2009 GAA Football Rankings

patmac

Here are my GAA rankings based on the following criteria (and after discussion from last years thread):
Championship win: 8pts
Championship win after draw: 4pts Championship draw 4pts.
League Div 1 win: 4pts League Div 1 draw 2pts.
League Div 2 win: 3pts League Div 1 draw 1.5pts.
League Div 3 win: 2pts League Div 1 draw 1pts.
League Div 4 win: 1pt League Div 1 draw .5pt.
Bonus points: All-Ireland winners :36 pts
Provincial winners:24 pts
League winners:8pts.
So for 2009 (2008 in brackets).
1(6)Kerry126.2(4)Cork83.5.3(1)Tyrone70.4(18)Mayo62.5(3)Dublin60.6(17)Meath49.7(11)Kildare47.8(14)Donegal42.9(20)Wicklow36.10(9)Derry34.10(2)Galway34.12(11)Down26.13(13)Monaghan24.5.14(28)Antrim23.15(16)Limerick22.15(30)Roscommon22.17(24)Tipperary20.18(15)Laois17.19(23)Sligo16.20(22)Cavan14.20(26)Louth14.22(7)Wexford13.5.23(27)Longford13.24(10)Fermngh12.5.25(5)Armagh12.26(8)Westmeath8.27(25)Offaly7.28(19)Leitrim5.5.29(29)Waterford4.5.30(31)Carlow3.30(20)Clare3.32(33)London2.33(32)Kilkenny0.33(33)New York0.

Big improvements for Kerry+5,Mayo+14,Meath+11,Kildare+6,Donegal+6,Wicklow+11,Antrim+14,Roscommon+15,Tipperary +7.
Big drops for Galway-8,Wexford-15,Armagh-20,Westmeath-18,Leitrim-9.

homerjay2005

fari play for totting it all up, BUT

as i say every year, a very flawed ranking system! Limerick deserve to be higher. for example. The games should be weighted more and its a system designed for winning in the later stages.
id give it a different slant. but im not going to have the time to tot it up, but here goes a suggestion. im sure others will have different opinion.

League -
Division 1 for every win ; 3 points, Draw 1 point. Winners + 10 points, Runners up +5 Points.
Division 2 for every win ; 2 points, Draw 1 point. Winners + 7 points, Runners up + 3 Points.
Division 3 & 4 for every win ; 2 points. Winners + 5 points, Runners up +2 Points.

Championship -

Round 1 Qualifier victory - 5 points.
Round 2 Qualifier Victory - 8 points.
Round 3 Qualifier Victory - 12 points.
Round 4 Qualifier Victory - 15 points.
1/4 final Victory - 18 points.
Semi Victory - 22 Points.
Final Victory - 25 points.
Draw in final - 10 points extra for both teams.

1st round Province Victory - 3 points
1/4 final Province Victory - 6 points.
1/2 Final Province Victory - 10 points.
Provincal Victory - 15 points.

Daysha

I might give your one a go homer, been meaning to do one for the hurling anyway.

As for the original table, really not too sure if Wicklow deserve to be as high as 9th tbh.

patmac

homerjay2005 wrote: »

fari play for totting it all up, BUT

as i say every year, a very flawed ranking system! Limerick deserve to be higher. for example. The games should be weighted more and its a system designed for winning in the later stages.
id give it a different slant. but im not going to have the time to tot it up, but here goes a suggestion. im sure others will have different opinion.

League -
Division 1 for every win ; 3 points, Draw 1 point. Winners + 10 points, Runners up +5 Points.
Division 2 for every win ; 2 points, Draw 1 point. Winners + 7 points, Runners up + 3 Points.
Division 3 & 4 for every win ; 2 points. Winners + 5 points, Runners up +2 Points.

Championship -

Round 1 Qualifier victory - 5 points.
Round 2 Qualifier Victory - 8 points.
Round 3 Qualifier Victory - 12 points.
Round 4 Qualifier Victory - 15 points.
1/4 final Victory - 18 points.
Semi Victory - 22 Points.
Final Victory - 25 points.
Draw in final - 10 points extra for both teams.

