Zombies vs....

DakotaYoda

So.... hypothetically, of course, please pay no mind to the laboratory in my basement:D, assume the zombies are here and ruining all of mankind and YOU have the power to bring about some other kind of supernatural baddie to combat them, ala fight fire with fire.

What do you use?

Lycans?
Demons?
Aliens?
Predators?
Vamps - I hesitate to mention these and I'll ask Micky to immediately delete any refs to Twilight or the HBO vamp series:mad::mad::mad:
Or.... what else can ya think of??

State your case and proof as your why your idea works best. Also - you may want to have some idea of how mankind now deals with the new threat you've created but that is not a necessity for the sake of this exercise.

Kess73

Godzilla

They can't bite through his hide, he can walk on them, fry them with his flame/radioactive breath.


If you can put the Aliens and predators on your list, then I can go sci fi too. :P


If not the big G, then I will use the aliens.

Three words.

Acid for blood.

Kromdar

zombies vs gordon freeman. that would be a short one.

zombies vs aliens sounds good.

some inter-zombie ones would be good, like zombies v The Flood

or zombies v the chinese - strength in number has always been the advantage for the zombie, but what if that was no longer an applicable advantage?!

Kess73

Kromdar wrote: »

zombies vs gordon freeman. that would be a short one.

zombies vs aliens sounds good.

some inter-zombie ones would be good, like zombies v The Flood

or zombies v the chinese - strength in number has always been the advantage for the zombie, but what if that was no longer an applicable advantage?!

They would soon make sure that they had the numerical advantage.

Micky Dolenz

Very interesting. Firstly we would need to establish Zed strenghts.

As already pointed out, they operate in numbers, huge numbers that attract more to the horde.

They're most dangerous strenght as discussed here recently, is that they will never give up, you can't outwait a Z horde, don't even think about it unless you have a very very long term strategy.

A Zed on it's own is easy peesy, A compentent human would have no fear. Any other supernatural being would have no problems,. Add Numbers and it becomes a problem.

Could a vamp or demon take 10 zeds, probably. Could a strong, full grown Lycan slay 50 Zeds? I would think so. Any battle ready, quick thinking creature could handle a small to medium horde.

So to make it fair I propose we have a ratio of 125 to 1 in favour of the Zed.

Possible scenario: You are faced with a horde of 1000 Zeds, you can have pick 8 of anyone family of super natural beings.


The hardest part of your question is , what would we do if we "won" , how would we control our victors. We must pick wisely, our chosen ones must have weaknesses we can exploit.

Kess73

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Very interesting. Firstly we would need to establish Zed strenghts.

As already pointed out, they operate in numbers, huge numbers that attract more to the horde.

They're most dangerous strenght as discussed here recently, is that they will never give up, you can't outwait a Z horde, don't even think about it unless you have a very very long term strategy.

A Zed on it's own is easy peesy, A compentent human would have no fear. Any other supernatural being would have no problems,. Add Numbers and it becomes a problem.

Could a vamp or demon take 10 zeds, probably. Could a strong, full grown Lycan slay 50 Zeds? I would think so. Any battle ready, quick thinking creature could handle a small to medium horde.

So to make it fair I propose we have a ratio of 125 to 1 in favour of the Zed.

Possible scenario: You are faced with a horde of 1000 Zeds, you can have pick 8 of anyone family of super natural beings.


The hardest part of your question is , what would we do if we "won" , how would we control our victors. We must pick wisely, our chosen ones must have weaknesses we can exploit.

125 zeds against Godzilla?



What about a European Dragon against Zeds. The dragon would have size, strength, the ability to fly, the ability to to create flame, and most importantly, would be intelligent.

I would imagine that a lycan or a vampire similar to the style used in 30 Days Of Night, would have no problem handling small to medium sized groups of Zs.

A full sized lycan with room to manouver would be able to incapicitate a huge number and then be able to crush skulls when all are unable to move. It would be a different story if it was an enclosed space with one entrance/exit and a horde of Zs pouring in, not allowing the Lycan room to fight and didge.

