Irish Military Intelligence G2

mega man

Anyone any info on these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G2_(Republic_of_Ireland)

Grudaire

mega man wrote: »

Anyone any info on these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G2_(Republic_of_Ireland)

Google lead me back to boards!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055106361

shanehillview

Cliste wrote: »

Google lead me back to boards!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055106361

Couple of things to look at:

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/ireland/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G2_(Republic_of_Ireland)

http://www.espionageinfo.com/Int-Ke/Ireland-Intelligence-and-Security.html

Poccington

The only info you need to know, is what's in the Wiki article.

Manic Moran

So how much does the Directorate differ from the standard -2 shops at Battalion and Brigade level? Are the soldiers eligible to serve in any such section, or is G-2 really just a name that they picked because they couldn't think of anything else, and it's really an entirely different organisation?
Who serves in the Battalion and Brigade -2 shops?

NTM

Poccington

Manic Moran wrote: »

So how much does the Directorate differ from the standard -2 shops at Battalion and Brigade level? Are the soldiers eligible to serve in any such section, or is G-2 really just a name that they picked because they couldn't think of anything else, and it's really an entirely different organisation?
Who serves in the Battalion and Brigade -2 shops?

NTM

NCO's and Officers that have gone on the relevant courses end up serving in the Battalion and Brigade Int/Ops.

As for your question about G2, I don't really have an answer for that. Obviously, G2 differs highly from your regular Brigade and Battalion shops. As a Private, the highest I've ever dealt with has been Brigade... In fact, I can't imagine too many people on the lower steps of seniority have dealt with G2 at all.

Manic Moran

Is there an MI Corps in Ireland? I can't recall.

NTM

Poccington

Manic Moran wrote: »

Is there an MI Corps in Ireland? I can't recall.

NTM

No, there's no Intelligence Corps.

iceage

Wow, really, I find that hard to believe. (Not doubting your info poccington) With Irelands history with Great Britain and the north and so on, I thought that there would have to be some department of MI to at least interpret intel and advise accordingly.

Poccington

iceage wrote: »

Wow, really, I find that hard to believe. (Not doubting your info poccington) With Irelands history with Great Britain and the north and so on, I thought that there would have to be some department of MI to at least interpret intel and advise accordingly.

There's Intelligence Units working within the DF, there's a Directorate of Military Intelligence... But there's just no Intelligence Corps, the way there is an Infantry Corps. If you read some of the above links, you'll see how G2 operates. Then all Brigades and Battalions operate with their own organic Intel/Ops shops.

So in theory an Intelligence Corps exists but the DF prefers to do things backwards.

iceage

Well if it works....

Edit for clarity.

Well if it works....don't fix it. Squaddie logic.

Manic Moran

It's not that daft. S-2 positions at Battalion and Brigade in the US military usually go to the combat arms. I'm hoping that my next posting will be as the Squadron -2.

The majority of the soldiers who work in the -2 shop are M.I. branch, but M.I. officers will usually find themselves commanding M.I. units, not M.I. sections in combat units.

NTM

Irish_Army01

mega man wrote: »

Anyone any info on these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G2_(Republic_of_Ireland)

If they wanted you to know..You'd know...












But they don't..So lets keep it that way shall we;)

mega man

They seem to be doing a pretty good job then

diverdriver

A couple of years ago, I was in a closed and civilianised barracks in Dublin, in the Officers mess. Inside there was clear evidence that the ARW or someone had used it for some form of house clearing or hostage rescue exercise. The walls were spattered with red and blue paint marks and with spent 'simunition' casings and handles from either smoke or stun grenades scattered about. From the amount of hits it was clear a major 'firefight' had taken place at the stairs and each room showed evidence of clearing.

But most interesting of all was a scrap of paper labelled 'exercise' with a bio of a suspected 'terrorist', clearly intended to aid surveillance.

I drew my own conclusions from that. It's not much of a leap to assume the the ARW and G2 may well be connected. It would be logical enough to assume the ARW would be a source of recruitment for G2.

getz

yes ireland has inteligence branches, the irish defence forces military intelligence G2 branch and the guardais special branch C3,who deal with counter intelligence, the comandent is [redacted], and is head of the irish military intellegence in dublin. both rely and work hand in hand with the british intelligence services MI5 and MI6. SVR[ex KGB ] are also known to be very active in ireland, also the USA have the FBI and the DEA have a signicant presence links you may like to look at ,www.intelforum.org .

[Edited by Mod: The C3 chief's name may be open source, but I see no particular reason to advertise]

Irish_Army01

getz wrote: »

yes ireland has inteligence branches, the irish defence forces military intelligence G2 branch and the guardais special branch C3,who deal with counter intelligence, the comandent is xxxxxxxxxx, and is head of the irish military intellegence in dublin. both rely and work hand in hand with the british intelligence services MI5 and MI6. SVR[ex KGB ] are also known to be very active in ireland, also the USA have the FBI and the DEA have a signicant presence links you may like to look at ,www.intelforum.org .

Ever hear of PERSEC/OPSEC?

OS119

Irish_Army01 wrote: »

Ever hear of PERSEC/OPSEC?

ever considered that stuff in the public domain - for good or ill - is already in the hands of those its of most interest to?

do you for one second doubt that every intelligence agency with a passing interest in Ireland knows this stuff already, or that the various IRA's don't?

if everyone else knows it, its not a secret. shouting 'OPSEC' at something doesn't either make it a secret again nor make it worth being one.

one of many things i have discovered about the Irish Military is that there is a tendency to cover a subject in 'OPSEC' in order not to hide its secrets, but to hide the fact that it neither has nor deserves any...

Irish_Army01

OS119 wrote: »

ever considered that stuff in the public domain - for good or ill - is already in the hands of those its of most interest to?

do you for one second doubt that every intelligence agency with a passing interest in Ireland knows this stuff already, or that the various IRA's don't?

if everyone else knows it, its not a secret. shouting 'OPSEC' at something doesn't either make it a secret again nor make it worth being one.

one of many things i have discovered about the Irish Military is that there is a tendency to cover a subject in 'OPSEC' in order not to hide its secrets, but to hide the fact that it neither has nor deserves any...

Posting it on a public board to those that don't know, make it alright?

I seem to remember a certain neighbor of ours underestimating our Int ability during the war of Independence..;)

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diverdriver
A couple of years ago, I was in a closed and civilianised barracks in Dublin, in the Officers mess. Inside there was clear evidence that the ARW or someone had used it for some form of house clearing or hostage rescue exercise.

Was this in the Phoenix Park by any chance?