Conditioning

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How're ya lads.

I'd like to slightly improve my pain threshold for taking hits, besides kicking concrete blocks around the place where's the best place to start.

I train a few times a week, just wondering if it's wise to supplement training with some extra work in this area.

Trying to not make it a stupid question, I understand that the longer someone spends training the more conditioned they get, I'm not looking to fast track myself.

Thanks.

Furious-Dave

It's really up to yourself if you want to do extra training or not. Pain tolerance will be increase through sparring. I do believe however that the best way to improve pain threshold for taking hits is by taking hits, and especially so for low kicks. Karate systems often have tough conditioning training, there are those who take it way too far. While looking on Youtube for some clips to post is came across one that started out with some typical Kyokushin conditioning, but by the end of it the coach was standing on the students head while he was lying on the ground :eek: That's just nuts.
Anyway this clip is fairly good. They do take it a tad far but not much. Also bare in mind that these guys are black belts in their specific art and so would have been doing this type of training for a few years. If starting out with this type of training you don't have to go anywhere near that level. Just take it easy, increasing the power behind the strikes as your pain tolerance goes up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QUYq_JkSc

A lot of people think that all of this type of training is just crazy, and perhaps they're right, but it definitely works.

pearsquasher

Training in a style that doesn't rely on pain infliction for results teaches me that training to condition for this is pointless. I'm more worried about the other guys ability to disable me through balance-breaking or weapon-related trauma.. that means not so much pain-conditioning but movement condtioning.. mobility, balance recovery, escape, not-engaging etc.

You can stand there all day taking punches and kicks but you ought to learn to move first and foremost because if a knife comes your way, your pain tresh-hold is irrelavent as you bleed out.

Just a thought.

Furious-Dave

pearsquasher wrote: »

Training in a style that doesn't rely on pain infliction for results teaches me that training to condition for this is pointless. I'm more worried about the other guys ability to disable me through balance-breaking or weapon-related trauma.. that means not so much pain-conditioning but movement condtioning.. mobility, balance recovery, escape, not-engaging etc.

You can stand there all day taking punches and kicks but you ought to learn to move first and foremost because if a knife comes your way, your pain tresh-hold is irrelavent as you bleed out.

Just a thought.

Oh I understand your point on movement conditioning. However, IMO it and impact conditioning are two blocks in the same structure. I also believe that the ability to take strikes has a psychological effect on your opponent, be it in sport or self defense.

I know someone who has extensive training in several styles who has been in altercations involving knives and he says if a knife comes your way, pretty much all your training goes out the window. All you can do is learn how real knife attacks occur and then attempt to develop some extremely basic responses in the hope that you might increase your chances of survival by a few %.

pearsquasher

All you can do is learn how real knife attacks occur and then attempt to develop some extremely basic responses in the hope that you might increase your chances of survival by a few %.

..eh... that IS training for a lot of folks....So how can it go out the window....

Anyway, been in a knife situation and know my training helped... and it didn't involve taking a hit but rather....movement.

Don't get me wrong though....I get hit all the time in training and it is important. I just wanted to emphasise that pain-conditioning by just standing there taking hits ain't good.

OMCCABE

The vid Furious Dave posted is certainly something worth doing and somthing I would encourae at the start or end of each training session however it is a fine lin you have to walk. Too much intensity and you will have mild soft tissue injuries (that will effect training until they heal). Too little and the exercise is almost worthless. The importnat thing is too have a partner you can work with and one that won't try to hurt you. Just gradually build up the intensity in each session until you feel its time to stop.



If all else fails tie your hands behind your back and sprint into a wall...repeat as necessary;)

Roper

I actually don't know anyone fighting at a decent level who uses any sort of pain tolerance conditioning. The big one is usually the shins. Roll a bottle down them, hit them with a broomstick etc. I honestly don't know anyone who does it who I would call a fighter.

Most fighters spar and hit bags and pads enough to have their shins and legs well and truly conditioned. Hit the big bag in our place down at the bottom enough and you'll be grand, and I wouldn't actually recommend too much of that either.

The sharp pains are the ones that frighten people, but I would say that it is far better to condition the stressed areas through weight training than it is to condition them to take pain. Muscle is nature's armour. Protect yourself with enough of it and you decrease your chances of sustaining injury. Areas people neglect the most are the neck and back, but for legs having stronger legs to block with has obvious advantages, and having good upper body strength when punching increases punching power and dissipates the impact away from the skeletal structure and through the supporting muscle.

Tim_Murphy

Roper wrote: »

I actually don't know anyone fighting at a decent level who uses any sort of pain tolerance conditioning. The big one is usually the shins. Roll a bottle down them, hit them with a broomstick etc. I honestly don't know anyone who does it who I would call a fighter.

Most fighters spar and hit bags and pads enough to have their shins and legs well and truly conditioned. Hit the big bag in our place down at the bottom enough and you'll be grand, and I wouldn't actually recommend too much of that either.

The sharp pains are the ones that frighten people, but I would say that it is far better to condition the stressed areas through weight training than it is to condition them to take pain. Muscle is nature's armour. Protect yourself with enough of it and you decrease your chances of sustaining injury. Areas people neglect the most are the neck and back, but for legs having stronger legs to block with has obvious advantages, and having good upper body strength when punching increases punching power and dissipates the impact away from the skeletal structure and through the supporting muscle.

+1
Well said.