I'm not actually sure if the Zs would go after a lycan if he/she was in their more hirsute mode.



Interesting that people are picking up on the fact that the Zs lack of intelligence could also be their greatest strength (well along with numerical advantage) as that was something that was played upon in the more recent (2009) editions of The Walking Dead as well as in the Morningstar plaque trilogy.

Kiith

Before we could talk about how various creatures would do against Zombies, i think we'd need to point out what type of Zombies we are talking about. Are we talking Shamblers or Sprinters? Cause its a totally different argument depending on which one.

For me, Zombies are and always will be, the old school, World War Z type (i.e. shamblers). I'll post a few possible fights later, once i get bored of working :P

DakotaYoda

I concur Kiith - and since I started the thread - we are talking about the classic, real Z - slow moving shamblers.

_SONIC_

clearly werewolves!!!

i would make around 20 of them!

they could rip millions of zombies to shreds and would finally be killed!
this is good as if we built loads of werewolves they would destroy the zombies but then wed have a new threat on our hands

DakotaYoda

_SONIC_ wrote: »

clearly werewolves!!!

i would make around 20 of them!

they could rip millions of zombies to shreds and would finally be killed!
this is good as if we built loads of werewolves they would destroy the zombies but then wed have a new threat on our hands

BUT.... and this goes for anything. Once a zombie bites either a Werewolf or even Godzilla - do we have zombie versions of these things to contend with??? That's a bit scary.....

_SONIC_

DakotaYoda wrote: »

BUT.... and this goes for anything. Once a zombie bites either a Werewolf or even Godzilla - do we have zombie versions of these things to contend with??? That's a bit scary.....

good point, i never thought of that!

but once the z-wolf is bitten it will take down z's and werewolves!!!

until all werewolves are z-wolves then were proper screwed!!

Kess73

DakotaYoda wrote: »

BUT.... and this goes for anything. Once a zombie bites either a Werewolf or even Godzilla - do we have zombie versions of these things to contend with??? That's a bit scary.....

A zombie or zombies could not bite through Godzilla's hide. His skin can withstand underwater pressure that would crush submarines, and can withstand most coventional weaponary up to artillery strength, so human teeth will not be getting through.


As for a zombie biting a werewolf...that could be interesting. But I have a suspician that if a werewolf died whilst infected, it would become the walking dead in it's human form. I am open to correction but don't lycan tend to revert to their human form when killed?

If that is true, then it would simply become another normal strength Z when dead, but able to wipe out a huge number of Zs when alive.

Micky Dolenz

Interesting points, There is no way a human or Zed could bite an open wound into Godzilla. But what would happen if Godzilla nicked a toe while he was smashing up 100's of Zeds. One gaint Zed me thinks.

Also, if Godzilla was successfull at neutralizing the Zed threat, how would we cope with Godzilla, normal or Zombie form?

Dragons are a great weapon,very very low chance of being infected,unless they crash, but same thing applies, how do we deal with our new overlords?

My money is on a Vamp army, they won't be infected by virus, as they are dead already. no blood stream = no virus. Once they eliminate the Zed threat, we hunt them by day and hide by night.

Kess73

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Interesting points, There is no way a human or Zed could bite an open wound into Godzilla. But what would happen if Godzilla nicked a toe while he was smashing up 100's of Zeds. One gaint Zed me thinks.

Also, if Godzilla was successfull at neutralizing the Zed threat, how would we cope with Godzilla, normal or Zombie form?

Dragons are a great weapon,very very low chance of being infected,unless they crash, but same thing applies, how do we deal with our new overlords?

My money is on a Vamp army, they won't be infected by virus, as they are dead already. no blood stream = no virus. Once they eliminate the Zed threat, we hunt them by day and hide by night.

Another way to look at that is they hunt us by night, and hide by day.



As for big 'Zilla, somehow I don't see a hide that has withstood direct hits from asteroids breaking open if he stubs a toe. But on the off chance you are right, his flesh and blood are highly radioactive, so an open wound would be lethal to human flesh.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Godzilla

DakotaYoda

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Interesting points, There is no way a human or Zed could bite an open wound into Godzilla. But what would happen if Godzilla nicked a toe while he was smashing up 100's of Zeds. One gaint Zed me thinks.

