Irish Tax not enough for you? Check EU Tax!

Toiletroll

The EU are currently keeping as quiet as possible about the new EU tax proposals until after the Irish Lisbon vote.

But the commission's blueprint could still face tough opposition from national capitals. The move requires unanimous support and EU governments tend to carefully guard their tax competences, including access to their national data in this area.

http://euobserver.com/9/28564

EU political leaders including Merkel, Sarkozy and Barroso are already on record stating they want to raise an EU tax. On top of that, an EU Commission report of 14 July 2004, lists four different options for raising this tax, including a new energy-based tax, a fiscal Vat resource and a resource based on corporate income. Article 311 of Lisbon gives the EU power to unanimously "establish new categories of own resources". The last part of article 311 states the rules on this new tax are to be decided by qualified majority voting – ie, we lose our national veto on its details.



Even the government's own white paper (chapter 10) says: "The treaty allows for the implementing measures, such as how 'own resources' are to be made available and accounted for, to be decided by QMV."



In conclusion, the treaty of Lisbon gives EU institutions power to raise new taxes and to tax you and I

http://www.tribune.ie/news/letters/article/2009/aug/16/lisbon-and-taxation/

So... NAMA will be funded by us and so will the new EU state?

Discuss...

PopeBuckfastXVI

Toiletroll wrote: »

The EU are currently keeping as quiet as possible about the new EU tax proposals until after the Irish Lisbon vote.



http://euobserver.com/9/28564



http://www.tribune.ie/news/letters/article/2009/aug/16/lisbon-and-taxation/

So... NAMA will be funded by us and so will the new EU state?

Discuss...

Read your first quote again.

'In conclusion, the treaty of Lisbon gives EU institutions power to raise new taxes and to tax you and I'

This statement is completely and utterly false.

Sam Vimes

Text of the guarantees

SECTION B: TAXATION
Nothing in the Treaty of Lisbon makes any change of any kind, for any Member State, to the extent or operation of the competence of the European Union in relation to taxation.

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marco_polo

Sam Vimes wrote: »

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Not so fast!

Nice Treaty

Article 269

Without prejudice to other revenue, the budget shall be financed wholly from own resources.

The Council, acting unanimously on a proposal from the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament, shall lay down provisions relating to the system of own resources of the Community, which it shall recommend to the Member States for adoption in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.

Lisbon Treaty

Article 311

(ex Article 269 TEC)

The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.

Without prejudice to other revenue, the budget shall be financed wholly from own resources.

The Council, acting in accordance with a special legislative procedure, shall unanimously and after consulting the European Parliament adopt a decision laying down the provisions relating to the system of own resources of the Union. In this context it may establish new categories of own resources or abolish an existing category. That decision shall not enter into force until it is approved by the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.

The Council, acting by means of regulations in accordance with a special legislative procedure, shall lay down implementing measures for the Union's own resources system in so far as this is provided for in the decision adopted on the basis of the third paragraph. The Council shall act after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

Carry on

Sam Vimes wrote: »

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marco_polo

The last part of article 311 states the rules on this new tax are to be decided by qualified majority voting – ie, we lose our national veto on its details.

I got a good laugh out of this bit, apparently we lose our national veto on the implementing details of a tax that doesn't exist.

Scofflaw

Yes, we've been over this one several times. The EU member states fund the EU. They have - and this should be evident to even the tiniest mind - the power to decide how to fund the EU.

Incredible.

amused,
Scofflaw