Coir Turn to Abortion and Euthanasia to Scare Ireland into No Vote

Het-Field

Final wave of posters were released this afternoon by Coir.

They refer to the guarantees, and how they wouldnt trust them "on their lives". The "Lives " they are referring to are explicitly outlined with pictures of an OAP, and a foetus.

After admitting to spouting lies about the minimum wage, they have resorted to the last resort scare tactic.

turgon

Link to all Coir posters for those interested in viewing.

What I would really like to know is why Coir are really pushing for a No vote. Im pretty sure some of them realize that the No case they forward is nonsensical, so why are they doing it then.

Jumpy

Coirs posters finally pushed me into the "definite yes" category.

Its almost like they want people to vote yes by spouting the crap they do.
Its like I wont vote for any election where one side are caught out spouting proven lies.

Maybe they are actually on the yes side but they know the Irish arent completely stupid.

ei.sdraob

ah lookit they even fitted in the word "elite" in there

http://www.coircampaign.org/images/LeafletsPosters/poster_6_wages.jpg

BlitzKrieg

*sigh*

what is it about protocol 35 that makes it so impossible for people to simply understand that the EU has no power to bring in abortion?

And we have had that since amsterdam.

free to prosper

On the matter of EUthanasia.
Lets look at a few interesting facts shall we?

FF are members of the Liberal ALDE group.
In 2007 the ALDE group had a conference promoting EUthanasia

In May 2009 the HSE invited over Prof Len Doyal, an advocate of active EUthanasia to give a lecture on the topic of EUthanasia at UCC Hospital.

EUthanasia is legal in a number of EU states including Belgium and Holland.
Has the EU ever done anything to help prevent EUthanasia taking place in these places? No.
The EU has been happy to interfere in states on other issues. So does its silence on the issue of EUthanasia signify approval?
It most certainly does not disapprove of EUthanasia.


http://www.alde.eu/fileadmin/photos/Posters/Euthanasia-5july2007-4web.jpg

references
ALDE EUthanasia conference

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/brian910/Euthanasia-5july2007-4web.jpg


http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/brian910/EUthanasia-HSE-invite.jpg

Dinner

I like the way you capitalise the e and the u in euthanasia.

Says a lot about you.

turgon

free to prosper wrote: »

So does its silence on the issue of EUthanasia signify approval?

It may signal - shock horror - that euthanasia is not an EU competence?

Do you see how utterly hypocritical it is btw to be arguing the EU should not have the power to force you to stop forcing your own opinions on someone else?

dermot_sheehan

Again a low form of political debate.

Noting that some eu member states permit euthanasia does not mean the EU has any power or control in the area or that lisbon gives the EU any competence in the area.

In fact it suggests otherwise, since the EU exists today with different states practicing different policies on this tricky ethical issue.

To suggest otherwise is simply dishonest.

Euro_Kraut

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

*sigh*

what is it about protocol 35 that makes it so impossible for people to simply understand that the EU has no power to bring in abortion?

They understand it perfectly. They just choose to ignore it to further their political agenda.

Jumpy

free to prosper wrote: »

On the matter of EUthanasia.
Lets look at a few interesting facts shall we?

FF are members of the Liberal ALDE group.
In 2007 the ALDE group had a conference promoting EUthanasia

In May 2009 the HSE invited over Prof Len Doyal, an advocate of active EUthanasia to give a lecture on the topic of EUthanasia at UCC Hospital.

EUthanasia is legal in a number of EU states including Belgium and Holland.
Has the EU ever done anything to help prevent EUthanasia taking place in these places? No.
The EU has been happy to interfere in states on other issues. So does its silence on the issue of EUthanasia signify approval?
It most certainly does not disapprove of EUthanasia.


http://www.alde.eu/fileadmin/photos/Posters/Euthanasia-5july2007-4web.jpg

references
ALDE EUthanasia conference

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/brian910/Euthanasia-5july2007-4web.jpg


http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/brian910/EUthanasia-HSE-invite.jpg

Wait a minute... hold up a second let me get this straight. You are pissed off that the EU doesnt force states which have legalised euthanasia to criminalise it? But you dont want to vote yes just in case the EU decides to force Ireland to do something the people dont want?

Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

Rb

It's kind of amusing, those campaining against abortion are in reality the ideal poster boys for it

Euro_Kraut

Jason O'Mahony made a nice observation that that another group are urging a NO vote because the Treaty does not bring in abortion.

A group called “Women Say No to Lisbon – Again” has attacked the Charter of Fundamental Rights attached to the Lisbon treaty for ignoring ”women’s human rights in several areas, including the right to childcare, reproductive and sexual rights…”

Reproductive and sexual rights? What does that mean? The freedom to choose abortion? So now the No campaign are attacking the EU for not legalising abortion as well?

Rud Annamh

Rb wrote: »

It's kind of amusing, those campaining against abortion are in reality the ideal poster boys for it

LOL! Great point!

PomBear

I'm Pro Life and a No Voter and even I find this embarrassing

Phototoxin

I'm also pro-life and while its a factor I think its a bit ott. I cannot of course vote as I live in the UK now but whatcha gonna do

wylo

This crowd could well and truly be Lisbons savior. The damage theyre doing to the no side is unreal.

I think the latest posters prove why Cóir are looking for a No vote, they're convinced it will bring abortion in through the back door. I have my own reasons for wanting to vote No (though if I really think about it I'm probably more undecided than definate no) but I don't like the fact that it would appear I'm siding with these pro-life nutjobs.

turgon

Karsini wrote: »

I don't like the fact that it would appear I'm siding with these pro-life nutjobs.

Exactly. Youve got to ask yourself why the future you intend for Ireland is aligned to that of Coirs.

Firefox10

Karsini wrote: »

I think the latest posters prove why Cóir are looking for a No vote, they're convinced it will bring abortion in through the back door. I have my own reasons for wanting to vote No (though if I really think about it I'm probably more undecided than definate no) but I don't like the fact that it would appear I'm siding with these pro-life nutjobs.

Pro life nutjobs, Sinn Fein, a whole host of socialist loons.....yea a winning side to be sure.:rolleyes:

marco_polo

Not sure that turning around and essentially calling the bishops liars is a great strategy.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0922/breaking34.htm

wylo

turgon wrote: »

Exactly. Youve got to ask yourself why the future you intend for Ireland is aligned to that of Coirs.

kind of jumping the gun there in fairness, just because they both want a no vote doesnt mean "their future is aligned". This is the kinda stuff that puts people off voting yes.