buck shot/slugs/sabots

s-cogan · 21-09-2009 6:38pm #1

anyone use em????????
just curious of your experiences and even if there used/legal in ireland!!!

EastTyrone · 21-09-2009 6:45pm

use them for foxes good job

Half-cocked · 21-09-2009 6:55pm

Slugs are now restricted, sabots illegal?

Rovi · 21-09-2009 7:07pm

As stated in S.I. No. 21 of 2008:

5. The following ammunition is declared to be restricted ammunition for the purposes of the Act:

<snip>

(b) slug ammunition for shotguns;

(c) accelerator or sabot ammunition;

No mention of buckshot anywhere that I can see.

rowa · 21-09-2009 8:03pm

i did buy a couple of boxes of them (slugs) for the shotgun years ago just out of curiosity . i was always wary of using them and wouldn't like to use them on game , i did eventually shoot them at an old engine and it did make bits of it !

they were commonly available in most gunshops but then seemed to disappear off the market completely about 15 years ago .

on a family farm in west wicklow we used to buy hay from the sons of the farmers were using (illegally) what they called "9 ball" to take deer by lamplight , it was crude shooting , an old single baikel with a very long barrel , they insisted on showing me it and shot it in the yard , madness .

s-cogan · 21-09-2009 8:32pm

EastTyrone wrote: »

use them for foxes good job

you use what exactly for fox?

buck shot is it?

CJhaughey · 21-09-2009 8:43pm

rowa wrote: »

on a family farm in west wicklow we used to buy hay from the sons of the farmers were using (illegally) what they called "9 ball" to take deer by lamplight , it was crude shooting , an old single baikel with a very long barrel , they insisted on showing me it and shot it in the yard , madness .

9 ball sounds like 00 buckshot, 9 shot to the 2 3/4" shell?

EastTyrone · 21-09-2009 9:43pm

s-cogan wrote: »

you use what exactly for fox?

buck shot is it?

slug shot as far as im aware, but i call it both for some reason lol

rowa · 21-09-2009 10:22pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

9 ball sounds like 00 buckshot, 9 shot to the 2 3/4" shell?

that could be it alright , i think the shell held 9 .38" lead balls , i think it would be overkill on any live game .

BornToKill · 21-09-2009 10:33pm

rowa wrote: »

i think it would be overkill on any live game .

Not a whole lot of point in shooting dead game, is there?

CJhaughey · 21-09-2009 10:35pm

rowa wrote: »

that could be it alright , i think the shell held 9 .38" lead balls , i think it would be overkill on any live game .

Depends what kind of game you are using it on... They use this in Bear country loaded slug+buck+slug+buck..... who stands last wins.
Here it is probably overkill on fox and doesn't pattern particularly well either.

Mellor · 22-09-2009 3:04am

Half-cocked wrote: »

Slugs are now restricted, sabots illegal?

Sabots are treated the same as slugs, not illegal, but restricted

rowa wrote: »

that could be it alright , i think the shell held 9 .38" lead balls , i think it would be overkill on any live game .

I wouldn't consider it over kill on deer.

CJhaughey wrote: »

Depends what kind of game you are using it on... They use this in Bear country loaded slug+buck+slug+buck..... who stands last wins.
Here it is probably overkill on fox and doesn't pattern particularly well either.

the original reference was its use on dear. Granted it s not the best for the job on fixes, but it has its place (which is ccross the pond before somebody jumps the gun)

s-cogan · 22-09-2009 3:12pm

s-cogan wrote: »

anyone use em????????
just curious of your experiences and even if there used/legal in ireland!!!

on deer i meant.
apologies should have made it clear

Dusty87 · 22-09-2009 4:13pm

s-cogan wrote: »

on deer i meant.
apologies should have made it clear

Cant use them on deer. Cant shoot deer with a shotgun mate

meathstevie · 22-09-2009 4:39pm

Before deer and boar etc went bullet only on the continent the stuff referred to as "9 shot" was a very popular choice for driven shoots.

CJhaughey · 22-09-2009 4:46pm

meathstevie wrote: »

Before deer and boar etc went bullet only on the continent the stuff referred to as "9 shot" was a very popular choice for driven shoots.

Hence the american term Buckshot.

Dusty87 · 22-09-2009 5:29pm

Sorry, i thought we were talking about nowadays

cavan shooter · 23-09-2009 8:22pm

AAA -
All the way on foxes,
:DBB's ahhh only tickles them

Grizzly 45 · 24-09-2009 11:38am

They will be quite handy for any mysterious black panther like critters that crop up in the newspapers or telly in silly season:P

meathstevie · 24-09-2009 8:03pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They will be quite handy for any mysterious black panther like critters that crop up in the newspapers or telly in silly season:P

Big white hunter in the hills of Donegal..bring it on Bwana Grizzly:D

Grizzly 45 · 24-09-2009 8:25pm

Now,where did I put my video cassette copy of The Ghost and the Darkness??:p:D

Bonzo78 · 10-10-2009 8:51am

Slugs are pretty good up to 50 or 60 yards, after that they won't be accurate enought. They are widely used in eastern european countries. In former Eastern Germany most of the Roe Deer and Wildboars where shot with slugs as rifles were not available to most hunters.
I sometimes use a combined rifle/shotgun and slugs are great for a quick second shot.
I usually use the Rottweil Exact in caliber 16/70, but I have no idea if they are legal in Ireland.

http://www.rottweil-munition.de/en/hunting_shot_cartridges/slug_cartridges.htm?navid=47

deerhunter1 · 10-10-2009 4:39pm

rowa wrote: »

that could be it alright , i think the shell held 9 .38" lead balls , i think it would be overkill on any live game .

Overkill ? --Theres only one kind of dead

eoinkildare · 11-10-2009 12:41pm

i was told before that slugs wreck the barrell. any truth in this?

Bonzo78 · 11-10-2009 1:32pm

Never heard of that. I know people using slugs for 30 or 40 years and the never had any issues with the guns. The only things is that you have to clean the barrels thoroughly as there is a lot of lead in after using slugs.

Grizzly 45 · 11-10-2009 1:44pm

eoinkildare wrote: »

i was told before that slugs wreck the barrell. any truth in this?

None whatsoever..
They are restricted ammo here.But how that works for purchase or possesion,is anyones guess at the moment.
If you have alot of lead in the barrel after using slugs there is somthing wrong with the load methinks.

eoinkildare · 11-10-2009 1:48pm

maybe he was trying to discourage me for some reason!

so what are sabots used for?

Grizzly 45 · 11-10-2009 2:04pm

Sabots are simply smaller calibre bullets sitting on a large powder charge.They can be encased in a seperate plastic cover that seperates once it leaves the guns muzzle and lets the round free.Or it can be a little plastic bit that sits around the base of the bullet that is then planted into the cartridge mouth.
Simply,they are more hard hitting and accurate[depending on whom you speak to]Considering that most modern Western tanks use them as ammo,there must be somthing in the accruacy bit.

foxshooter243 · 11-10-2009 2:26pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

None whatsoever..
They are restricted ammo here.But how that works for purchase or possesion,is anyones guess at the moment.
If you have alot of lead in the barrel after using slugs there is somthing wrong with the load methinks.

leading in the barrel is normally caused by the bullet itself being too hard and not allowing obturation to take place, the hot gases run past the bullet and melt the lead which is then deposited onto the barrel, however it may be the case that the slug could have done with a bit of lubricant in the form of parrafin/beeswax mix and this would solve the problem.This is the case where the leading is evident near the muzzle which is simply a case of the bullet running out of lube.

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