Also, if Godzilla was successfull at neutralizing the Zed threat, how would we cope with Godzilla, normal or Zombie form?

Dragons are a great weapon,very very low chance of being infected,unless they crash, but same thing applies, how do we deal with our new overlords?

My money is on a Vamp army, they won't be infected by virus, as they are dead already. no blood stream = no virus. Once they eliminate the Zed threat, we hunt them by day and hide by night.

Yeah - the vamps would have a vested interest in preserving mankind since we're their main source of food. I could possibly see a treaty being worked out.

But - can you REALLY ever trust a bloodsucker?

3nero

why not fight zombies with zombies and get dr.Frankenstien in to make a few monsters, there should be a good supply of body parts near by.

DakotaYoda

3nero wrote: »

why not fight zombies with zombies and get dr.Frankenstien in to make a few monsters, there should be a good supply of body parts near by.

Not a bad idea - and whilst sewing up new monsters the mad doctor could include huge packs of C4 or whatever other explosives are readily available with a remote detonator. BAM - built in threat control after they demolish the zombie hordes.

I LIKE it!! Good idea 3nero!

thebouldwhacker

Simple, the invisible man. he can just stroll about taken them out one ata time... only trouble is if he accidentally gets infected... now that would cause trouble.

I can see it now, attack of the invisible zombie!

Imagine if through some mad quirk of science his invisibility was passed on too, armies of invisible zombies!! Holy god! there could be invisible zombies already eating their way around the world! you wouldn't know about them until you get attacked but by then its too late!!! Sweet jebus, who will save us from the hordes of invisible zombies!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Rascal77

Robots?I think a few reprogrammed Terminators would make short work of the zombie horde.

Micky Dolenz

Rascal77 wrote: »

Robots?I think a few reprogrammed Terminators would make short work of the zombie horde.

Thats a great idea, I wonder, though, what would happen to the outter skin of the Terminator (oringinal) if it were to be infected?. stripping the T of human skin would be the answer. then there is low chance they can carry virus.

We could tie this into another idea here, pack them full of C4, when mission is complete, push the button and bye bye T's.

Ok, Who knows where we can get our hands on a few Terminators? :P

cyberwolf77

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Thats a great idea, I wonder, though, what would happen to the outter skin of the Terminator (oringinal) if it were to be infected?. stripping the T of human skin would be the answer. then there is low chance they can carry virus.

We could tie this into another idea here, pack them full of C4, when mission is complete, push the button and bye bye T's.

Ok, Who knows where we can get our hands on a few Terminators? :P

No, but I can turn those little robot vacuum cleaners into mobile mines with impact fuses. bear in mind also a lycan wouldn't necessarily wade into the zeds hand to hand. More than likely they would use weapons as a primary assault then go hairy when they run out of ammo.

zero19

My dream team to fight z's are:

Ichi the killer.
Mary Harney. (Z Bait)
Pikachu.

Job done.

Micky Dolenz

It's dusk, the horde have just broken into a large museum,they stand in a huge veiwing area, they eat the caretaker and mill around. A fully grown experianced Vampire is awakening from his slumber in the bowls of the museum's basement. He makes his way to the main area as he enters the door shuts behind him. There are 150 + Zeds between him and feeding. The only way out is through the horde, he decides to skirt around the undead but they attack. He must stand and fight.

So who wins?











VERSUS

trustno1

I reckon Daleks.. unlike Terminators - they can hover (thanks to their upgrade in the new Dr Who series) and you can just let them off to go around and 'Exterminate' every Z in site!.. your only problem would be trying to round them up after they have the job done..

pandemonium

I reckon a genie
completely obedient and under your control
no hassle with controlling hordes of supernatural beings once the deed is done
you could wish for an antidote and/or that every zombie is killed, quelling the threat with little or no damage to our team

case closed and i'm tired

consider it