as you are riding without a valid licence if it's unrestricted.