Why are recruitment companies worried about sending your CV to a company

brendansmith

If another company has already sent it?

I cant get my head around it

seanybiker

just wanna be seen to do their job. How do they no that someone sent it already or not.

spartan1

they are staying in control

mickoneill30

brendansmith wrote: »

If another company has already sent it?

I cant get my head around it

Only the first one gets money if you get the job. If 2 or 3 send in CVs and you get the job then they'll be contacting the company for money.

Edit: Removed paragraph here because it was OT and confusing some people. :rolleyes:

Nody

Also some companies have as policy to automatically reject any CV that comes in from two or more locations due to the above post reason as well but it all comes down to the comission.

brendansmith

Jesus, what a rediculous system.

mickoneill30

brendansmith wrote: »

Jesus, what a rediculous system.

Why? In what possible way do you think it's beneficial for a company to receive your CV from multiple recruitment agencies. If one company has sent your CV in, why would another company sending one in help your case at all.

Who do you think pays the recruitment agencies? They're not doing their job for free. If you get the same CV from multiple agencies how do you prove which guy gave you a CV first.

amen

We had to pay them

no you didn't. You didn't ask for the CV.

What were they going to do? bring you to correct over unsoliciated cvs?

mickoneill30

amen wrote: »

no you didn't. You didn't ask for the CV.

What were they going to do? bring you to correct over unsoliciated cvs?

Sorry to disagree with you there. We had a contract with them, which we cancelled after that.
Obviously you'd know better, not having anything to do with either company.

herya

mickoneill30 wrote: »

We had a contract with them, which we cancelled after that.

How was it spamming then, if you had a contract i.e. you agreed to accept their CVs? Spamming = sending unsolicited CVs.

coolabula

brendansmith wrote: »

If another company has already sent it?

I cant get my head around it

recruitment agencies are just sales people, they are selling prospective employees to companies, for commission.

if multiple agencies are sending in the same CV's payment gets very messy. You are in your rights to sign up to several agencies but just let them know which ones you are with.

mickoneill30

herya wrote: »

How was it spamming then, if you had a contract i.e. you agreed to accept their CVs? Spamming = sending unsolicited CVs.

FFS I'm sorry I replied. I put in a bit of detail to outline why it's bad to send multiple CVs to companies and I get this crap. I can write a page essay with all the details to clarify it all. But that's got nothing to do with this thread.

the_syco

herya wrote: »

How was it spamming then, if you had a contract i.e. you agreed to accept their CVs? Spamming = sending unsolicited CVs.

If the (a) agency have a contract to, say, get database people, and another (b) agency to get customer service people, as the two different agencies specialise in the two areas.

Now, the company goes looking for customer service people, from (b) agency. (a) agency see's this, and throws 300 CV's at the company. As (a) agency doesn't customer service people usually, a lot of the candidates are useless, sot the company ignores them all (why bother look at them, when the (b) agency will actually pick only people who meet the criteria). The company gets 3 CV's from (b) agency, all meeting the criteria, and picks one.

Now, the person they pick also happens to be one of the 300 people whose CV's (b) company had sent in, so they must also pay (b) company, as (b) company will say that as they gave the CV first, that they should get the money.

This is also the reason why most companies will only deal with one recruitment agency, as in the long run, it's cheaper.

Kaybe

I am a HR Manager and if I engage a recruitment agency, I am engaging them to provide a detailed service, not just bombard me with CVs. I don't need to pay an agency if I want hundreds of CVs... I could just run a small ad and get a gazillion CVs myself. So I expect our preferred agencies to

• Meet with their candidates
• Perform detailed interviews with the candidates
• Screen them for required skills and competencies
• Probe them on their motivation levels and interest levels in the job
• etc etc

Then, when they have met and screened a number of candidates, I expect them to send me in their top 3-5 rated candidates for my review. In other words, I want them to do the first round of interviews, narrowing down the selection for me so that when I go in to do an interview I don't spend 1 hour of my time and 1 hour of the hiring managers time only to get to the end and the candidate to say "Oh - ye're only paying how much? Sorry not interested" ... or "What - this role involves 50% travel - sorry I can't do that " etc etc

If I get the same CV from a couple different agencies, then it appears that at least one agency isn't doing a very thorough job in screening and interivewing their candidates... if they were close to their candidates, they'd know where the candidates had applied to already. Which would indicate that they might be just in the business of throwing CVs at me, rather than performing detailed first round interviews.

