A drill command..

flogen

Hey all,

I'm wondering if someone can help me identify a drill command we use at scouts...

The commands we use seem to be much the same as those used in the Irish army (although we'd only use some of them) but they've been passed on verbally over the years and so there has been a bit of a Chinese whispers effect on them. I'm trying to find out how we should be saying them and what exactly they all mean so we can correct that.

So far, looking here I've identified most of the ones we use (seasáig ar áis, buíonn aire, ar aghaidh máirseáil etc.) and more importantly found out how they should be pronounced (I would have been saying sea-ga-sawve, aright mar seo etc.!) but there's one I can't seem to find and I'm hoping someone here can help.

The command (or noise) we make currently is 'deas curamid/guramid' and the action is to put your right elbow up and face the right (to make space between each person)... the command that follows (where they put their elbow down and look ahead again) is 'Dearcaig Romhaibh', which is on the list above and means 'Eyes Forward', so that bit makes sense.

Does anyone know what 'deas curamid' could be? Obviously the 'deas' is 'right' but the other word is a mystery.

Thanks in advance for your help.

pmg58

Its "ó Dheis-Deasaigh", or "from the right-dress".

The commands aren't exactly pronounced properly in the army either, the Chinese whisper effect I suppose, but they don't seem to be as distorted as your examples are.

ak51535

Its meant to be short arms dress, which is "ó dheas dheasaigh"

me_right_one

Yep, on dheis, dressaigh. From the right, dress

ak51535

haha sorry, posted the same time :P

me_right_one

Ah well. At least we both agree:D

Manic Moran

I had always thought eyes front was 'D'fheacaigh Araigh': Look forwards.

Maybe it's the same as 'Mark time', which I recall as being "Boulaigh Am", which would be a pretty literal translation: Multiple ways of saying the same thing.

NTM

pmg58

Manic Moran wrote: »

I had always thought eyes front was 'D'fheacaigh Araigh': Look forwards.

Maybe it's the same as 'Mark time', which I recall as being "Boulaigh Am", which would be a pretty literal translation: Multiple ways of saying the same thing.

NTM

Dearcaigh Romhaibh doesn't translate exactly as "Eyes Front", but Irsh doesn't generally translate directly to English, a more literal translation might be "view to your front" or "look to your front"...but my Irish isn't great so don't hold me to that.

The word "D'fheacaigh"...doesn't really make sense to me. The D' indicates past tense for a start, I can only assume it was another example of the Chinese Whisper effect.

31charlie

FOOT DRILL &ARMS DRILL COMMANDS

All soldiers are trained in foot and arms drill in Irish, and usually don't give a second thought as to the translations of the various commands. Although Irish is taught throughout primary and secondary education in the Republic, very few recruits or cadets in any of the three services are fully bilingual, less still use Irish as a first language. Irish is the primary language when a body of soldiers is on the square, but in cases where live ammunition is used or where gun drill for live ammunition practice or deployment is being carried out, English commands are used to ensure that the order is fully understood. Examples of this substitution would be - Mounting the guard or artillery gun drill. Because foot and arm drill commands are passed down by word of mouth through training, the Irish commands have become distorted from their original pronunciations. In the same way that has occurred in the British Army (the subject of many parodies with squealing Sergeant Majors), words of command lose their defined pronunciation; examples being Aire (Arra) which often becomes Ahha and Cle (Kley) which is sometimes distorted to Hey or Huy. A list of Irish Commands follows.

Meitheal

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Party
Gasra

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Section
Buíonn

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Platoon
Complacht

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Company
Cathlain

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Battalion
Paráid

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Parade
Rang

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Rank
Aire

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Attention
Seasáig ar Áis

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Stand at Ease
Ar Socracht

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Stand Easy
Le Heathraimh Ó Dheis-Deasaíg

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With Intervals-Right Dress
Ó Dheis-Deasaíg

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Right-Dress
Dearcaig Fó Dheis (Clé)

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Eyes Right (Left)
Dearcaig Romhaibh

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Eyes Front
Ag Iompó

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Turning (precedes the following commands)
Deas Iompaíg

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Right Turn
Clé Iompaíg

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Left Turn
Iompaíg Thart

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About Turn
Leathdeas Iompaíg

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Half Right Turn
Leathchlé Iompaíg

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Half Left Turn
Do Réir Dheis (Clé)

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By the Right (left)
Go Mear Máirseáil

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Quick March
Go Mall Máirseáil

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Slow March
Clúdaíg

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Cover (replace head dress)
Díclúdaíg

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Uncover (remove head dress)
Stad

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Stop
Greadaíg Fuibh

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Mark Time
Ar Aghaidh

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Forward
Dhá Choiscéim Ar Aghaidh Máirseáil

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Two paces forward March
Dhá Choiscéim Ar Ais Máirseáil

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Two paces Backward March
Oscail Na Ranga Máirseáil

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Open Ranks March
Dún Na Ranga Máirseáil

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Close Ranks March
Ar Sodar Máirseáil

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Double March
Luigh Isteach

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Fall In
Luigh Amach

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Fall Out
Scaipig

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Dismissed (Mounting or dismounting the guard)


Chun Mall Chéim Athraigh Go Mall Máirseáil --- Break into Slow Time, Slow March
Chun Mear Chéim Athraigh Go Mear Máirseáil --- Break into Quick Time, Quick March
Ar Dheis(Chlé) --- I Line Teigh On the Right Form a Line
Athraíg Treo Fó Dheis (Chlé) Deas Chasaigh --- Change Direction Right (Left) Right (Left) Wheel
Cúirtéis

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Salute
Ó Dheis, Comhraigh

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From the Right, Number
Socair

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Steady
Mar a Bhí

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As you Were

flogen

Thanks for that everyone.

For most commands I could find the right version easily enough - what we were saying was either a muddled version of the real thing or an anglo-ised pronunciation. For this one it looks like we were way off!

I think I've found them all now - thanks again.

concussion

flogen wrote: »

The command (or noise) we make currently is 'deas curamid/guramid' and the action is to put your right elbow up and face the right (to make space between each person)... the command that follows (where they put their elbow down and look ahead again) is 'Dearcaig Romhaibh', which is on the list above and means 'Eyes Forward', so that bit makes sense.

Does anyone know what 'deas curamid' could be? Obviously the 'deas' is 'right' but the other word is a mystery.

The command 'right-dress' in the DF involves [self edit - I don't know if its published in the public domain. Picky, I know but it is a restricted manual]. What you have described is the right elbow out and head and eyes to the right which is a different movement to 'Ó dheis, deasaigh' and so probably has a different command such as the 'cuaramid/guramid you mention.

Doctor14

concussion wrote: »

The command 'right-dress' in the DF involves [self edit - I don't know if its published in the public domain. Picky, I know but it is a restricted manual]. What you have described is the right elbow out and head and eyes to the right which is a different movement to 'Ó dheis, deasaigh' and so probably has a different command such as the 'cuaramid/guramid you mention.

Concussion - Check the manual. Right Dress is LEFT elbow out, head and eyes to the right. Long arm dressing is RIGHT arm fully extended

concussion

Read my post again. I am well aware of what the right dress is and have chosen not to publish it on an internet forum as the manual is a restricted document.

Morpheus

this guy could be drilling blueshirts after all

Doctor14

concussion wrote: »

Read my post again. I am well aware of what the right dress is and have chosen not to publish it on an internet forum as the manual is a restricted document.

My bad, the brackets made it difficult to read.

I am also fairly sure that the Russian know all our plans now.

It is just I have seen it done wrong so many times that it is rare to hears someone get it right.