1st round Province Victory - 3 points
1/4 final Province Victory - 6 points.
1/2 Final Province Victory - 10 points.
Provincal Victory - 15 points.

Only so many hours in the day. I bet Limerick wouldn't be any higher only 2 championship wins and relegated from Division 3. Why give the same points for a division 2 win as a division 4 win, this would give an advantage to div 4 teams as they play an extra game, very flawed. Harsh as it may seem but Limerick only beat Tipp and Clare after all.

corcaigh07

homerjay2005 wrote: »

fari play for totting it all up, BUT

as i say every year, a very flawed ranking system! Limerick deserve to be higher. for example. The games should be weighted more and its a system designed for winning in the later stages.
id give it a different slant. but im not going to have the time to tot it up, but here goes a suggestion. im sure others will have different opinion.

League -
Division 1 for every win ; 3 points, Draw 1 point. Winners + 10 points, Runners up +5 Points.
Division 2 for every win ; 2 points, Draw 1 point. Winners + 7 points, Runners up + 3 Points.
Division 3 & 4 for every win ; 2 points. Winners + 5 points, Runners up +2 Points.

Championship -

Round 1 Qualifier victory - 5 points.
Round 2 Qualifier Victory - 8 points.
Round 3 Qualifier Victory - 12 points.
Round 4 Qualifier Victory - 15 points.
1/4 final Victory - 18 points.
Semi Victory - 22 Points.
Final Victory - 25 points.
Draw in final - 10 points extra for both teams.

1st round Province Victory - 3 points
1/4 final Province Victory - 6 points.
1/2 Final Province Victory - 10 points.
Provincal Victory - 15 points.

dont know, that system heavily favours the qualifers, for example, by the time the AI 1/4 finals are played, kerry will have 10 more points than Cork despite Cork winning Munster and probably were perceived to be the better team at that stage. also 2 points for a Div.2 win and the same amount for a Div.4 win isnt relative to the vast gulf in class between those divisions.

Daysha

Here's the table using Homer's system. Make of it what you will...

1. Kerry 129
2. Cork 89
3. Meath 64
4. Tyrone 59
5. Donegal 47
6. Kildare 44
7. Mayo 40
8. Dublin 39
9. Wicklow 34
10. Derry 32
11. Antrim 30
12. Galway 29
13. Sligo 27
14. Down 25
15. Limerick 22
16. Tipperary 20
16. Roscommon 20
18. Monaghan 19
19. Laois 12
19. Cavan 12
21. Leitrim 10
22. Louth 9
22. Longford 9
24. Waterford 8
25. Westmeath 6
25. Fermanagh 6
25. Wexford 6
25. Offaly 6
25. Clare 6
25. Carlow 6
31. London 4
32. New York 0
32. Kilkenny 0

Tbh, there's far too many points going for a team on a decent qualifiying run. I think we can all say Donegal were not the 5th best team this year. And we Meath really the best team in the country not to make it to an All-Ireland final?

Also, even though Dublin beat Kildare in the Leinster final and both got knocked out in the QFs of the All-Ireland, Kildare end up 2 places above them. Kildare didn't even get promoted from division 2 this year yet they're 6th in the table, just because they were drawn against Wicklow in the qualifiers. And because of that victory, they gained just as many points as any of the other provincial winners got when they won their respective final.

That in itself shouldn't be the case imo.

patmac

homerjay2005 wrote: »

fari play for totting it all up, BUT

Limerick deserve to be higher. for example.

patmac wrote: »

Only so many hours in the day. I bet Limerick wouldn't be any higher only 2 championship wins and relegated from Division 3. Harsh as it may seem but Limerick only beat Tipp and Clare after all.

Daysha wrote: »

Here's the table using Homer's system. Make of it what you will...


15. Limerick 22
.

Ahem

K-9

The 2 methods seem tough on the likes of Wexford, Fermanagh and Armagh.

The Indo did a piece yesterday:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/market-leaders-1893452.html

Probably not too far away.