The recruitment agencies spend a lot of time and money and effort building and developing relationships with the client companies, and the LAST thing they want is egg on their face. They will get right pissed off if the client come back and say "Ya know that CV you sent in yesterday to me? Well, we interviewed him 2 weeks ago and rejected him... did he not mention it to you?". The recruiter will feel that the client no longer trusts him to do a thorough screening interview, and thus the relationship can be tarnished a little bit. And, at the end of the day, it's the company that is paying that recruiter not the candidate.

Also, an agency will normally ask you to tell them every company you have applied to before they will disclose their client's name to you. Lots of jobs are not advertised, and are given to agencies to source candidates.
However, some candidates think that they have a better chance if they send their CV in directly to the company themselves. So, if a recruiter gets you to list all the places your CV is already gone, and then tells you about a job in Company ABC, you can't turn around then and say "Sorry - I applied there last week". However, if they don't get the list of companies from the candiate, the candidate can very easily say "I applied there myself" and then run off, send the CV and potentially get a job that they would never have known about if the agency hadn't told them about it.

Longwinded answer, but that's a couple of reasons why they don't want to duplicate the CVs!

GER12

Maybe company 1 has concerns about disclosing personal data contained in the CV to company 2 cos of their obligations under Data Amendment Acts re: data holders who compile data, processors who process your data and disclose to third parties in accordance with the provisions laid down on the register. Are they even registered with the Office for Data Protection?

brendansmith

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Why? In what possible way do you think it's beneficial for a company to receive your CV from multiple recruitment agencies. If one company has sent your CV in, why would another company sending one in help your case at all.

Who do you think pays the recruitment agencies? They're not doing their job for free. If you get the same CV from multiple agencies how do you prove which guy gave you a CV first.

Relax!

A person looking for a job is trying to get every possible potential employer a copy of his cv and has multiple recruitment agencies doing so also dosnt need employers rejecting them on the basis of confusion of where payment should go.

mickoneill30

brendansmith wrote: »

Relax!

That post wasn't narky (the other ones might have been, but they weren't to you). I was just asking why you think it's a rediculous system for companies not to want to receive the same CV a few times. In the example from me the company I was working for had thousands of employees. It wasn't practical to just use one recruitment company. The CVs would be reviewed by multiple people. It's a waste of time reviewing the same CV a few times.

brendansmith wrote: »

A person looking for a job is trying to get every possible potential employer a copy of his cv and has multiple recruitment agencies doing so also dosnt need employers rejecting them on the basis of confusion of where payment should go.

I agree with you there. I've done the same whenever I was looking for a job. The recruitment agency asks if you've already sent in your CV to company X. You say yes or no. What's wrong with that? If they don't ask you they're not doing their job and if they ask you and you've already applied to the company then your CV is already being considered. It's no real threat to the candidate. If a recruitment company does send in CVs without checking then it's likely they won't be employed by many companies to do their recruiting for them.

ravendude

Beware there is a well known "agency trick" regarding making a big deal over not wanting to send your CV into multiple companies.

It's common for agencies to ask "We don't want to double up on sending your CV into certain companies, so please let us know to whom your CV has gone and/or who you already interviewed with"

So, you naively tell them the company and possibly the name of the manager at the company which you dealt.
Bingo, they now have a definite lead on getting new business.
So, they'll call up the company, ask for the manager, and tell him they have X people with X years of top experience willing to work for less than you are.

matrim

Kaybe wrote: »

Also, an agency will normally ask you to tell them every company you have applied to before they will disclose their client's name to you. Lots of jobs are not advertised, and are given to agencies to source candidates.
However, some candidates think that they have a better chance if they send their CV in directly to the company themselves. So, if a recruiter gets you to list all the places your CV is already gone, and then tells you about a job in Company ABC, you can't turn around then and say "Sorry - I applied there last week". However, if they don't get the list of companies from the candiate, the candidate can very easily say "I applied there myself" and then run off, send the CV and potentially get a job that they would never have known about if the agency hadn't told them about it.

As stated by ravendude this is sometimes a trick by the recruiter to get names and contacts. Also when I was looking I had probably applied to a few hundred jobs by the time I got one, and it would have taken alot of effort to get a list of them all.

However at the same time, if a recruiter refused to tell me the name of the company, I wouln't let them apply for me until they did. In some instances the recruiter insisted on meeting me before telling me the company name, but for me that was fine.