Lisbon Treaty and been swamped

paulus837

It has been suggested to me if we vote yes to the Lisbon Treaty Turkey will then be allowed to enter into Europe and we would be then Swamped by Muslims, can this be true ?

Dinner

No. Not at all.

Scofflaw

Not even slightly. It's a scare tactic that you can expect to see again and again, but Lisbon makes no difference to Turkish entry to the EU, except possibly by setting the bar a little higher by bringing in things like the Charter of Fundamental Rights.

regards,
Scofflaw

paulus837

Scofflaw wrote: »

Not even slightly. It's a scare tactic that you can expect to see again and again, but Lisbon makes no difference to Turkish entry to the EU, except possibly by setting the bar a little higher by bringing in things like the Charter of Fundamental Rights.

regards,
Scofflaw

So even if we vote yes or no we could we still be swamped

ei.sdraob

paulus837 wrote: »

So even if we vote yes or no we could we still be swamped

No. Not at all.

Riskymove

paulus837 wrote: »

It has been suggested to me if we vote yes to the Lisbon Treaty Turkey will then be allowed to enter into Europe and we would be then Swamped by Muslims, can this be true ?

Turkey could at some point enter the EU, regardless of what happens with Lisbon, but I think would need to be voted on by Member States

as for "swamped by muslims", I think that if Turkey was a MS their citizens would have the right of free travel like everyone else, however, indidiual states could decide policy on working/social welfare etc

Orlee

Check out post of the day - It's a long one but read through to the end. It's pretty informative!


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62143593&postcount=1

K-9

paulus837 wrote: »

So even if we vote yes or no we could we still be swamped

No, Turkey doesn't have anything to do with a Yes or No.

It is no sure thing that they will be let join and even if they did, it is a long time away.

meglome

paulus837 wrote: »

So even if we vote yes or no we could we still be swamped

Not to mention that some EU states would have a major problem with Turkey joining so nothing is certain by any means. And that still assumes that Turkey can clean up their act.

Read the link above though it's a goody.

humanji

paulus837 wrote: »

So even if we vote yes or no we could we still be swamped

There's already plenty of Muslims in Ireland (hint: they don't all look like Bedouin Nomads and fly planes into buildings)

Scofflaw

paulus837 wrote: »

So even if we vote yes or no we could we still be swamped

Well, Turkish accession can happen whether you vote Yes or No. I'd be rather surprised if we get a repeat of the last couple of years out of it, though. For that to happen we'd need all these to be the case:

1. the Irish economy to be booming so much that we'd reached full employment

2. restrictions to be put in place on free movement of Turks after entry

3. Ireland to be the only country to derogate from those restrictions in favour of Turkey

Of those 3 points, number 2 is virtually certain, but the other two are pretty unlikely. Mind you, it's possible that by 2023 (which the Economist magazine reckons is the earliest possible date for Turkish accession even assuming everyone dropped their objections) the Irish economy will be booming again. Who knows?

The Turks are more likely to go to Germany, though.

cordially,
Scofflaw

paulus837

humanji wrote: »

There's already plenty of Muslims in Ireland (hint: they don't all look like Bedouin Nomads and fly planes into buildings)

The last thing I want is some Muslim in a burka with a load of sprogs and a camel in toe walking down O'Connell street it would be so unirish .:D

Euro_Kraut

Scofflaw wrote: »

.........
Of those 3 points, 2 is virtually certain, but the other two are pretty unlikely. ...

There are three type of economists in the world......;)

Toiletroll

Guys wise up. Lisbon allows for more states to join.

Turkey is one of the main contenders which Brussels continue to have accession talks with against the majority of euopeans who are against their accession.

This is fact. So stop dismissing Turkey as a very real possiblity.

Its more possible that Turkey will join the EU than voting yes will create jobs here.

BlitzKrieg

allows for more states to join.

article number please?